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LeadSpitter_
07-28-2004, 06:41 AM
Foss, Drew
Pearl Harbor/Wake Island conspiracy theory

http://wwiihistoryclass.com/video/251_S1.wmv

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LeadSpitter_
07-28-2004, 06:41 AM
Foss, Drew
Pearl Harbor/Wake Island conspiracy theory

http://wwiihistoryclass.com/video/251_S1.wmv

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CHDT
07-28-2004, 06:48 AM
Very interesting, thanks.

Any links to this subject?

What do you think about it? Possible?

Athosd
07-28-2004, 07:22 AM
Intesting - though I don't see it supporting the conspiracy theories. Oh - I forgot, everything ends up supporting conspiracy theories http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Orders not to fire at attacking enemies are not uncommon during the transition from peace to war(many Russian troops were ordered not to fire at the Germans in the opening stages of Barbarossa).

The US knew very well that the Japanese fleet had sailed and was in the Pacific. Given the deteriorating diplomatic situation (and also normal defence procedure) it would be natural to try and find them.

Cheers

Athos

Over the Hills and O'er the Main,
To Flanders, Portugal and Spain,
The Queen commands and we'll obey
Over the Hills and far away.

Waldo.Pepper
07-28-2004, 08:04 AM
Thank you Athosd

Exactly what I was going to post.

Imagine what people are going to say about 9/11 60 years from now.

"Elvis never did no drugs!"

MiamiEagle
07-28-2004, 08:55 AM
It is a intersting video but it does not prove that their was a conspiracy. We tend to forget that at this stage of the War we where not sure we could win it. I use to think it was possible that Roosevelt knew about it and kept it silent so that the Nation would support him against the axis. The Goverment of that era was capable of doing this. Roosevelt was a very wily Gentelment. But after thinking and evaluating it in a objective matter for long time. I have come up with the conclusion that their was not a conspiraty but a pure under estimation of the enemy. Their is no way the Goverment would put their main fighting fleet at risk and take the chance of losing the war.The order not to shoot was probably given because of the confusion of the attack. When you read History you have to place your self at the moment in time that you are evaluating.At that time we where not sure of our own capabilities. We were optimistic put not cocky or sure we where going to win this war. Besides that threw all our plans of many years for a major Naval engage and hopefully win the war early. We where not goin to risk everything just to get the Public to back the war . As for the PBY looking for the enemy . People forget all tention that existed just before the Attack. We have to learn from History or be condem by it. The same thing happen on Sept 11. We again understimated our enemies and suffer similar concequences because we did not learn from it . Their is cover up concerning Pearl Harbor but this is not one of them.

Woodrow79
07-28-2004, 01:35 PM
I also think it unlikely that the U.S. government at THAT time would have allowed the whole Pacific fleet to be destroyed on purpose. Add to it that both oceans are huge and Americans have, from the start, felt protected by those oceans and thus have always had a bind spot to foreign invaders.

Also, Americans tend to think of the world in a self-centered way. Let's give the Japanese their due. It took enormous manpower, planning, training, and leadership to pull off the attack on Pearl Harbor. In other words, they had something to do with it! lol

It was an effort in futility though. The U.S. industrial output in 1941 was almost double that of Japan. I think Yamamoto himself told the Japanese high command that he could guarantee six months of command of the Pacific after they attacked the U.S. After that, he said their position would deteriorate rather quickly. It was a gamble on the part of the Japanese. They went on the hope that with such a huge loss the U.S. would accept some form of terms. Obviously they were 180 degrees off. 7 months after Pearl Harbor the war in the Pacific was in all intents and purposes over for the Japanese at the battle of Midway.

One also has to consider other factors from the Japanese side. If I remember correctly, they hadn't lost a sea battle in the previous 350 years. They proceeded under a false assumption of invincibility, and America rested in its own belief of invincibility.



Woodrow

VF-3Thunderboy
07-28-2004, 07:24 PM
Actually, I believe the order to ALERT came through at about 10:00, maybe after the Japanese diplomats served notice, (intentionaly late, I think). The Japanese sub was shot at, but communications in HAWAII were probably somewhat laid back, and we were NOT in a military war mode. Wildcats were kept on board their Aircraft carriers, although they had the range to help.(Mission Idea!!!)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Imagine what people are going to say about 9/11 60 years from now.
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Actually,Muslim terrorists 10 years BEFORE had tried to TOPPLE the World trade Center, -remember that??? WHo needs 60 years to figure out that America is so rich fat and happy, that few people care? Who would figure that few people even now remember "911"?
Leon Peneta (?)had declaired a few days after 911 that no "ethnic profiling" (IE: young muslim males) would be permitted.All the attackers were "Young Muslim Males".Bush actually courted the Muslim community, and those EXACT people have been ARRESTED on conspiracy charges. In 10 years America will figure it out, when we have nothing left! We certainly wont ned 60 years to figure this out.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/353.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

Tater-SW-
07-28-2004, 09:16 PM
Japan had far less than half the USA's economic/industrial capacity at the outset of the war. It was probably closer to one tenth.

tater

LeadSpitter_
07-29-2004, 12:09 AM
this is not to argue, simply a interesting video interview.

Can the mods please remove the posts that are inappropriate rather then locking this thread. Thanks

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VF-3Thunderboy
07-29-2004, 01:13 AM
Sorry, - Dang Flashbacks! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

JG7_Rall
07-29-2004, 12:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-3Thunderboy:
Actually, I believe the order to ALERT came through at about 10:00, maybe after the Japanese diplomats served notice, (intentionaly late, I think). The Japanese sub was shot at, but communications in HAWAII were probably somewhat laid back, and we were NOT in a military war mode. Wildcats were kept on board their Aircraft carriers, although they had the range to help.(Mission Idea!!!)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Imagine what people are going to say about 9/11 60 years from now.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually,Muslim terrorists 10 years BEFORE had tried to TOPPLE the World trade Center, -remember that??? WHo needs 60 years to figure out that America is so rich fat and happy, that few people care? Who would figure that few people even now remember "911"?
Leon Peneta (?)had declaired a few days after 911 that no "ethnic profiling" (IE: young muslim males) would be permitted.All the attackers were "Young Muslim Males".Bush actually courted the Muslim community, and those EXACT people have been ARRESTED on conspiracy charges. In 10 years America will figure it out, when we have nothing left! We certainly wont ned 60 years to figure this out.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/353.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I laugh at all these people saying "AMERICA WILL BE NO MORE IN &lt;insert any number here&gt; YEARS AT THE RATE THEY'RE GOING! DOWN WITH WESTERN SOCIETY!" lol get real dude.

"Son, never ask a man if he is a fighter pilot. If he is, he'll let you know. If he isn't, don't embarrass him."
Badges!? We don't needs no stinkin' badges!

VF-3Thunderboy
07-29-2004, 06:40 PM
...But seriously, the Pearl Harbor conspiracy concept had been around for years. I was just trying to make a point that even now, with certain militant groups scoping out airliners,(I have a recent update, its scary...), and Politcal Correctness being strictly enforced, the next airline terrorist explosion is not even being looked at, as US LAW will not permit looking at the most probable people who would commit such a crime, which is a CRIME in itself.
Gorge Orwell is ROLLING over so much, he should come poping up anyday now.

Given a few more hours, or even a phone call connection (Jap Submarine, which when the message went through, put the Military on Alert)it may have been a little bit different, but it still would have been a sneak attack, etc...


Eventually all great societies get FAT and HAPPY, IE: Rome, Greece,China, etc... and fall from power.Im not sure about what you KNOW there JG&-Rall. I am on writen record *online* for calling the Iraq war (before stuff happened)in online forums, down to "Saddam be gone",1 month before he was found.
etc..the big blow up, etc...I understand certain military strategy fairly well, and...

Im not sure if you know how little it would take or if the Muzygoofs do, but it would not take much to start a huge/probably irriversable decline....

from a military http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/354.gif perspective...
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GMD? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/354.gif