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prb17
09-19-2004, 05:37 PM
I just discovered this game from a news story on the AVSIM site. The screen shots show images of ships with amazing detail! I might need a new computer to run this ting... One of the pics showed F4Us parked on the USS Lexington (CV-2), which sank in May 1942, before the F4U entered service (oops!) I'm thinking maybe this means the game will allow "what if" scenarios. That would be fun.

prb17
09-19-2004, 05:37 PM
I just discovered this game from a news story on the AVSIM site. The screen shots show images of ships with amazing detail! I might need a new computer to run this ting... One of the pics showed F4Us parked on the USS Lexington (CV-2), which sank in May 1942, before the F4U entered service (oops!) I'm thinking maybe this means the game will allow "what if" scenarios. That would be fun.

Korolov
09-19-2004, 06:04 PM
I imagine pretty soon they'll start showing off other carriers - right now the only ones we've seen are the Akagi and Lexington.

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/klv_sigp38shark1a.jpg

lkemling
09-19-2004, 06:34 PM
One of the movie clips released show seafires taking off of a Illustrious class carrier.

prb17
09-19-2004, 06:49 PM
Korolov: That's probably it. I do like the idea of "what if" scenarios, though. You know, what if the Doolittle raid never happened? Then the Enterprise and Hornet would have been available for the fight in the Coral Sea, and maybe the Lex would not have been sunk, and would have been availabe to fight off Kamikaze's, as depicted in the screen shots for this game! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
09-19-2004, 07:32 PM
What-ifs are a definate possibility. If you pick up Forgotten Battles Gold pack which is the games predecessor (and runs the same game engine with the same level of detail) you can even do some what-if scenarios in the European front with a few of the early jet experiments. Its good fun for those who can suspend history for just a second.

My suspicion is that the reason the Lexington gets passed around alot is that the other carriers weren't quite finished yet in-game. I can't wait to see the infamous Essex class carriers.

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Korolov
09-19-2004, 10:45 PM
Yeaaahhh, we can try to take P-80s off of the Lex and Me-262s off the Akagi in the ultimate UBERDOM contest, LOL!

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http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/klv_sigp38shark1a.jpg

SimHq Tom Cofield
09-20-2004, 11:42 AM
You can always pretend it is her sister ship, the Saratoga.

The only problem I have with the Lady Lex in this game right now is the date that they have rendered her. She is in pre-war setup, still having her 8 inch guns. I can't remember but I think at the time of her sinking the 8 inchers had already been removed and replaced with 5inch quickfiring guns for AA defense.

Correct me if I am wrong here. I am wrong a lot you know.

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Sakai9745
09-20-2004, 01:44 PM
No worries... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I think we've all been there and done that. I remember commenting about seeing a screenshot of a Yorktown Class carrier when it was really the Lex. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

I know that Lex had her 8-inchers landed prior to Coral Sea. Lemme find a pic of her...

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g10000/g16669.jpg

OK... not the best one, but it is rather clear aft of the funnel - no 8-inchers. Does anyone know if any AA was put in their place?

Al - SF, Calif

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"Defense Dept regrets to inform you that your sons are dead cause they were stupid."

Fliger747
09-20-2004, 01:45 PM
Sara got the four twin 5"38 mounts, but Lex did not before her demise. My recollection was that the 8" mounts were replaced with 1.1" AA mounts. Upping the AA capability (important) and reducing top weight (also important).

Not sure why thy have Lex in pre-war livery, though she is a beauty.

prb17
09-20-2004, 06:52 PM
The Lexington's 8 inch gun mounts were removed in late March 1942, a little over a month before she was lost in the Coral Sea battle.

The image in the screen shot is wrong in another way as well. The island depicted in the screen shot is that of Saratoga (CV-3) after an extensive refit in 1942. The island of the Lex at the time of her sinking looked very different. Big tripod mast, not the square boxy thing seen in the screen shots.

I hope this is because the game designers are thinking about the possibility of "what-if" scenarios, as I mentioned above. Not stupid ones, like P-80s and ME-262s, but interesting ones, like what if Lex survived Coral Sea.

I hope the historically inaccurate Lexington is not the result of ignorance about these things on the part of the game designers.

[edited for typo]

[This message was edited by prb17 on Mon September 20 2004 at 06:10 PM.]

Korolov
09-20-2004, 08:18 PM
It might also be a issue with blueprints, although it seems to me that swapping 8" guns wouldn't require such a massive blueprint change.

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/klv_sigp38shark1a.jpg

prb17
09-20-2004, 08:41 PM
Are the PF game designers using WWII ship blueprints? I honestly don't know. But as Fliger747 pointed out above, the "livery" of the CV-2 is pre-war: Huge "LEX" painted on the fantail, un-painted wood decks. After Pearl Harbor, all decks, of all USN ships, including carriers, were painted BLUE, which was a shame for those pretty teak wood decks, but that's the way it goes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif