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vroelofs
04-07-2004, 11:44 AM
I thought they where not much of a match for any US fighter,i read from different sources,but i must say i have great difficulty getting on their tailes..............

vroelofs
04-07-2004, 11:44 AM
I thought they where not much of a match for any US fighter,i read from different sources,but i must say i have great difficulty getting on their tailes..............

bird_brain
04-07-2004, 11:51 AM
Full throttle, go screaming past & pull up in a shallow climb. After you extend, pull up & reverse. Dive back down at them & by now they should be climbing back at you. Keep your speed up and if one breaks off instead of coming straight at you, go after him.
If they both come straight after you, repeat process until one of them breaks off on the approach. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Curly_109
04-07-2004, 12:03 PM
my tactic in general is that i climb above enemy A/C then turn dive on it.. if he manage to avoid your attack by turning etc. that doesn't matter you climb up again ---do not try to follow his maneuvres or you'll find yourself drained of speed, then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif--- (because of your greater speed) and do this procedure again.
if enemy A/C is above you and spotted you, you have really little chance no matter what A/C you are flying, as long as he know what to do.

try offline QMB against any A/C on ace level for instance. let's say on 1000m (default). then you climb to 1500-2000 or higher and make sure that he's ~500m below ya. then simple turn and dive on him and pull the trigger. works on every AI controlled A/C (yak-3, ki-84, La-7 whatever) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Bobcat-1
04-07-2004, 12:40 PM
I have the same problem with zero's. One thing I am trying to learn is the right distance to extend before I reverse. Do you guys have a suggestion on this one. I usually fly P-38, P-51, P-47. TIA

bird_brain
04-07-2004, 12:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> One thing I am trying to learn is the right distance to extend before I reverse. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

After they have turned around to come after you it is a matter of timing. It depends on how steep you pull up but once you start to loose speed, go for it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Lunix
04-07-2004, 12:57 PM
You will not get on a Zero's six but this does not mean they are a match for the american planes. Quite frankly the zero does not stand a chance. Simply stay fast and the zero will not get a shot while you can dictate the fight. Teamwork can really help here as it can be a pretty long and boring fight. When you have decided to make an attack the zero will try to counter by turning hard. Do not try to get on his six as that is foolish. Simply aim your plane at where he will be by the time you get there. if your timing is right you will get there in time to have him fly through your gunsight with the top of his plane exposed. Engine cockpit wings and all. Remember to extend and that the zero rolls and turns like a P47 at "high" speeds.

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ZG77_Nagual
04-07-2004, 01:02 PM
P38v8zeros (http://pws.chartermi.net/~cmorey/jv8zeros.zip)

all ace, full real except outside views. 0s have 25% fuel - 38 has 50%.
Online it's much more difficult - why I practice with 8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BpGemini
04-07-2004, 01:18 PM
Workable tactics versus the Zero:
Boom and Zoom tactics
Tight scissors with a plane that has good turning and an exceptional roll rate.

The counter moves for the Zero:
Versus Boom and Zoom – keep an eye on the target and keep your speed up. Wait for him to drop to engage and nose up into to him for the head-on shot.
Versus tight scissors – Donâ't try to match his move, as your Zeroâ's roll rate will put you at a disadvantage. Instead roll up to semi-suspend yourself then use rudder to help fish tail roll your way down to his six as he finishes out his scissor roll.

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Bamatt
04-07-2004, 01:32 PM
BnZ. Dont turn with them, you'll lose. Zero's are my secret Llama7 and Yak3 killers. Uh oh, the secrets out!

DeerHunterUK
04-07-2004, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bamatt:
BnZ. Dont turn with them, you'll lose. Zero's are my secret Llama7 and Yak3 killers. Uh oh, the secrets out!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They're not too bad against Spitfires either. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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VW-IceFire
04-07-2004, 02:08 PM
Its been 60 years and people are still having trouble with the Zero http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The key to beating a Zero is the same to beating a Yak or a La 5 and up. You keep your speed up and you don't turn more than 90 degrees with them in level flight...ever. Also important is teamwork. Do a search for the Thatch Weave. It turned the Wildcat, which was thought to be inferior against the Zero, into a potent weapon.

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Maj_Death
04-07-2004, 02:23 PM
The simplest approach is often the best, attack with high speed from above and then keep going. Never ever turn. Once you have extended sufficiently (I wait till they are single pixel in normal zoom), turn around and repeat. Short of a golden bullet or a collision, they won't be able to kill you.

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ajafoofoo
04-07-2004, 02:29 PM
Using a zero vs a la7 online is a tactic that might have worked when IL2 first came out, now days most la7 pilots are smart enough to extend and BNZ ya.

Still you do sometimes run into the occasional fresh pilot who keeps turning and makes a super easy kill for you.

BpGemini
04-07-2004, 02:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maj_Death:
The simplest approach is often the best, attack with high speed from above and then keep going. Never ever turn. Once you have extended sufficiently (I wait till they are single pixel in normal zoom), turn around and repeat. Short of a golden bullet or a collision, they won't be able to kill you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Read my counter to B&Z for Zero.
Two noses converging at one point is still just that, a convergence point to exchange lead, dispite who has the energy advantage.

B&Z is one of the best tactics against it but you're kidding yourself when you say the Zero "never or won't" be able to kill.

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StudUK
04-07-2004, 04:43 PM
try a b-239 and getting a hellcat/wildcat Skin!!
i.e
10449-F6FHellcatReplica.zip @ il2skins.com

Great fun, the B-239 IMHO a just a agile as the Zero http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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mike_espo
04-07-2004, 07:50 PM
As someone who plays the zero often. I can say NO.1 rule: Dont turn with a zero at all! Diving slashing attacks are the only thing that will work. Extend, Climb and repeat. If its a multi bogey engagement, its easy. The only time I get killed while flying the zero is when I get whacked from behind while chasing a bogey.

Only one time I can remember that a guy used correct tactics against me. He kept B&Z me in a mustang. Never touched him. Was very frustrating to say the least. Luckly hardly anyone uses these tactics. They all try to turn with me and mostly they die.

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vroelofs
04-08-2004, 01:14 AM
Thanks,everyone.................... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif