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Cdn.401GATOR
09-12-2004, 08:50 AM
The problem with the trigger button not working with the Microsoft Force Feedback 2 (MSFF2) is a common one..

I have fixed several for myself (I own 4 MSFF2 sticks) and for friends in my squadron.

Of all I have fixed I have found the same recurring problem.

The tactile switch used for the trigger button is always in perfect working order.

But what has happened is that either one or both of the pins which are soldered to the small printed circuit card have become detached from the printed circuit card..

Sometimes its just the solder joint that has fractured and just a reheating of the solder joint melts the solder again refusing it..

Most often however the solder joint is good but the entire feed thru and pad have fractured off of the rest of the printed circuit card (which is made of fiberglass)..

A good analogy is to think of a tree that has been toppled over in a hurricane. Sometimes the roots of the tree are so strong they also bring up the entire ground around the circumfrence of the base of the tree and you see the grass and dirt at a right angle to ground..


This can still be somewhat easily fixed by scratching off the thin layer of fiberglass (use an exacto knife) masking over the printed circuit traces so as to expose the copper on the circuit card and on the small piece of circuit card that is still attached to the solder pin of the tactile switch.

Then one applies solder over the exposed copper while holding the two pieces together and you can essentially "glue" the button on again using a thick layer of solder..

I've tried it on three or four sticks and its solved the problem for good..

Hope this is of help to you all with the trigger issue..

If you have any more questions you can e-mail me at carlos@video-monitoring.com

The hardest part in all of this repair is not taking apart the stick handle, not the soldering or the scratching off of the mask with the exacto knife but the putting back of the stick together.. This is the part that must be approached with great care..

A few tips here.. Buttons three and four must be left out until the end.. After you have reassembled the stick you can pop them back in.

If you are mechanically minded and have delicate hands you should be able to put it back together in one piece.

Just pay careful attention to it as you dissassemble noting how its put together..

Good Luck!


GATOR
Wing Commander
Engineering Officer
401st RCAF

Cdn.401GATOR
09-12-2004, 08:50 AM
The problem with the trigger button not working with the Microsoft Force Feedback 2 (MSFF2) is a common one..

I have fixed several for myself (I own 4 MSFF2 sticks) and for friends in my squadron.

Of all I have fixed I have found the same recurring problem.

The tactile switch used for the trigger button is always in perfect working order.

But what has happened is that either one or both of the pins which are soldered to the small printed circuit card have become detached from the printed circuit card..

Sometimes its just the solder joint that has fractured and just a reheating of the solder joint melts the solder again refusing it..

Most often however the solder joint is good but the entire feed thru and pad have fractured off of the rest of the printed circuit card (which is made of fiberglass)..

A good analogy is to think of a tree that has been toppled over in a hurricane. Sometimes the roots of the tree are so strong they also bring up the entire ground around the circumfrence of the base of the tree and you see the grass and dirt at a right angle to ground..


This can still be somewhat easily fixed by scratching off the thin layer of fiberglass (use an exacto knife) masking over the printed circuit traces so as to expose the copper on the circuit card and on the small piece of circuit card that is still attached to the solder pin of the tactile switch.

Then one applies solder over the exposed copper while holding the two pieces together and you can essentially "glue" the button on again using a thick layer of solder..

I've tried it on three or four sticks and its solved the problem for good..

Hope this is of help to you all with the trigger issue..

If you have any more questions you can e-mail me at carlos@video-monitoring.com

The hardest part in all of this repair is not taking apart the stick handle, not the soldering or the scratching off of the mask with the exacto knife but the putting back of the stick together.. This is the part that must be approached with great care..

A few tips here.. Buttons three and four must be left out until the end.. After you have reassembled the stick you can pop them back in.

If you are mechanically minded and have delicate hands you should be able to put it back together in one piece.

Just pay careful attention to it as you dissassemble noting how its put together..

Good Luck!


GATOR
Wing Commander
Engineering Officer
401st RCAF

Capt.England
09-13-2004, 02:50 PM
Thanks for the info m8. I will save this page for future reference.

Britwhiner No.1

artjunky
09-13-2004, 09:14 PM
Where were you about 6 months ago. Since then I have cannibalized my joystick trying to fix it. Thought the problem was in the trigger itself but now I know better. Well, now I have a logitec force feedback that is actually pretty good.

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WTE_Galway
09-13-2004, 09:50 PM
simiiar proble happens with the brake action on Ch pro pedals though in that case its a fine wire that snags and snaps .. but once again the reapir is easy its the reassembly that can be tricky

pacettid
09-14-2004, 05:16 AM
Lol, have repaired that small wire in the CH Pro Pedals twice...easy reapir, pain in the a** reassembly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

All the best, Don