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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:17 AM
I love that plane, can't wait till it's flyable. Interesting how it was so overpublisized that British intelligence thought it was in mass production as the He 113. But I heard that pilots complained of high wing loading, could someone elaborate on that? Thanks. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Wow, I really look good on your six. Mind if I stay there?

Crabhart

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:17 AM
I love that plane, can't wait till it's flyable. Interesting how it was so overpublisized that British intelligence thought it was in mass production as the He 113. But I heard that pilots complained of high wing loading, could someone elaborate on that? Thanks. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Wow, I really look good on your six. Mind if I stay there?

Crabhart

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:45 AM
all i know is that 6 prototypes were sold to the Yakolev company resulting in the Yaks looking similer cause he followed the plane layout
it sped up the release of certian Yak types ... ( i will stand corrected when someone who knows more about this than me replies contary )

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:19 AM
Crabhart,

I am also very much looking forward to the He 100D-1. Do not know of much pilot's account. The speed record for single engine piston aircraft was held for a while by the He 100 at 746.61 km/h set in 1938. The D-1 production version had a top speed of 670 Km/h in 1938/39 which was about 100 km/h higher than that of the Emil Bf 109E of 1939-1940 using with the same engine. (inverted V-12 DB601 @1175 HP) In fact, 670 Km/h was not really common for any single engine combat fighter until late in the war. Range was also much better at close to 1000 Km versus 600 Km for the 109.

There is a reproduction He 100D-1 in California in a museum. Gibbage has some pics. Maybe he has access to other info from the museum. Doorgunner & Snorri modelled the He 100D-1 for FB as per Snorri's site, although the problem may be in finding flight data to model the FM @ Maddox. Cockpit has not been worked on as per my understanding.

According to some accounts, the 12 production He 100D-1 were apparently used in the end within the Heinkel Rostock-Marienehe works aircraft factory defence unit flown by Heinkel flight engineers.

The He 100D-1 would make an awesome A/C in FB for early to mid war for sure, although the armement leaves a little to be desired. Somewhat similar to the Bf 109F-4, but the single 20mm cannon of the He 100D-1 had lower rate of fire & slower muzzle velocity (MG FF instead of the Mg 151/20). The MG17 are pretty much innefective as it is in Il-2/FB. Interestingly, on of the late prototypes (V7) had a rather impressive armement of 4 MG 17 & 2 20mm MG/FF for a single engine fighter! (same as the Bf 110)

I also saw some pics of the Fw 187 Falke on Snorri's site. It would be great if the He 100D-1 & the Fw 187 would make it in a "two-pack" add-on for FB!!! Both types (and basically all of the produced A/C) ended up in use by they respective own factory defence forces in the end!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:32 AM
Heinkel 100 would be a real low alt Yak killer, even Yak 3 would be in deep ****....

fluke39
07-22-2003, 09:08 AM
apparently there were many problems with the he100 besides its high wing loading ( although the reason it never went into large production was there was no real need for it)
as well as the six prototypes sent to russia 3 100-D's were apparently set to Japan.

the reason britain thought it was in large production was that goebbels publicised it heavily as being a night fighter (cunning as no-one would ever really see or recognise them by night)

(incidently a have a british publication circa 1943 which a question about the he 113 is asked and th response given is that there is no proof of he113 and they were aware it may not be in use by the germans - i'll try and look it out)

here is a scan from one of my books showing a couple of the propaganda photos

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Message Edited on 07/22/0309:09AM by fluke39

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:11 AM
FireBird77 wrote:
- Heinkel 100 would be a real low alt Yak killer, even
- Yak 3 would be in deep ****....

A 1938 prototype vs. the 1944/45 version of a plane design that had evolved throughout the war based on combat experience? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:10 PM
According to Oleg neither cockpit photos nor its flight envelope are missing. He was willing to include the He-100 if users model it.

Would be great to have an early war fighter alternative (like He-112 as well) that looks quite sleak /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:57 PM
Fluke,

I will have to dissagree with you on the He 100D-1. Although the Heinkel fighter possessed a rather high wing loading and was not a turn & burn fighter, there was no indication that it would have suffered other major afflictions. The evaporative cooling system of the prototypes, which was the source of the main problem with the He 100 was replaced by a conventional regular semi-retractable radiator on the production aircrafts, which resulted in the drop of the max speed from 700 km/h to the still very respectable for 1938/39 speed of 670 km/h. Range was great at close to a 1000 km. The He 100D-1 also posessed a large width landing gear which would have cut down on the landing accident from which the 109 suffered an unusual rate.

Armement of 2 light machine guns & 20mm cannon was rather weak for late war standard, but adequate for 1938/39. This could have easily been addressed as it was with the 109 if the aicraft would have have been produced in quantity for combat purposes.

Weight for the production D-1 was about 200-425 lbs less than the Emil as well, which would have improved power to weight ratio thus acceleration & climb rate.

BTW, I was not aware that Oleg had access to flight data & cockpit reference. I do know that the finished external model has been sitting on Snorri's site for at least 4-6 months however.

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