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Jetdoc_5th
09-13-2004, 03:22 AM

Jetdoc_5th
09-13-2004, 03:22 AM

Exzipion
09-13-2004, 04:59 AM
I think in next patches, B5N and Avenger will be flyable.

Four engine bombers is very difficult of modelling, but... is possible...

Is a great dream...

VW-IceFire
09-13-2004, 10:22 AM
Flyable bombers would indeed be great...but there's a downside too. Even the A-20 was under development for a very long time and it only has a couple of stations.

The development of a B-17 would in effect be the effort of building more than 10 single seat fighters. That effectively would in theory, remove all of the USAAF fighters present. So add in the rest of those bombers and bamo...you just have a bomber sim. Not everyone wants to fly bombers either...although I do symapthize with your cause (I'm a bit of a low alt tactical fighter-bomber guy myself). Realism is important too.

I would think many bomber guys would be happy with the B-25, A-20, and G4M being flyable...since those were the workhorses of the Pacific. And then there is the Beaufighter, not really a level bomber, but a twin engined ground pounder nonetheless...I look forward to flying many missions in that plane. So few seem to mention it.

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Tater-SW-
09-13-2004, 10:55 AM
Yeah, cockpits are harder than the planes themselves, and some gunner stations are as complicated as a full cockpit. I think I read gibbage saying that the blisters in the PBY were as tough or tougher than whole fighter cockpits.

So even a medium bomber needs cockpit, bombadier/nosegun, turret, tail gun, 2xwaist gun. Sheer back of envelope stuff here, but say the bomber external is 1.5 times as hard as a single engine plane. Cockpit is as hard as the external. Call gun stations 1/2 as hard as external for arguments sake. Fighter is 2 units, med bomber is 1.5+1+5.5=8 units, that's the work of 4 fighters. Large bombers might be more like 4.5 fighters.

Not saying I wouldn't like to see as many flyable bombers as possible, but it's an awful lot of work. <S> to all the modellers out there.

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actionhank1786
09-13-2004, 11:00 AM
I agree and understand that the bombers would be a difficult task to manage, but hey! Someone may be willing to get a little "Bomber modelling team" together in the near future? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I wont hold my breath, but i will vote for bombers!


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xTHRUDx
09-13-2004, 11:10 AM
a suggestion that was brought up in the past that the community seemed to like was to build just the cockpit and the bombardier's station and leave the gunners spots as AI. this would reduce the build time and get them in the game sooner. the gunners stations could be added later.

Sakai9745
09-13-2004, 11:11 AM
Same as Hank here. Quite the nightmare, but I would think that there is something of a loyal legion here who would shell out the money for such an expansion. Any takers for this project?

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Tater-SW-
09-13-2004, 11:36 AM
The AI-only gunner spots is a good idea, hadn't thought of that. I imagine that a larger bomber cockpit is also harder to do since you can see both crew stations even if you can't occupy the copilot.

tater

Retro.LNK.-
09-13-2004, 12:48 PM
Very good points from all. If development is an issue then, I prefer having the attack planes flyable first (Vals, Kates, Devastator, Dauntless, Avenger, etc.) the medium bombers next and lastly the biggest targets in the sky (B-17 and B-29), ha ha.

I want to take out a ship, and the attack planes are where it's at!

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SKULLS_Exec01
09-13-2004, 12:51 PM
Yep, I agree with THRUD and tater on this.
But the cockpit and a bomb station only then if time down the road at the other stations in a patch.
Best of both worlds, we get the planes now and maybe gunners stations later.

BTW - Why I'm dying to fly a B-17 and an avenger, the game is Pacific Fighters, not Bombers - so I think the fighter guys are going to win on this one... but I hope not!!
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Tooz_69GIAP
09-13-2004, 01:29 PM
Well, considering one of Ubi's very first statements was that PF would have a good emphasis on bombers, I'd say that having no torp bombers (cept the Beau) is not a good idea, and only 1 japanese bomber is not a good idea.

Hopefully we get a bunch of the divebombers and torp bombers as well as the twins.

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Snootles
09-13-2004, 02:45 PM
If they had to prioritize based on type:

Single-engine dive/torpedo bombers first. Nothing like taking off from a carrier and making a run on an enemy group. Dive/torp bombers combine the attack elements and multiple stations of regular bombers and the small size and "down in the action" play of fighter-bombers.

Fighters next, cos you can't really have a full Pacific sim and not have all the fighters.

Multi-engine bombers next, because it's never really been done before and I (among others) am itching to see it done well. It's a dog of a job, I'm sure, but worth it all.

Floatplanes/flying boats last. Those are the icing on the cake, the thing you do to really make the game comprehensive and unique. How many serious flight sims let you take off/land on open water? Water planes open up an entire microcosm of combat aircraft from fighters (N1K1 Kyofu) to heavy bombers (PB2Y Coronado).

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wuggle85
09-14-2004, 01:23 PM
will any of the b17's be flyable

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actionhank1786
09-14-2004, 02:59 PM
Where the hell did all this talk of no flyable TBF come from? I've been under the assumption since the beginning that it would be flyable. And i've heard people say that they've heard from developers at shows that it was gonna be flyable?
who started this nonsesne!
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09-14-2004, 03:15 PM
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Renegade_50
09-14-2004, 04:10 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif Well call me segregated and spank my ***. I fully aghree with the Bomber psycos, But we still will need a Player joinable bombstation. so the guy flying doesnt have to go to the bomb sight. I do not think that Olegs team will ever factor this in his game. And personally i no longer play IL2FB/AEP and dont intend to purchase PF. They havent lived up to all the great **** they said they would do. Perhaps next year they will make a new version of this these games that will be correctlly formated so that all the pilots will be happy not just the Fighter dorks. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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catchlov
09-14-2004, 04:14 PM
I want the B-29 flyable !!!!!

Fennec_P
09-14-2004, 05:19 PM
The PBY seems to be coming along. Maybe it will be in PF.

Bomber-Burn
09-15-2004, 08:03 AM
I completely agree with you we need the flyable bombers!!! One of the main focuses of this game was to have flyable bombers. If we only end up with 2 or 3 flyable bombers this game will be a major dissapointment. Whats the story on the B-24 flyable or AI I thought flyable. As for the B-17 the AI model has been out since the beginning of the year, everybody knows that it would require abit of work to make it flyable, but instead of winning about how much work it would take if some people started it would already been done and maybe in FB/AEP already.
The fighter guys have gotton many new fighters in every patch and add on since the original IL-2, but we've only gotton 2 flyable bombers during that time(He-111 & TB-3) I'm sure it would be fine to sacrifice 6-12 fighters for a couple of quality bombers.

Does anybody have a list of what bombers are coming in PF flyable or AI?

Skypoet
09-15-2004, 09:25 PM
Very good idea, I'd like to have many flyable bombers available too... the only problem with bombers is that they demand a lot more work... on a fighter you have one cockpit, that's all... on bombers you have the pilot's position plus the bombardier, plus many gunner stations... so that's more work and that's why we only have a bunch of them that we can fly in FB...

heywooood
09-15-2004, 10:08 PM
i voted for bombable flyers...cheers m8

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Tooz_69GIAP
09-16-2004, 03:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bomber-Burn:
As for the B-17 the AI model has been out since the beginning of the year, everybody knows that it would require abit of work to make it flyable, but instead of winning about how much work it would take if some people started it would already been done and maybe in FB/AEP already.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The B-17 has been getting worked on for more than a year at least. Where do you think the external for the B-17 came from??

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