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HangerQueen
04-26-2004, 08:43 AM
The title says it all - I can't hit the broad side of a Me 323 let alone a fighter with that 37mm cannon. Anyone got any tips?

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HangerQueen
04-26-2004, 08:43 AM
The title says it all - I can't hit the broad side of a Me 323 let alone a fighter with that 37mm cannon. Anyone got any tips?

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-26-2004, 09:09 AM
Well, It's definitely an art and a practiced skill that some just never "get". The way I do it is use my MG's to hinder the offending enemy's performance and move in as close as possible for the "head-shot"

There are others around here that are much better than me at piloting the cobra, but I set my cannon convergence fairly high (around 400m) so that I can keep the bandit towards the top of the sighting reticle. The cannon (as I'm sure you know) has a low velocity and a low ROF, so you have to make every shot count. The only time i'll try a long shot with it is if I'm trying to rtb and have the ammo to spend.



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rcorporon
04-26-2004, 09:16 AM
If SmokeJaguar still posts here, he'd help ya out.

He was the p39 master.

Ronnie

BpGemini
04-26-2004, 09:37 AM
I set my 37mm cannon convergence to 100m.
It lessens the lobbing effect.

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Dmitri9mm
04-26-2004, 09:48 AM
I find that if you set your gun convergence to 300m and the canon to 100m you can use the MGs to "guide" the 37mm. At distances below 200m simply fire the MGs till you hit the enemy, then release the MG trigger and fire a single 37mm shell and it should be a sure hit, you have to do it so fast that you don't notice any pause between the MG fire stopping and the 37mm starting.
This works best while you're on the enemys six but with a little practise you can deflect as well.
No matter if this doesn't work for you, there is always one thing you should remember: Never fire salvos with the 37mm it completely screws up your aim (and bleeds off energy too), instead fire single shots or doubles to be sure to get a HE-hit, it's a mere click on the trigger no more than that.

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BpGemini
04-26-2004, 11:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rcorporon:
If SmokeJaguar still posts here, he'd help ya out.

He was the p39 master.

Ronnie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


He's around.

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Usberet
04-26-2004, 02:24 PM
P39, best thing I can tell you try to get defelction shots with it on turning fighters. AIm for the Wing or engine. I can usually take out a wing in one shot now it takes alot of practice.

Gibbage1
04-26-2004, 05:06 PM
#1, set canon to 100M.

#2, play a LOT of QMB missions against friendly AI targets. Then graduate up to enemy AI targets http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Practice. Its got a nasty lob, but 100M wil fix that. Lead them a mile!!!

P.S. Gemini. Made the switch to P-63 yet? I think you should know that the P-63 is currently using the same M4 gun as the P-39. Oleg told me he is going to change it to the M10 gun with MUCH higher velocity, and a bigger shell. You can finally 1 shot FW-190's.

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BpGemini
04-26-2004, 05:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
P.S. Gemini. Made the switch to P-63 yet? I think you should know that the P-63 is currently using the same M4 gun as the P-39. Oleg told me he is going to change it to the M10 gun with MUCH higher velocity, and a bigger shell. You can finally 1 shot FW-190's.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah I fly both now. It all depends on what's available. It's nice to be able to dictate more battles with the P-63 but I still have a soft spot for my P-39. A beefier cannon would rock.

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Curly_109
04-26-2004, 05:22 PM
man you ask for tip on a best default arming plane in-game - what's the matter with u?
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set convergence MG's on 150 for cannon use as suggested above...and you shouldn't have problem riddling some poor A/C with tons of Pb http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gibbage1
04-26-2004, 05:26 PM
Also, according to Oleg, the P-63 "should" turn better then the P-39. You and I both know that does NOT happen.

I think that the P-63 IS programmed with a tighter turn, but stalls out before it acheaves it. Im going to talk with Oleg about this and try to get it fixed for the patch. Wish me luck!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
P.S. Gemini. Made the switch to P-63 yet? I think you should know that the P-63 is currently using the same M4 gun as the P-39. Oleg told me he is going to change it to the M10 gun with MUCH higher velocity, and a bigger shell. You can finally 1 shot FW-190's.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah I fly both now. It all depends on what's available. It's nice to be able to dictate more battles with the P-63 but I still have a soft spot for my P-39. A beefier cannon would rock.

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My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

BpGemini
04-26-2004, 05:30 PM
A couple of other things aside from convergence:
*Trim the plane
*Increase fuel slightly (stabilizes plane but becomes slightly less maneuverable)
*Use MGs to spray a nimble opponent and make them more sluggish and easier to kill with the 37mm.

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BpGemini
04-26-2004, 05:33 PM
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BpGemini
04-26-2004, 05:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Also, according to Oleg, the P-63 "should" turn better then the P-39. You and I both know that does NOT happen.

I think that the P-63 IS programmed with a tighter turn, but stalls out before it acheaves it. Im going to talk with Oleg about this and try to get it fixed for the patch. Wish me luck!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Coolio!

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HangerQueen
04-26-2004, 08:30 PM
Thanks for all the tips everyone! O.k., cannon to 100m and tweak about with the MGs.

I was practicing against an (empty, of course) Me 323 last night. When I replayed the track, I found I was getting multiple hits, but always with the AP rounds. That plane looked like a swiss cheese by the time I'd finished with it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. Does the cannon loadout alternate between HE and AP rounds (Il2 Original)?

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Gibbage1
04-26-2004, 10:04 PM
In the original IL2, it did alternate between AP and HE. The AP is almost useless unless you hit a pilot or engine with it. In FB, and Aces its all HE since the VVS was never shipped the 37MM AP round.

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

ImpStarDuece
04-26-2004, 10:38 PM
Us flyers used to call the 37mm the 'softball pitching machine' and i think we all know why.

I use my p-39 for bomber busing in QMB and even though i'm not the best shot here's a few tips.

I set my convergence for around 550m and hang well back and slightly above and off center from my target, usually about 600m.

I then pull up and start to 'lob' my rounds at my target. Usually i get about 1 hit in 4 shots, not great but it taks only a few rounds to turn a 4 engine bomber into a heap of wreakage with the 37mm.

Usually i try and aim for the outer wing section or the wing root, hitting the main airframe does precious little.

The other option is to set to 100m convergence and clsoe right in for the kill. try diving or climbing at your target so you have a bigger planform to aim at cause you'll probably only get 2-3 shots off in a high speed pass and you need to make them count.

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BpGemini
04-27-2004, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Us flyers used to call the 37mm the 'softball pitching machine' and i think we all know why.

I use my p-39 for bomber busing in QMB and even though i'm not the best shot here's a few tips.

I set my convergence for around 550m and hang well back and slightly above and off center from my target, usually about 600m.

I then pull up and start to 'lob' my rounds at my target. Usually i get about 1 hit in 4 shots, not great but it taks only a few rounds to turn a 4 engine bomber into a heap of wreakage with the 37mm.

Usually i try and aim for the outer wing section or the wing root, hitting the main airframe does precious little.

The other option is to set to 100m convergence and clsoe right in for the kill. try diving or climbing at your target so you have a bigger planform to aim at cause you'll probably only get 2-3 shots off in a high speed pass and you need to make them count.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


With a 100m convergence on the cannon I can fire from any desired distance. The shell runs tighter along the convergence point for a longer distance than any other 37mm cannon convergence IMO. Just because you have the convergence set to 100m it doesn't mean you have to be close at least in the case of this nose mounted cannon.

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CaptainGelo
04-27-2004, 08:57 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Also, according to Oleg, the P-63 "should" turn better then the P-39. You and I both know that does NOT happen.

I think that the P-63 IS programmed with a tighter turn, but stalls out before it acheaves it. Im going to talk with Oleg about this and try to get it fixed for the patch. Wish me luck!



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p1ngu666
04-27-2004, 09:06 AM
yeah the p63 seems a little dodgy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. smaller elivater for highspeed its still not good :\
flaps worse than p39, and trails from abit in on the wing
it is however nice and quick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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04-27-2004, 09:07 AM
oh try full flaps and u can carry along in a stupid nose down angle, but fly along level http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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koivis
04-27-2004, 09:56 AM
BTW the M10 is nearly the same cannon as M4, but it has slightly higher fire rate. The cartridge and muzzle velocity is same. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

CaptainGelo
04-27-2004, 10:00 AM
its easy to hit things that are far away...even mmake def.shot from far away, if enemy keeps going same direction for some time..

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