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HangerQueen
04-19-2004, 05:28 AM
Seafire's excellent sig of the SVP Sveno reminded me of a question I've been meaning to ask. I saw a screenshot of this big mother with two I-16s under it's wings. The I-16s were carrying two pretty hefty bombs each. Why not just let the TB3 carry more huge bombs with the I-16s flying escort? Was this an early attempt at stand-off weapons or had the designers been reading too many Marvel comics? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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HangerQueen
04-19-2004, 05:28 AM
Seafire's excellent sig of the SVP Sveno reminded me of a question I've been meaning to ask. I saw a screenshot of this big mother with two I-16s under it's wings. The I-16s were carrying two pretty hefty bombs each. Why not just let the TB3 carry more huge bombs with the I-16s flying escort? Was this an early attempt at stand-off weapons or had the designers been reading too many Marvel comics? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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PlaneEater
04-19-2004, 05:56 AM
The idea was to vastly increase the I16's range, and give the mothership a way to attack targets (via the I16s) that it normally would have no chance of getting to.

Nimble figthers + big bombloads + extended range = nasty combo.

AWL_Spinner
04-19-2004, 05:56 AM
Think of the big bombed I16s as guided weapons.

They couldn't hoist those big bombs aloft on their own, but the TB3 can carry them to above the target and release them. The I16 pilots can fly/controlled glide down to the target, bomb the hell out of it, then with all that weight gone, be able to climb back up to mothership and cover it on the return leg.

Plus the I16s can draw fuel from the TB3 (I believe) on the outbound leg, or cut their engines / have them idling, which greatly extends the range of the fighter escort.

Interesting thought though, imagine the impact if Lancasters could have lofted Spitfires up over Germany in 1942, or B17s carried escorts under-wing before the long range P51D turned up. Or, indeed, if the Germans had a heavy-lift aircraft capable of carrying 109s over the channel. Perhaps a Mistel where the parasite fighter drew fuel from the Ju88. Or did they do that anyways?

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1.JaVA_Razer
04-19-2004, 06:57 AM
I assure you they CAN hoist'm up that high. but the problem is you'll use up a LOT of fuel that way and progress slowly,now you have
-A wider range
-Mothership can carry bombs also
-Escorts on way home

It's a win win situatiuon but it was done for a reasont hat illudes me
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Dmitri9mm
04-19-2004, 07:52 AM
Actually the whole idea of the SVP is a Crimson-skies dream come to life! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
It must've taken some nerve to sit on top of a big bomb underneath the wing of a big, slow hunk of thin aluminum plates, only to await being dropped Dr. Strangelove-style, hurl through thik FLAK weighted down by the bombs, pin-point them at the target from the right altitude to avoid being blown to bits.
Afterwards you have to climb up to the mothership - thus making a clay-pigeon of yourself for the AAA to shoot down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif, and all the way home you have to watch over the mothership as fighter escort.

Had an American pilot done something like that he'd have been given the CMH or something like that, for the VVS pilots it was just another days work! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif
Don't tell me the USAAF pilots won the war. The people with the REAL cahones was in the VVS http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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p1ngu666
04-19-2004, 07:55 AM
was for divebombing, stuka style.
did about 30missions, and one of them was cutting off a bridge near stalingrad. germans wherent happy about that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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Prof.Wizard
04-21-2004, 06:05 AM
It was an excellent idea. I wonder why we hadn't seen anything from the German or British-American sides.

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Breeze147
04-21-2004, 06:18 AM
Had an American pilot done something like that he'd have been given the CMH or something like that, for the VVS pilots it was just another days work! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif
Don't tell me the USAAF pilots won the war. The people with the REAL cahones was in the VVS http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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>"Flatspin", what is that supposed to mean? This aircraft is entirely spin-proof!<[/QUOTE]

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gifAnd you, sir, are a first class **** for making that statement. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif

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Breeze147
04-21-2004, 06:19 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gifSorry, double post.

Willey
04-21-2004, 08:43 AM
The SPB made 270km/h on the deck with I-16s attached. Too bad this isn't featured in FB, I can't get more than 220 out of it, regardless if there are I-16s or not. This would also be an advantage, more speed.

p1ngu666
04-22-2004, 06:58 AM
:O

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JR_Greenhorn
04-22-2004, 09:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
It was an excellent idea. I wonder why we hadn't seen anything from the German or British-American sides.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The Americans had ben experimenting with parasite fighters from the early Thirties to the Fifties. I don't know if the British had any projects like that. Germany had the Mistels and the manned-V-1s (I'd butcher the spelling of R...), but that's all I know of.

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SlickStick
04-22-2004, 11:40 AM
One of the coolest dogfights in FB right now, is two fully hooked SPBs. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I want to run a 6 person server just to have both teams hook up and the TB3 pilot tries to down the other TB3 pilot. The I16s get to shoot at the enemy too and if the TB3 gets damaged, they can detatch and continue until one team or both are dead.

I spent about 8 straight hours playing with the SPB when the AEP came out. I think it's a great addition. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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fire-fox1
04-22-2004, 01:09 PM
can sume one please http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif give any help to people that carnt hukup, like checklists and pics http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

LEXX_Luthor
04-22-2004, 01:48 PM
I only messed with it a few times. If I recall, Set I~16 to target TB~3 on takeoff.

Mostly, I use I~16 SPB for off airfield takeoff cos they start with engines running (normal I~16s can't start engines except on official FB airports).

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p1ngu666
04-22-2004, 02:00 PM
pics like...
http://www.uploadit.org/pingu666/tb3one.jpg

http://www.uploadit.org/pingu666/tb3two.jpg

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/pingu666-spb1.jpg

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FI-Aflak
04-22-2004, 05:20 PM
Those are amazing shots, penguin.

heh. Two of those three planes would be dead if they weren't all linked together! Amazing! I bet they even got an RTB out of that.

p1ngu666
04-22-2004, 05:38 PM
dont think they did http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. bomber droped em, tried to glide bomb enemy base
iirec they coulda got back home with just 1 i16
u can fly tb3 just on 1 engine

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