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Lasham_1
07-22-2004, 02:12 PM
I'm not sure if I am missing the point here and interested in how others see this.

I am delighted to hear that PF is going to be combined with FB but have read comments that FB/PF will have a year or so of glory before BoB comes along and steals it. Now I'm British and really looking forward to a BoB sim but am wondering how BoB is going to stack up against FB/PF.

FB/PF covers all the WW2 theatres, includes all the Allied and Axis air forces, will have 200+ planes, span 1939 thru to 1945 and is basically the business.

BoB I know will have a better engine, modelling, graphics etc etc, but will involve only British and German air forces (plus the odd French and Italian input), a limited number of aircraft types were involved and the time span was just a few months. This is assuming that BoB will be just about BoB.

I imagine we will all play both and that BoB will be a fantastic stand-alone sim but FB/PF will be the one that everyone will always return to because it will soon be the definitive WW2 sim ever. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

I hope I have not given the impression of knocking BoB before it is even released but I see it almost as just one "campaign" - one extremely good campaign - out of the FB/PF's global WW2 coverage. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Lasham_1
07-22-2004, 02:12 PM
I'm not sure if I am missing the point here and interested in how others see this.

I am delighted to hear that PF is going to be combined with FB but have read comments that FB/PF will have a year or so of glory before BoB comes along and steals it. Now I'm British and really looking forward to a BoB sim but am wondering how BoB is going to stack up against FB/PF.

FB/PF covers all the WW2 theatres, includes all the Allied and Axis air forces, will have 200+ planes, span 1939 thru to 1945 and is basically the business.

BoB I know will have a better engine, modelling, graphics etc etc, but will involve only British and German air forces (plus the odd French and Italian input), a limited number of aircraft types were involved and the time span was just a few months. This is assuming that BoB will be just about BoB.

I imagine we will all play both and that BoB will be a fantastic stand-alone sim but FB/PF will be the one that everyone will always return to because it will soon be the definitive WW2 sim ever. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

I hope I have not given the impression of knocking BoB before it is even released but I see it almost as just one "campaign" - one extremely good campaign - out of the FB/PF's global WW2 coverage. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fw-190D-9
07-22-2004, 02:21 PM
BoB will be interesting. It has two ways it can go, it will either be great, or it won't be, but FB and PF will always bed rock solid stables.

Rab03
07-22-2004, 02:41 PM
Yoy've said almost evrything already http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

Can't wait for BoB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.

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John_Stag
07-22-2004, 02:43 PM
I suppose it depends if IL2/FB components can be imported into the BoB engine.

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LEXX_Luthor
07-22-2004, 02:54 PM
Search and you can dig up the old thread from 2001 where Lois_Lane posted... <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>How can Oleg make anything better than IL~2?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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hughlb2
07-22-2004, 02:58 PM
In terms of a simulator BoB will take the crown away from FB/PF for the reasons you have stated and this will be a key drawing card.

But in terms of sales, FB/PF will be a much larger game and therefore possibly appealing to a wider audience (atleast for a while) with more aircraft, more theatres etc. Also many people have more interest in flying American planes or Japanese planes and because of this they may want to stick with FB/PF.

It is still early days though

NegativeGee
07-22-2004, 02:59 PM
BoB will be a "next generation" product, so I imagine its going to offer all sorts of new detail and features that the IL-2 series does not feature.

However, the sheer scope of IL-2 will mean it still has lots to offer in terms of the planeset; I'd be surprised if the BoB and what it evolves into will ever incorporate as much aircraft choice.

(although I'd be happy to be proved wrong!!)

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crazyivan1970
07-22-2004, 03:00 PM
BOB just a start for a new generation. I remember Oleg saying that they "booked" till 2007 and beyond and i also heard Med.... so just like IL2 came long way from ...was it 60+ planes? ... to 200, i`m sure BOB will do the same http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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ucanfly
07-22-2004, 03:02 PM
I cannot see BOB even competing with AEP/PF unless it has a GIANT revolutionary leap in simulation fidelity. Additional cockpit control, authentic pilot views, more realistic coms, and higher fidelity aerodynamic and damage model simulation should be at least as high a priority as more polys and better textures.

Looking forward to seeing what Oleg can do to best himself. It will be a tall order.

LEXX_Luthor
07-22-2004, 03:06 PM
But he is a tall programmer.

Can Oleg build the Best flight sim?

No, he can always build one even Better.

And with Baby Maddox now learning BASIC and by 24 months starting C++ we may be booked for another 50 years.


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Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

bazzaah2
07-22-2004, 03:08 PM
wot ucanfly said.

FB's great and all but hope that FB is that great leap forward we all want it to be.

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BaldieJr
07-22-2004, 03:08 PM
Dont' start the BoB speculation. Slated for 2007 release, there really is no need to worry about it now.

F19_Olli72
07-22-2004, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lasham_1:
This is assuming that BoB will be just about BoB.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BoB wont be 'just' BoB, already theres two very interesting addons in the works. Battle of France and the Polish campaign (hooray for crapplanes! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif ). And IIRC BoB will be just first part of a series...which will include Med theatre later on.... ohboy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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crazyivan1970
07-22-2004, 03:16 PM
I meant booked with projects till 2007 Baldie http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As far as i know BOB still 2005

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Black Sheep
07-22-2004, 03:16 PM
Don't forget that even though FB is an outstanding sim, it still has a few areas that need attention... dive acceleration and high alt flight immediately spring to mind, I'm sure there are one or two others which BoB will correct, along with improving what we already have.

If I were MS I'd just give up, I suspect BoB will truly wipe the floor with their next offering - if they make the attempt and haven't already pulled CFS4.

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LEXX_Luthor
07-22-2004, 03:25 PM
They already pulled 4SFC

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"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Dunkelgrun
07-22-2004, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ucanfly:
I cannot see BOB even competing with AEP/PF unless it has a GIANT revolutionary leap in simulation fidelity. Additional cockpit control, authentic pilot views, more realistic coms, and higher fidelity aerodynamic and damage model simulation should be at least as high a priority as more polys and better textures.

Looking forward to seeing what Oleg can do to best himself. It will be a tall order.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's just what we are hoping for. A giant leap in realism, with a game engine that will last several years and allow the rest of the WW2 scenarios to be developed.
What would be fun is if it could be developed in real time. Start with the Blitzkrieg against Poland with a September 3rd release, Battle of France early the next year, BoB later in the summer, Pacific late in the year after etc etc. Would be interesting eh?
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MPortus_
07-22-2004, 03:50 PM
Easy. You will be blow away by BoB. Have you seen the spit pit? I bet I'm going to faint when I'll see one of the models of the dev updates textured. The terrain surely will be much better. Better FM's, be sure. Better DM (or at least that's what I'm lead to believe seeing the internal modeling of new planes). Maybe better sound...

Get real, IL2 engine is showing his age. The graphics you are seeing now are not much different than orignal IL2, how many years have passed?

I bet BoB is going to be a giant leap. Then you will have to choose between a lot of planes and maps or a high fidelity single map and few planes. Give me BoB please.

BaldieJr
07-22-2004, 03:58 PM
I'm certain I read comments from oleg (or one of the other devs) that claimed that 2007 was the new goal for BoB.

With the level of plane detail we're seeing in the dev shots, we are at least 2 years from seeing video cards that will be able to keep up with BoB.

crazyivan1970
07-22-2004, 04:06 PM
Hmmm, i tought it was regarding Med Baldie, can`t remember now lol

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

MPortus_
07-22-2004, 04:12 PM
Don't think so. Why are they already building the 3D models then? If the target release was 2007 they would still be creating the engine. 2007 looks to far away, remember they have been working on "the next sim" since before FB, when it was announced the upcommming FB (add-on for IL2 Sturmovik at that time), we were already waiting for the next sim. So its been years of developement for BoB.

Just one map to do, not a huge amount of planes to build and a lot of them already built, game engine being developed since maybe 3 years ago, a lot of ground objects already done (for the Battlefield command game)... don't think we are that far of BoB. Oleg said 2005, which seeing Maddox history will be 2006 be sure.

Chivas
07-22-2004, 04:25 PM
IL-2/FB/PF Will have its day in the sun, then the torch will be passed to BOB,MED,PF,etc.

WTE_Ibis
07-22-2004, 04:46 PM
Let's hope for serious sound improvements in BOB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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OldMan____
07-22-2004, 05:31 PM
For me.. no way PF can be anything close to BoB. The ENGINE is the most important stuff now.. so many problems that will be possible to correct!!


And also I dont think Pacific is an interesting theater.

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Freycinet
07-22-2004, 05:45 PM
customers with sucky little P4 3Ghz computers will be staying with AEP-PF. The rest of us will sell our granny to upgrade to BoB...

heywooood
07-22-2004, 05:54 PM
personally - I cant wait to see how BoB compares to AEP/PF...



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