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SE_Aetos
03-09-2004, 12:47 PM
I am thinking of starting a series of threads to discuss tactics employed by each plane.

This thread will discuss P-38J P-38L Tactics.

It is my goal that everyone gather viable tactics used by each plane and put it in once place, in a thread that is easy to do a search on. I will start other threads on other planes in the near future if this work out well.

Rules of the thread.

1. Lets keep it lean. Only post tactics and keep out small talk or even saying "thanks for the tactics".

2. Only post if you are very knowledgeable about the given plane's tactics.

3. Keep all tactics based on the latest game version. In this case AEP.

4. Grabbing text from other threads on the subject and posting here is fair game. (After all, the goal is to get everything in one place)


Subjects to speak about. These are only some idea and posts are not limited too the following.

1. General Strengths and Weakness.

2. How to do particular maneuvers with a given plane.

3. How to engage a particular enemy aircraft.

4. How to get a particular enemy aircraft off your six.

5. Ground attack.

6. Engine management.

7. How to deal with particular damage to the given aircraft.

and so on...

Thanks for posting and helping the rookies and vets learn about each aircraft. It is my goal to maybe compile the results into a single work doc.

SE_Aetos

SE_Aetos
03-09-2004, 12:47 PM
I am thinking of starting a series of threads to discuss tactics employed by each plane.

This thread will discuss P-38J P-38L Tactics.

It is my goal that everyone gather viable tactics used by each plane and put it in once place, in a thread that is easy to do a search on. I will start other threads on other planes in the near future if this work out well.

Rules of the thread.

1. Lets keep it lean. Only post tactics and keep out small talk or even saying "thanks for the tactics".

2. Only post if you are very knowledgeable about the given plane's tactics.

3. Keep all tactics based on the latest game version. In this case AEP.

4. Grabbing text from other threads on the subject and posting here is fair game. (After all, the goal is to get everything in one place)


Subjects to speak about. These are only some idea and posts are not limited too the following.

1. General Strengths and Weakness.

2. How to do particular maneuvers with a given plane.

3. How to engage a particular enemy aircraft.

4. How to get a particular enemy aircraft off your six.

5. Ground attack.

6. Engine management.

7. How to deal with particular damage to the given aircraft.

and so on...

Thanks for posting and helping the rookies and vets learn about each aircraft. It is my goal to maybe compile the results into a single work doc.

SE_Aetos

BS87
03-09-2004, 01:55 PM
THe other night i had the pleasure of flying with gibbage, who let me on to the fact that it is somtimes helpful to 'pump' the dive brakes on the L, which i have found to be very true.

Zyzbot
03-09-2004, 02:21 PM
Comments from a real P-38 pilot:

http://homepage.eircom.net/~frontacs/WBStored/P38PilotComments.html

BuzzU
03-09-2004, 02:25 PM
I have the dive brake programmed to a real easy button to get to. Basically my finger is on it all the time. I use it as much as the throttle. Once you get used to using it, you can make the P-38 dance all over the sky.

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SlickStick
03-09-2004, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
I have the dive brake programmed to a real easy button to get to. Basically my finger is on it all the time. I use it as much as the throttle. Once you get used to using it, you can make the P-38 dance all over the sky.

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Nothing noobish about exploiting that little bit of unrealistic game physics, eh, Buzz?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I find the air brakes effect akin to the trim effect. You swear you don't use trim to turn harder, but you'll use air brakes?!? hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Welcome to the dark side of competitive flying, Buzz. We have a saying, "Any advantage gained through the game is game."http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Gibbage1
03-09-2004, 02:36 PM
First rule of P-38's. Keep it fast!!! Also have friends.

2nd rule. If you cant keep it fast, throw the flaps out and dance around! They will typically stall before you do.

3rd rule. Fly the L!!! Th dive brakes come in VERY handy in many many many ways.

4th rule. Its a ground pounder that can fight, not a fighter that can ground pound.

That should cover it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif If you keep it fast, the P-38 will stay with damn near anything. Even Ki-84's!!!

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BS87
03-09-2004, 02:46 PM
Only Real p38 Pilots did use the airbrake in turns sometimes, i dont recall of an LA or BF109 drive pulling insane bat turns by instantly applying full trim (like back in the old days). But if this did happens, please prove me wrong.

tsisqua
03-09-2004, 03:24 PM
You can stand the 38 straight up on its tail, then let her just fall over at the top without losing control. Not quite a hammerhead, not quite a loop . . .more of a flip. You can be turned bach at an enemy darn fast . . . surprisingly fast! Especially if the bandit has seen you doing that long, slow, turn in the horizontal plane. I have an .ntrk of a 109 getting surprised by me. It was fatal for the 109, and I didn't have to use the dive brakes to accomplish this. I want to say thanks to WUAF_Hero (I think the squad is correct) for helping me with this. he took the time to help train me, and I am not even in his squad. There are some really good peeps out there.

The one time that I pancaked the plane, it was with dive flaps extended. I had been using them to turn, and forgot to retract them. The loss of E is so dramatic while using the brakes, that it is best to use them sparingly. I now prefer to use the E of the big girl over the dive flaps exploit, but I will use them in a serious pickle.

Two years flying the P-39, and my online kill count made me look like an imbecile. I have had since the release of AEP to play with the Lightning, and I am actually getting kills . . . way more than I did with the P-39. I'm no ace, but don't get in front of my Lightning. It's bad for your airplane.

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SlickStick
03-09-2004, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BS87:
Only Real p38 Pilots did use the airbrake in turns sometimes, i dont recall of an LA or BF109 drive pulling insane bat turns by instantly applying full trim (like back in the old days). But if this did happens, please prove me wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The old bat turn worked in any plane and was fixed with slower trim, to an extent. Trim still effects turning, but with the slowness of it, it doesn't allow the instant change from full positive to full negative deflection in one millisecond, that it used to.

The Air Brake in the P38 should not provide as much lift as it does and with it engaged, combined with flaps and trim, you can float that bird in ways real pilots can only dream of.

However, all planes in AEP can be thrown around unrealistically, some more than others, so I guess it's just a matter of accepting game on game's terms and formulate your defense based on the available offense.;0

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tsisqua
03-09-2004, 11:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
4th rule. Its a ground pounder that can fight, not a fighter that can ground pound.Gib<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought that the "P" stood for pursuit. Wasn't pursuit the founding role of this bird? That meant that she had to be a fighter . . . a good one.

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J30Vader
03-10-2004, 12:09 AM
It does.

BuzzU
03-10-2004, 12:12 AM
Slick,

Nice try slick, but I don't fly online. If I decide to try it again, i'll be in the P-51 full time. Got anything else?

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BfHeFwMe
03-10-2004, 12:17 AM
Pick one boom and ignore the rest of the plane, hammer into that engine and boom with concentrated fire, it will burn or detatch. If you spread your fire he'll have a good chance to escape. The part right where the radiator cowl sits is most vulnerable. Hits to the lower engine cowl will start a nice fire.

Pick the one who isn't fighting with a wingman, solo acts are frosting on the cake. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif