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CZ_exXtreme
03-21-2004, 07:28 AM
Oleg,

please add some mid and heavy bombers, I love to fly AI B-17 and flyable B-17 ... hmmm, can't find right words to describe it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And it will be great to add option for multiplayer that multiseat airplanes can be controlled by multiple humans. I can imagine it in coop missions - group of B-17/24 ... May be it's for BoB.

Keep moving. Salute!

CZ_exXtreme

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CZ_exXtreme
03-21-2004, 07:28 AM
Oleg,

please add some mid and heavy bombers, I love to fly AI B-17 and flyable B-17 ... hmmm, can't find right words to describe it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And it will be great to add option for multiplayer that multiseat airplanes can be controlled by multiple humans. I can imagine it in coop missions - group of B-17/24 ... May be it's for BoB.

Keep moving. Salute!

CZ_exXtreme

CZ_exXtreme

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VW-IceFire
03-21-2004, 08:14 AM
There's a post somewhere around here about the guy making the A-20 and how hard it is to do all the stations for a given bomber. You can't snap your fingers and build a B-17. It'll take a team of commited guys months to do...unlikely that we'll have a flyable B-17.

Oleg's team is building a bunch of flyable B-25's however. That plus the group building a Ju-88 will, I think, make people pretty happy with their medium bomber options. Plus the A-20 which is more of a gunship/bomber. That'll do.

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rbstr44
03-21-2004, 08:23 AM
Also, Agamemnon's making the Pe-2 cockpit; his thread is usually hanging around on the first or second page of ORR.

If you look in the first sticky thread "Look here please", you will find a post by a guy who is volunteering to make the B-17 pit. He is still looking for information on the different crew stations, however.

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Red_Storm
03-21-2004, 02:42 PM
The US wasn't the only country that fielded bombers in the second world war you know. And it fielded far from the best bombers.

necrobaron
03-21-2004, 08:56 PM
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AcesHigh_AVG
03-21-2004, 10:19 PM
Far from the best bombers? Well I went searching for better bombers but came up empty handed!

Send your trolling post somehwere else!

LuftKuhMist
03-21-2004, 10:38 PM
Bah, USA fielded the BEST bomber of WWII, the B29.

Medium bomber, which one is the best? My opinion is the Junkers88 because of its incredible versatility.

Light? Pe2 in my humble opinion.

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WWMaxGunz
03-21-2004, 11:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
The US wasn't the only country that fielded bombers in the second world war you know. And it fielded far from the best bombers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps you have examples and reasons?


Neal

tomwilliams007
03-22-2004, 11:13 AM
Is any one trying to build a B-17, I could get pics for reference possibly as I go to duxford air museum a lot

VOL_Mountain
03-22-2004, 06:15 PM
I agree about modeling more bombers for FB and wish Oleg would give the following thread some consideration:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=786108272

VW-IceFire
03-22-2004, 10:09 PM
B-29 was definately the bomber to beat. Nobody had a bomber like the B-29. The Russians knew this...there was even a Russian copy made...a very good copy.

Best medium bomber probably goes back and forth. B-25 is quite good, Ju-88 is quite good, looks like the Tu-2 served the VVS well.

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WUAF_Badsight
03-22-2004, 10:44 PM
i have seen pics already posted with B-17 gunner positions

last time i typed questions to Gibbage1 about it he didnt seem to think it would ever make it into FB

Leiuther has a Pacific sequal to FB coming & its seems like a poor decision NOT to include the B-17 in such a game

BUT ! . . .

moddeling a plane such as a B-17 would NOT be easy

necrobaron
03-22-2004, 11:03 PM
AlaintD(sp.?) was/is doing the B-17 interior but I can't remember his website. I know he'd probably welcome any resources any could offer.

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Aztek_Eagle
03-23-2004, 12:20 AM
B29 wasnt as good as u may think, it had a bunch of problems, engines failures, engines getting on fire, it happened as they were pushed to get them into service, when ppl back on the states were working on solving it is problem, but yes it is ok, was the highest flying bomber, not much could get to them, that is it is achivement

Future-
03-23-2004, 02:26 AM
Yes, AilantD IS working on the B-17 G interiors. Maybe a little search will help...

... didn't find his page via google.

If somebody can contact him, I'm sure he's thankful for any help he can get.

@ tomwilliams007: I hereby ask you to stick to this board here, so if we can find AilantD's HP, we will post it here, and you can contact him. Thanks in advance for your help!!!

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Isatheprophet
03-23-2004, 08:25 AM
hi lol
the b17 the best bomber of ww2 lol as for the B29 yeah i believe they had heating an air conditoning but they were not used in mass number during the war. I believe they came in just near the end.

No chaps definitely the best bomber in ww2 was the avro lancaster, - range 5,000 miles and a payload to dream of. I believe the B17 hand a pay load the mosquito fighter could carry. That says it all.

Isatheprophet
03-23-2004, 08:51 AM
Specs: Country: Great Britain__ Manufacturer: Avro
Designation: Lancaster Type

Bomber Service Dates: 1941 to the late 1950s
Accommodation: Heavy-bomber which carried a crew of seven.
Power Plant: (Mk.l): Four 1,640-h.p. Rolls-Royce "Merlin 24" engines.
(Mk.ll): Four 1,650-h.p. Bristol "Hercules Vl" engines.
Canadian (Mk.lll): Four 1,390-h.p. Packard "Merlin 224" engines.
(Mk.VI): Four 1,635-h.p. Rolls-Royce "Merlin 87" engines.
(Mk.X): Four 1,280-h.p. Rolls-Royce "Merlin" engines.

Dimensions: Span, 102 ft. 0 in. Length, 72 ft. 2 in. Height, 20 ft. 0 in.
Weight: Gross, 68,000 lbs.
Performance: Max. speed, 287 m.p.h. at 1,500 ft.
Cruising speed, 210 m.p.h. Service ceiling, 24,500 ft. Range, 2,250 miles.

Armament: Twin 0.303 machine-gun in nose, dorsal and ventral turrets plus four 0.303 machine-guns in tail-turret.
Bombload, one 22,000-lb. bomb or 14,000-lbs. of smaller bombs.

B-17s

Crew: 6 to 10, most F and G models in bomber role having 8.
Total produced: 12,731

Dimensions: Wingspan 31.6m; length, F, G: 22.8m; wing area 131.92mÔ┬▓.

Weights: Empty F: (typical) 15422kg (34000lb) G: (typical) 17240kg (38,000lb), Maximum loaded F: (normal): 25628kg (56,500lb), G: (normal): 29756kg (65,600lb), Overload, F: 32660kg (72,000lb), G: 32660kg (72,000lb).

Engines: Four 1,200hp Wright Cyclone R-1820-97

Maximum Speed: F: 481km/h (299mph), G: 462km/h (287mph)
Service Ceiling: F: 10975m (36,00ft), G: 10850m (35,600ft)

Range: (maximum bomb-load, typical) 1760km (1,100 miles), over 4830km (3,000 miles) in ferry condition.

Military Load: Maximum bomb load 4355kg (9,600lb) later increased to 7983kg (17,600lb). Defensive fire power; 10-12 12.7mm (0.5in) guns: two cheek-mounted guns, two on top of fuselage, one above radio operator's compartment, two in 'ball' turret below fuselage, two on hand-operated mountings firing through side ports and two in the extreme tail. G variant could carry 1 -13 guns the most notable being two chin-mounted .50-cal machine guns.

delinker
03-23-2004, 09:50 AM
There has GOT to be huge amounts of resource material for referencing B17 crew positions. The Squadron/Signal series is a good place to start. It's a shame to declare that 'no flyable B17 will ever see the light of day' when there is SO much potential for this sim. Oleg and his team have made the irreversible error of showing us all what a flight sim CAN do as opposed to what everyone else has tried to do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif And so the Monsters (that's us) expect more and more!

Given that, they must continue to push the boundries of the game with regard to aircraft as flyable and that includes bombers. There is no way to have a WW2 (or other...?) based combat sim and not fly a bomber eventually. They did it with the He-111 so why not the B17 or B24 for that matter?

At this point in the game (no pun intended) and after all the fanstastic achievements by Oleg and his Team, I will accept no excuse for not modelling these famous aircraft except pure laziness. This sim can rule the roost for years to come and in many diff't formats including Korea and 'Nam era (or continuing with WW2 even more) if they so choose to do it. Imagine running FAC missions over the Mekong Delta popping smoke rockets into the jungle to mark enemy bunkers.....or maybe bombing missions over North Korea are your bag? Hell I can go for all of it and will if they just make it happen. All of this is possible but hard work is required. I'm not a coder and there's a good reason for that so spare me the bit about how difficult it is to model a flyable B17. My only role is to dish out my cash for the product not to get lectures on why this game can't achieve it's full potential. I mean that with full respect!

So whatever the case, or excuse, I'm willing to wait for a bit for these famous, ubiquitos bombers such as B17, B25, and even transports like C47, Ju52, etc.

Cheers to Oleg and his Team for a JOB VERY WELL DONE. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif IMHO

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Future-
03-23-2004, 11:35 AM
@ delinker: I fully agree sir!

@ all: Hey, an Avro Lancaster in FB/AEP, yeah, gimme gimme gimme!
Though this remarkable bomber lacks a little in overall defensive armament, I'm sure it would be a blast to have... plus I think it would be a little easier to model that beast, compared to the B-17.

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