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GH_Klingstroem
06-23-2004, 04:14 PM
why is it that only the p51 ver.from B-D and the Ki84 are the only AC to suffer from stress during pullup from a dive?! I have tried every single AC and only these two types lose their wings... Now I know the p51 was known to lose a couple of rivets when pulled out from a high speed dive, but cant have been the only one! anyway, have a good night you all!
Cheers

GH_Klingstroem
06-23-2004, 04:14 PM
why is it that only the p51 ver.from B-D and the Ki84 are the only AC to suffer from stress during pullup from a dive?! I have tried every single AC and only these two types lose their wings... Now I know the p51 was known to lose a couple of rivets when pulled out from a high speed dive, but cant have been the only one! anyway, have a good night you all!
Cheers

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06-23-2004, 04:16 PM
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F19_Ob
06-24-2004, 02:26 AM
109 pilots used to dive vertical if they got a p51 on their tail. The 109 can dive quite a lot exceeding its red line(without even buffeting), while the p51's will loose their wings if they do, or pull up too hard.
I've read it in several accounts and it seems also this was a standard luftwaffe tactic.
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Regarding other planes loosing their wings in dives I seem to remember the La5 did that too in earlier patches atleast.

The spits also should loose wings quite easily (its well documented historically) but U shouldnt be able to pull anything of from a hurricane acording to the pilots who flew both spits and hurries.
Remember reading that many spits pulled of the wings during the invasion days and spits was lost in other accidents too. One pilot stated that he once saw hundreds of crashed spits gathered (in france?).

I have also read one account where a 109F lost its wing in a hard turn, but his wingmate thought he had taken hits in the wing in an earlier battle and thus weakened.

A Finnish 109 lost its wing during a too hard pullout from a vertical dive, most likely he overtrimmed it so the wings broke from the stress since u cant pull that hard on the stick, atleast acording to his comrades.



well thats what I got
cheers!

woofiedog
06-24-2004, 02:29 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Haven't you seen the episode of The Twilight Zone with William Shattner on the Airliner?
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gifThere is a Sky Gremlin tearing apart the aircrafts engines and wing...during a Thunder Storm no less! Spooky!

SUPERAEREO
06-24-2004, 03:38 AM
I saw that scene in the movie (without William Shatner).

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STENKA_69.GIAP
06-24-2004, 05:21 AM
With FB 1.0 YAK 3s and 9s used to lose elevators wings and stuff in a high speed dive even before you got around to try pulling out.

I used to leave a trail of spare parts around the sky - but havn't tried it out in AEP.

In real, apparently Zeros would wrinkle back the stressed skin on the wings in a fast dive.

109s were particularily delicate in the wing department - they went through several redesigns of the wing trying to get round the problem of installing guns without further weakening the structure. Theoreticaly a 109 could out turn and out pull a Spitfire but any sensible pilot dared not test the limit. The Spitfire had a multiple beam structure to the main wing spar that acted a bit like a leaf spring - so it gave feedback when it was being pushed towards the limit, the box section of the 109 spars was very rigid then .... broke.

I suspect that with most of the planes in IL2 if you brutalised them in real life the way we treat them with our joysticks - they would fall apart - but the game would be less popular. That's just a guess - if there are any real pilots with experience of this period aircraft out there - it would be interesting to know.

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woofiedog
06-24-2004, 06:16 AM
Hello SUPERAEREO how are things going?
I know there was a movie version of the same story... but the old T.V. series had Old Captain Kirk{W. Shatner} before he was Blasting away flying around the Solar System.
STENKA_69.GIAP... A few of the late models of Fighters had problems with stress... P-51's had a problem of breaking up during high speeds... Lucky it wasn't a common accurance.

Udidtoo
06-24-2004, 06:29 AM
Stenka, in Aep the Yaks, not just the 3's still begin to loose those important parts around 560 ,570.

Easiest way to cheat that if your so inclined and wish to get from hi to low in a hurry is hit AI button.

When AI is flying the rig, its super Gsuit deluxe and the magical Gorilla glue can't pull me apart with a tractor stress resistant plane.

Or in other words, no G's for you or the plane. Ai don't black out or fly a plane to bits no matter how much they exceed the red.

I don't even consider it cheating anymore offline, as the way it is now ai has a decided advantage in that area so I counter it with the means available.

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I always have just enough fuel to arrive at the scene of my crash.

Fehler
06-24-2004, 07:12 AM
Ahh, Twilight Zone, the move... That is the one that had Vic Morrow (Combat) in it. I believe he died in an accident during the shooting of that movie. A helicopter crashed and he was killed by a rotor blade that flew off the chopper.

As I recall, John Lithgow played the wacked out airline passenger in the movie.. The part originally played by William Shatner in the TV series.

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S 8
06-24-2004, 07:47 AM
So,I guess that´s what Ace Ventura jokes about when in the airplane.
-There´s someting on the wing......some...thing!
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