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Friendly_flyer
08-20-2004, 09:54 AM
Take a closer look at this:

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/200804/Jp_pilot_in_water.jpg

What's that thing poking up over his left shoulder? It looks very much like the handle of a katana to me. I was under the distinct impression that the sidearm of Japanese pilots was the 8mm Nambu pistol (http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/nambu8mm.html)?

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Friendly_flyer
08-20-2004, 09:54 AM
Take a closer look at this:

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/200804/Jp_pilot_in_water.jpg

What's that thing poking up over his left shoulder? It looks very much like the handle of a katana to me. I was under the distinct impression that the sidearm of Japanese pilots was the 8mm Nambu pistol (http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/nambu8mm.html)?

Fly friendly!

Petter Bøckman
Norway

Dunkelgrun
08-20-2004, 10:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
Take a closer look at this:

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/200804/Jp_pilot_in_water.jpg

What's that thing poking up over his left shoulder? It looks very much like the handle of a katana to me. I was under the distinct impression that the sidearm of Japanese pilots was the http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/nambu8mm.html?

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F0_Dark_P
08-20-2004, 10:09 AM
WORD!, no realy they realy had a katana so they could do seppuku or suicide

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Chuck_Older
08-20-2004, 10:33 AM
Wouldn't having a sword on your back not only hit the canopy, but be really, really uncomfortable if you did something like...sit down? Wakizashi might fit on your back like that

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Diablo310th
08-20-2004, 11:04 AM
from what I remember..many pilots carried their samurai swords in the cockpit with them. LOL Although I seriously doubt many wore it on their backs like that when bailing out. Besides.....didn't Japanese pilots disdain chutes as unhonorable?

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BlackShrike
08-20-2004, 12:27 PM
samurai never killed themselves with their katanas. ever that i know of.

Ki_Rin
08-20-2004, 12:33 PM
ONly officers had katanas...

No kamakaze would do seppuku, the whole idea was to do it in the name of the emporor, taking out an ami warship

they didnt use katanas or even wakizashis for seppuku, those were combat weapons; they used a much smaller tanto blade (the name of which eludes me at the moment)...the katana was usually held by a close friend to behead the seppuku-doer at the moment of death

I cant imagine, even given some kamakaze wanted to commit seppuku in the air, how he could do do with a kantana or wakizashi lol

Many kamakazes returned from mission in shame, for lack of tgts; some thought better of the whole idea and tooled around claiming no tgts; some would simply crash into the sea for lack of tgts and unwilling to return for shame

One pilot was denied the "honour" of being a kamakaze because he had a wife and 3 daughters; to fulfill his wish, his wife drowned the daughters and committed seppuku; he was then allowed to become a kamakaze...I dont know if he ever hit a tgt

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Extreme_One
08-20-2004, 12:34 PM
Kamakaze flew without 'chutes but your 'ordinary' pilot wore 'em.

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Weather_Man
08-20-2004, 12:43 PM
lol, I thought it was a snorkel.

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actionhank1786
08-20-2004, 01:28 PM
You guys are all wrong
Katana it's not
It's a portable Kite handle, for when you get lost and bored at sea. The ocean being the fickle mistress it is, it's got high winds and whatnot. You can simply pass the long hours waiting for death's cold grip, by flying a kite...
we all know search and rescue's not gonna come get us, might as well fly a kite...

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LBR_Barkhorn
08-20-2004, 01:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No kamakaze would do seppuku, the whole idea was to do it in the name of the emporor, taking out an ami warship<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is false. Pilots don't volenteered for kamikase squads for the emperor, neither that "samurai" sense of honour. They did ti only for protect their homeland and their families from the incoming enemy forces.

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Friendly_flyer
08-20-2004, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weather_Man:
lol, I thought it was a snorkel.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought for a moment it could be some sort of tube for infalting a float or topping up the life jacket with air, but it looks slightly too elaborate.

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Petter Bøckman
Norway

Ki_Rin
08-20-2004, 03:47 PM
Depends on the unit...in some, the commanding officer would have pilots selected for it, in others, it was volunteers only...many wanted to, but would be denied cuz they had families and such....<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LBR_Barkhorn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No kamakaze would do seppuku, the whole idea was to do it in the name of the emporor, taking out an ami warship<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is false. Pilots don't volenteered for kamikase squads for the emperor, neither that "samurai" sense of honour. They did ti only for protect their homeland and their families from the incoming enemy forces.

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Slick750
08-20-2004, 03:50 PM
I don't like it. It's like when you draw something and then start adding too much.

JG52Uther
08-20-2004, 04:04 PM
Yeah i took it as an inflation device as well!

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LeadSpitter_
08-20-2004, 08:05 PM
I hope we can straf them causing blood clouds in the water or pick them up in flying boats for both sides

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heywooood
08-20-2004, 08:08 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Yeah i took it as an inflation device as well!

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unseen84
08-20-2004, 08:22 PM
About IJN pilots wearing chutes, I remember reading about that in Saburo Sakai's book a few years ago. IIRC, he said that his commanding officer encouraged the pilots to wear chutes, but that it was optional, and most pilots didn't wear them. He, himself didn't wear one because he thought it was uncomfortable and it limited his ability to move in the cockpit. On the occaisions when he did take a chute with him, he used it mostly just as a seat cushion. This was in '42.

And I don't remember him saying anything about having a sword in the cockpit.

[This message was edited by unseen84 on Fri August 20 2004 at 09:23 PM.]

Baltar
08-20-2004, 09:41 PM
I've heard anecdotes here and there claiming that Japanese pilots oftentimes kept a katana in their cockpit. I have a very hard time believing that anyone would carry a katana on their back like that though, *especially* not a pilot. That pilot model is a bit ridiculous in that respect, IMHO. Of course, if there's legit sources saying it should be that way i'll gladly shaddup.

elephant_il2
08-21-2004, 12:42 AM
The debate about japanese pilots and choutes in this particular occasion is with no reason because IMO both pilots are wrong wearing harnesses in the drink. The first thing to get rid of is the harness,since in the water.Am I wrong?

wayno7777
08-21-2004, 12:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by unseen84:
About IJN pilots wearing chutes, I remember reading about that in Saburo Sakai's book a few years ago. IIRC, he said that his commanding officer encouraged the pilots to wear chutes, but that it was optional, and most pilots didn't wear them. He, himself didn't wear one because he thought it was uncomfortable and it limited his ability to move in the cockpit. On the occaisions when he did take a chute with him, he used it mostly just as a seat cushion. This was in '42.

And I don't remember him saying anything about having a sword in the cockpit.

[This message was edited by unseen84 on Fri August 20 2004 at 09:23 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good read on the subject at hand. Name of the book is "Samurai". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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Friendly_flyer
08-21-2004, 04:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elephant_il2:
both pilots are wrong wearing harnesses in the drink. The first thing to get rid of is the harness,since in the water.Am I wrong?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That struck me too. That buckle looks so heavy it would make the pilots tipping forwards, ending up face down in the water. Is that harness for the parachute or to buckle the pilot to the seat? An amnesiac pilot might forget to take of his parachute, but he most certainly will have to get out of his seat straps!

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elephant_il2
08-21-2004, 08:29 AM
It's the harness buckle all right.On the left hand of the pilot is the easy release pin,he pulls it out and the staps are imediatelly released from the buckle and one case it's used is this: pilot in the water!