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swambast
04-16-2004, 09:37 AM
Hi, and thanks for reading!

I just can't resist the temptation to learn more about Forgotten Battles and the Aces Expansion Pack. I am most interested in the European air war, and especially enjoy the European terrain/scenery. Even though I own IL-2, I never really could get immersed fighting on the Eastern front. I am an avid flyer of the P51-B, P51-D and the P-38. I like to fly escort to the B17, B26 and other heavy american bombers, and also love a quick scramble to intercept heavy German bombers enroute.

1. Will FB+AEP allow me to do all this described above?
2. Just a best guess, how do you think my system will run FB+AEP? Particularly, what about my "old" graphics (a GeForce 4 Ti4600)?

System Specs:
Homegrown MSI 865PE Neo 2, P4 2.8 Ghz/800Mhz FSB, 1GB PC3200 400Mhz Ram, 36GB 10,000 RPM WD Raptor/120GB Maxtor ATA133, GeForce4 Ti4600 w/45.23a Omega drivers, DirectX 9.0b, WinXP Pro, SoundBlaster Audigy 2 with 6.1 speakers, CH Products Flight Sim Yoke USB, CH Products Pro Rudder Pedals

3. Are you aware of any developments/works-in-progress specifically related to the European theatre (to include new planes, terrains, targets, scenery, etc.?)

I thank you in advance for taking the time to read this, and for offering me your insight! I really am intrigued...

Steve

swambast
04-16-2004, 09:37 AM
Hi, and thanks for reading!

I just can't resist the temptation to learn more about Forgotten Battles and the Aces Expansion Pack. I am most interested in the European air war, and especially enjoy the European terrain/scenery. Even though I own IL-2, I never really could get immersed fighting on the Eastern front. I am an avid flyer of the P51-B, P51-D and the P-38. I like to fly escort to the B17, B26 and other heavy american bombers, and also love a quick scramble to intercept heavy German bombers enroute.

1. Will FB+AEP allow me to do all this described above?
2. Just a best guess, how do you think my system will run FB+AEP? Particularly, what about my "old" graphics (a GeForce 4 Ti4600)?

System Specs:
Homegrown MSI 865PE Neo 2, P4 2.8 Ghz/800Mhz FSB, 1GB PC3200 400Mhz Ram, 36GB 10,000 RPM WD Raptor/120GB Maxtor ATA133, GeForce4 Ti4600 w/45.23a Omega drivers, DirectX 9.0b, WinXP Pro, SoundBlaster Audigy 2 with 6.1 speakers, CH Products Flight Sim Yoke USB, CH Products Pro Rudder Pedals

3. Are you aware of any developments/works-in-progress specifically related to the European theatre (to include new planes, terrains, targets, scenery, etc.?)

I thank you in advance for taking the time to read this, and for offering me your insight! I really am intrigued...

Steve

IV|JG51Flatspin
04-16-2004, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by swambast:
1. Will FB+AEP allow me to do all this described above? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Short answer - Yes. Long answer - you may need to create some missions yourself. There's a free patch coming soon which might have an American or Brit campaign. However, there are folks in the community who have made these campaigns from scratch.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>2. Just a best guess, how do you think my system will run FB+AEP?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your system specs are better than mine all around so I'd say you're good to go. Don't know about the graphics card though - I have no knowledge of nvidia.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>3. Are you aware of any developments/works-in-progress specifically related to the European theatre (to include new planes, terrains, targets, scenery, etc.?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes: free patch coming VERY soon!

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Kasdeya
04-16-2004, 10:03 AM
The heavy American bombers do not have the cockpit modeled yet( don't know if they ever will). That's still up in the air.

As for your system, if you don't want it can you give it to me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

All I can say is what are you waiting for, this is a big step up from IL2. Just look at the planes and maps and missions and etc.....

Cheers,
Kas

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Bearcat99
04-16-2004, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by swambast:
Hi, and thanks for reading!

I just can't resist the temptation to learn more about Forgotten Battles and the Aces Expansion Pack. I am most interested in the European air war, and especially enjoy the European terrain/scenery. Even though I own IL-2, I never really could get immersed fighting on the Eastern front. I am an avid flyer of the P51-B, P51-D and the P-38. I like to fly escort to the B17, B26 and other heavy american bombers, and also love a quick scramble to intercept heavy German bombers enroute.

1. Will FB+AEP allow me to do all this described above?

In a word YES!! The flight models of the Ponies are pretty good. The P-38 is sweet...complete with seperate engine start and compressability if you dive in too fast (gotta use that airbrake.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) if you are a realism junkie. The K-14 sight on the P-51D 20 works like a charm. The Full Mission Builder is not as intimidating as it may appear to be and the Uber Quisk Mission Generator (UQMG) created by one of our community members and IMO, one of the best if not the best single tool for enhancing the enjoyment of FB for newcomers, makes creating the type of missions you describe simple. It offers FMB complexity with QMB ease. At the moment the only allied bombers we have are the B-17s but the B-25s are coming soon though they are only AI. FB is not like IL2.. IL2 is a classic sim but IMO FB is IL2 on steroids. The FMs are better and the graphics IMO are also better. There are a few more western maps..though no major western maps yet like London or Paris.. we DO have the Normandy coast and the Ardennes. There is also a Pcific Islands map and the A6M Zero and the Ki-84 Frank... and Pacific Fighters (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=628108023) is coming.


2. Just a best guess, how do you think my system will run FB+AEP? Particularly, what about my "old" graphics (a GeForce 4 Ti4600)?

System Specs:
Homegrown MSI 865PE Neo 2, P4 2.8 Ghz/800Mhz FSB, 1GB PC3200 400Mhz Ram, 36GB 10,000 RPM WD Raptor/120GB Maxtor ATA133, GeForce4 Ti4600 w/45.23a Omega drivers, DirectX 9.0b, WinXP Pro, SoundBlaster Audigy 2 with 6.1 speakers, CH Products Flight Sim Yoke USB, CH Products Pro Rudder Pedals

Your system will fly.. even with your older card.

3. Are you aware of any developments/works-in-progress specifically related to the European theatre (to include new planes, terrains, targets, scenery, etc.?)

There is a new desert map expected in the soon to be released patch along with the B-25s, Spit IX and some other planes. There is a pretty varied planeset now though. Pafific Fighters will have carriers, Helcats, Corsairs, Kates....



I thank you in advance for taking the time to read this, and for offering me your insight! I really am intrigued...

Steve<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Be intrigued... be very intrigued... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
This sim is without a doubt the very best WW2 sim on the market.. the planesets and FMs alone make it worth the money..factor in the Dms, graphics, AI, this nut house,the support we get from the developer, and you cant go wrong. Get the Aces GOLD. It has Forgotten Battles and the Aces expansion pack. Install FB then the Aces and you should be ready for the upcoming patch. Check out the Sturmovik Essentials thread at the top of the forum to download the UQMG,comms,Hyperlobby (where most of us fly online) and all around good tips supplied by members of the community. Welcome aboard and good luck!! You wont be disapointed.

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ZG77_Lignite
04-16-2004, 10:27 AM
'Battle Over Europe' may be another product you would be interested in, it adds dynamic campaigns (created by Starshoy, creater of the the FB campaign system) to the 'western' maps, namely Normandy and Ardennes regions. 'Combat Over Europe' is also a third party set of scripted campaigns for the western front. Obviously both of these 'addons' require Forgotten Battles, and I belive both will be (or have been) patched to inlcude Ace Expansion Pack aircraft (P38, Bf110, etc).

Flyable B-25 and Ju88 are expected to be released as free AEP patches sometime in the future (you can bank on it, Oleg backs up his promises, since day 1). Also screenshots of a 'desert' map have circulated, most likely it will be a small online type map.

swambast
04-16-2004, 12:33 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Oh man....thanks a lot everyone!

You guys really got me going now...! What about swapping out the skins on the aircraft - I usually want to leave the gunmetal and prefer olive drab, how can I do that (note: If I'm not a skin maker, I assume I would have to rely on the community or do a variety of skins come standard with the game)? Also, does the terrain really look like Europe?

Thanks Again!

Steve

Monty_Thrud
04-16-2004, 12:48 PM
Oh boy!...are you in for a treat as far as skins go ,check out IL2 Skins (http://www.il2skins.com/?)
I'm like a kid in a sweet shop here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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swambast
04-16-2004, 01:00 PM
OMG - the amount of skins is AMAZING...WHOA! OK, well I only see one problem here - where in the world am I going to find all the time to look through these???? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Can anyone comment on the terrain - does Europe LOOK like Europe??????

UCLANUPE
04-16-2004, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by swambast:
OMG - the amount of skins is AMAZING...WHOA! OK, well I only see one problem here - where in the world am I going to find all the time to look through these???? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Can anyone comment on the terrain - does Europe LOOK like Europe??????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, anytime wasted asking more questions at this point is just time away from
FB/AEP. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Seriously, if you like flight sims then this "IS" the one to have. Get it and thank us for recommending it later. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Kasdeya
04-16-2004, 02:14 PM
Well it does look alot like some pictures I have seen, but not being from there are even traveling to Europe(one day I will), I can't truly comment. There are, however, lots of eyecandy for you in this game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Now go out there and get it... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Quick.

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Bearcat99
04-16-2004, 02:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UCLANUPE:

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power"
Franklin Delano Roosevelt<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif................. Hmmmmmmmm this could also read:

YOU ARE HERE----------&gt; http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Nice quote Red... very nice and so appropriate.

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Maple_Tiger
04-16-2004, 02:31 PM
I would strongly sugest that you buy FB and AEP right now. I also urge not to buy CF3, i did and i wasted 58 bucks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Xiolablu3
04-16-2004, 03:31 PM
Your system is fine for playing FB and AEP.

I have lower sys specs than you and play fine at a mixture of excellent and medium settings for various graphical effects.

My system is AMD 2500+, Radeon 8500, 256mb ram.

Oh and my brother has a GF TI4600 on his comp. It really is a fantastic card, it was the fastest card you could get at one time and can still hold its own in the graphics world 2day. It has the all-important pixel shader for the nice water in FB and is very fast for a oldish card.

swambast
04-16-2004, 09:13 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif OK, OK - I couldn't wait any longer and rushed out after work to pick it up!!! You guys have me totally hyped on this.

I bought the IL2 Forgotten Battles GOLD PACK which includes the Ace Expansion Pack. I am unclear as to which patches I need.

Can you please help me figure this one out? I can't wait to take to the FB skies!

Steve, Out.

cd.jakevas
04-16-2004, 09:19 PM
Install IL2 forgotten battles, and then install Aces Expansion pack, that will bring you up to date with the latest version (2.0). So what are your first impressions of it???

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worr
04-16-2004, 09:26 PM
Shop around when you buy. I got the gold pack brand new for about $26 online. I too had the old Il-2 and this is way out ahead of that one.

Worr, out

swambast
04-17-2004, 10:55 AM
Hi, wanted to share with you my first experience. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I am running the GOLD pack indicating version 2.0, so I assume I do not have to apply any other additional patches.

I took off in a BEAUTIFUL P51 during a single mission for an interception. The graphics are stunning! I descended down to 3000 with my wingman faithfully following me - cool! After flying for 5 minutes and leaving the action above me, things went terribly wrong. For some absolutely unknown reason, the wingman just decided to quickly descend into the ground, where he promptly exploded. Then, after trying to determine what might have happened, I switched over to autopilot. Within one minute, the autopilot flew the aircraft into a hill - mission over. YIKES...!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I still have a couple questions, if you could help me please:

1) How do I choose the "European" terrain???? I only seem to have Russian terrain choices. For Example, when I choose an Instant Mission, I think I only have something like 3 terrain choices (Moscow, Crimea, etc.)

2) How do I get AMERICAN voices with the P51???? For some reason, I always hear Russian chatter and can't figure out how to select American speech...!

3) Geez, the P51 seems overly sensitive to me. I've flown dozens of combat flight sim P51s, but nothing else comes close to how sensitive the P51 is in this sim. Especially while going inverted, the plane wants to instantly go into a spin which doesn't seem right to me at all (IMHO). Maybe I just need more practice, but it sure seems extremely touchy...

Thanks for reading, and for any assistance you may be able to offer!


Steve, Out.

Maple_Tiger
04-17-2004, 12:06 PM
Your right, you do not need any patchss.

Sounds like your in the QMB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When you pick your plane you can choose what country you want. I bleave you can do the same for the friendly aircraft also.

There are only a few terrains in the QMB. ALso the AI are stupid, they will fly right into a mountains lol.

Whe you feel ready to fly online, down load and install HL

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Sounds like your having a blast mate. Have fun.

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swambast
04-17-2004, 07:00 PM
Gosh, sorry, I must be ******ed. I can't seem to ever select the U.S.A. side for anything. What am I doing wrong???

Also, can someone try to help me answer more of the above questions. Thanks again!

[This message was edited by swambast on Sat April 17 2004 at 06:10 PM.]

Mr.Kilroy
04-17-2004, 07:19 PM
Just click the last button to change skins,nations,pilot and so on.http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/404d3a73_13d20/bc/Pics/grab0000.jpg?BCmgdgABheF.xcoC

swambast
04-17-2004, 10:12 PM
Thanks for the reply, but it only lets me ever select German or Russian. Did I somehow not install this thing correctly?

All I want to be able to do is use the Quick Mission Builder. Then, I want to select an AMERICAN P-51 vs. some German 110s. I also want to select the European terrain, and I want to hear the American voices when flying the American plane.

Is this even possible??? I'm either really overlooking something, or maybe I spent my money on a game that doesn't do what I thought it could...???? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

BBB_Hyperion
04-17-2004, 10:26 PM
QMB is very limited. You need to look out for 3rd party software dcg or uqmb they can create campaigns or missions(no links at hand but should be in faq or other resources). There are 1000s of missions around.

When you want special setups you can do your own missions in FMB.

When you are too lazy for this you can buy BoE its features western campaigns its mainly a mission and skin pack for this purpose.

Regards,
Hyperion

Swienhund
04-17-2004, 11:48 PM
G'day

If you want american voices download extreme_one's USAAF campaign folder, it also comes with a great thunderbolt campaign.

You can find this at: http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/

click on search and type in USAAF to find it.
There is also a RAF addon with campaign.

To use USAAF in QMB select your plane as Russian and click the small round button to the right of the aircraft selection. You'll be able to change your country, skin, loudout etc. in this.

Cheers

Swienhund

swambast
04-18-2004, 08:29 PM
Thanks for the replies gents, much appreciated.

BBB_Hyperion, I installed the UberQuick Mission Generator and was very intrigued by it. One problem I immediately see, unless I'm overlooking something:

I cannot select ANY of the new flyable planes available with the ACES expansion pack. This means I cannot use this program to get a flyable P51, but can use it to choose a different terrain. Unfortunately, that's like winning only half the battle...

I guess my feeling overall so far: FRUSTRATED. I really didn't think it would be so hard to get up in an American P51 vs. 110s over a European terrain hearing American pilot voices.

This is getting disappointing, investing all this time into resolving what I thought was a simple request. However, I do want to thank ALL those that took time out to assist me, I appreciate it!

Maybe I should of just stuck with European Air War, or Jane's WW2 Fighters, which had the American fighters and European terrain integrated into the sims right out of the box!

Well, I'm really bummed. Unless there is some solution I'm overlooking, I just don't have hours to invest trying to figure what I thought would be a quick 1 minute mission set-up. Maybe this sim just isn't right for me... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Thanks for all your help again, and if you think there's anything I'm just not getting, please let me know. Otherwise, I think I might be moving on...

Happy Flying to all,
Steve

PapaSmurf630
04-18-2004, 08:51 PM
double post

[This message was edited by PapaSmurf630 on Mon April 19 2004 at 04:43 AM.]

PapaSmurf630
04-18-2004, 08:58 PM
All you need to do is click on the little round button next to the weapon load out bit (The bit where you choose what bombs etc etc you want) on the QMB screen. This takes you to another window that allows you to choose weapon convergence distances, voices, skins etc etc and also countries (depending on whether you chose to be on allies or axis)
If you choose USA as yoru country, your voice will be American by default.

As for the european map thing, download one of the single player missions, there are millions, trust me then go into single missions and play them...
Either that or go into Full Mission Builder and build one from scratch (You shouldnt need to though, and this does suck because you know where everything is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif)
Being disappointed in a game just because it doesnt allow you to jump into a certain theatre at the touch of a button shouldnt put you off, you would be missing out on so much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

However, having said the above, I have somehow managed to get the onlineislands map available through the QMB window (I can select it in the map selection screen) and I'll try and do it again but this time with the dunkirk maps, if I can Ill post here so you can do it from the QMB also

LuftLuver
04-19-2004, 02:35 AM
Whoooaa Stevo,

Calm down a minute. If you're disappointed in the amount of time invested so far trying to set up your scenario, then I will advise you right now this is NOT the sim for you.

Using the P51 as an example, this bird takes a decent amount of time to learn to correctly use in combat. If you go 1 v 1 against some AI 109s, you are likely to get shot down for a few weeks until you begin the learning curve. Online, it will be even worse.

You can put your game up on eBay, or take it up as a hobby and have many hours of fun. You could play offline entirely, or build your skill up and venture into the online world.

There are nightly battles raging at online HyperLobby servers such as 'Warclouds' where P47s, P38s, P51s, Bf109s, FW190s and Bf110s are filling the skies of Normandy, Belgium and other maps. Combat occurs from 100m to beyond 5,000m. Flying against a human piloted late model 109 at 4,000 meters over Normandy provides a rare rush of adrenaline that no other game has given me.

Stick around, it only gets better.

carguy_
04-19-2004, 03:03 AM
Yeah,like LuftLuver said,all you need to do is get online and choose to fly European scenario servers or coops.

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swambast
04-19-2004, 02:41 PM
Guys, thanks for your responses.

PapaSmurf630, I would like to thank you for clarifying the help regarding getting the American voices/insignia - you absolutely solved that one for me! Thanks! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"As for the european map thing, download one of the single player missions, there are millions, trust me then go into single missions and play them...Either that or go into Full Mission Builder and build one from scratch (You shouldnt need to though, and this does suck because you know where everything is )"

Here are my concerns with this:

1) The Aces Expansion Pack clearly states: "3 pristine environments - Ardennes, Normandy, and a special Pacific online-only map." But I never see it mentioned that you CAN'T use these in the Quick Mission Builder. Why you simply cannot take an American P51 dogfight over Normandy, or the Ardennes, or Berlin through the Quick Mission Builder is absolutely beyond me! Just feels deceptive...
2) That's great there are tons of single player missions. But I now have to spend time trolling through netwings searching for "P51 flyable missions." Or, here is my other option, I have to spend time figuring out how to use the Full Mission Builder. Both of these options are time spent away from PLAYING the game!
3) I cannot understand why it is not possible to use the Quick Mission Builder to choose any damn map that is available to you. This just baffles me beyond all belief - it's like this: "Oh, to use ALL the available maps you paid for, please invest several hours not playing the game and instead learn how to use our kick-*** Full Mission Builder."

LuftLuver, you misinterpreted me! I have absolutely no problem spending time flying the P51, as that's actually time spent PLAYING the game. My problem is spending all this time SETTING UP the game to make the environment enjoyable and exciting to me! There is a BIG, BIG difference there (IMHO). BTW, I have played multiplayer dogfights with other sims before, but I'm certainly not going to just jump online without extensive offline practice first! Why do I have to fly online to get "over Normandy?" Why can't I just use the Quick Mission Builder to practice offline dogfighting "over Normandy?"

In summary, perhaps my expectations of this game were too high, and I should have been more skeptical about using IL2FB to simulate the EUROPEAN Air War (see my initial posts above). I will attempt to invest some more time into this, but I guess I'm starting to see my options are dwindling. Thanks again, truly, to all those have answered my questions and offered their help...

james_ander
04-19-2004, 08:33 PM
I have found IL2 to be a very complex game. The quick mission builder is a weak link in the game as it gives you very limited options.

The full mission builder is incredible, because it gives you access and control over every element of the game and is exactly how the makers of the game build the missions that are available to you packaged in the game. It makes the possibilities for missions, campaigns, etc. almost infinite. Unlike other games where you beat all the canned missions because you've played them over and over, you can always create fresh and unique missions so the game almost never gets boring.

That being said, I found the mission builder incredibly complicated to use and the documentation explaining it almost impossible to understand. I spent way too much time figuring out what could be easily explained. It's not that complicated when you get the hang of the basics. I would be pleased to answer you questions and get you started. Missions can be quick and easy or long and complex as it suits you.

Also, planes are very hard to fly in IL2. It took me weeks to figure out what was going on and to even fly competently enough to win a decent dogfight. After almost 4 months of frequent playing, I can hold my own against most planes on average settings. I get discouraged when I can beat a game easily, because I know I will soon lose interest in it.

But if you stick with it and get to a good place on the learning curve with the planes and mission builder, it's the absolute best. It won't get boring and it will still seem real and fresh after months and months of play.

Hope this gives you some perspetive. Good luck.

LuftLuver
04-20-2004, 01:57 AM
Ok Steve,

I just saw you getting frustrated there and wouldn't want you to miss out on the most realistic WW2 air-war sim going.

I will concede that the QMB is lacking, and now that you mention it again, it is queer that you can't just pull down the Normandy map in QMB and get to it. Ask that question in Olegs Ready Room and see what you come up with. I just use QMB for gunnery practice and the landscape is but a blur anyway. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Nice to have you in the community.