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Bipolar Matt
12-31-2015, 05:54 AM
Altair?
Ezio?
Haytham?
Connor?
Avenline?
Edward?
Adewale?
Shay?
Arno?
Jacob/Evie (cane swords)?

Might not be a popular opinion, but I'd have to give it to Arno, followed by Haytham and then Shay.

Defalt221
01-01-2016, 05:27 AM
Haytham and Connor. Their sword skills are unmatched.

VestigialLlama4
01-01-2016, 06:31 AM
Altair is the best, since he had the hardest controls, had no crossbow and guns (except that one time) and fought against heavily armoured and outnumbered opponents while wearing no armour at all. He also had no special fancy armour set unlike the other assassins in his main game, so be default he must have been the best.

In second place, I would put Edward Kenway. Double wielding cutlasses is no joke, having that kind of double-handed dexterity is pretty impressive skillset.

Connor would be in third place, since he fought harder opponents than usual. He fought Jagers and stuff. But I wouldn't call him a swordsman, since his chief weapon was the Tomahawk

NAVID4ASSASSIN
01-01-2016, 08:22 PM
i always ask this question from myself and in my opinion, it has to be altair, as same reasons as vestigialLiama said, but after him im gonna say ezio, because the games made him a one man army, as he really is very skillful with every tool in his hands, then edward followed by haytham and connor, then shay, idk but unity feels like arno is the weakest assassin, jacob and evie are pretty beast with cane swords but not sure about the swords.

CrossedEagle
01-01-2016, 11:19 PM
The best Assassin Swordsman: Edward and then Arno.
The best Templar Swordsman: Probably a tie between Haytham and Elise.

SpiritOfNevaeh
01-01-2016, 11:28 PM
Haytham and Connor. Their sword skills are unmatched.

Pretty much this, and I would include Edward and Shay.

And in this order. Haytham, Edward, Shay, Connor.

VernalBreak
01-02-2016, 01:31 AM
I would give Arno the reward for best swordsman in the series.

Consus_E
01-02-2016, 11:36 AM
Edward because he can dual wield swords effectively.

eyanvenom
01-02-2016, 03:44 PM
Edward hands down. His Dual wielding skills and speed is unmatched. That guy is blistering fast with his blades.

GunnerGalactico
01-02-2016, 07:05 PM
1. Altair
2. Edward
3. Arno
4. Haytham
5. Ezio
6. Connor (even though his signature weapon is the tomahawk, he still fares well when equipped with a sword)
7. Shay
8. Aveline

Megas_Doux
01-02-2016, 07:08 PM
1) Haytham.
2) Altair/Ezio.
3 Arno.
4) Edward.

Connor is probably the best fighter, but I just can't call him a swordsman.

Namikaze_17
01-02-2016, 10:40 PM
Can the twins count as they use cane-SWORDS? :rolleyes:

Anyway the list goes:

1) Alta´r
2) Edward/Haytham
3) Ezio
4) Connor
5) Aveline

Can't exactly give my thoughts on Arno & Shay as I've yet to play them.

Assassin_M
01-02-2016, 11:52 PM
I will comment on this strictly through a fencer's lens.

Altair uses both slashing and thrusting attacks and his counter kills utilize the beat technique to temporarily neutralize the opponent's blade and keep it away from himself as he initiates the killing blow. A lot of his combo kills also demonstrate his confidence in his initial attack on the blade in that sometimes he may expose himself after the beat and finally deliver the killing blows. He has an excellent fencing stance (Probably the best out of all the protagonists), perfect footwork and preparation (His legs and feet are always in the appropriate positions whether attacking or defending) and his parries are always solid. His one weakness would be the flashy animations, but that's a weakness that's really only aesthetic to give the combat more grandeur. My particular favorite animation is the counter kill where he parries the opponent's sword and does a counter six or circular parry to end with the riposte right into the opponent's lower abdomen.

Ezio until Brotherhood and Revelations had Altair's exact stance animations. He utilized a balanced mix of slashing and thrusting. In Brotherhood, Ezio becomes more than a copy paste and he develops his own moves. His motions are a lot more reckless, though. Whereas Altair had SOME confident or open animations, most of Ezio's are very exposed. It's more of a problem as well because he begins leaning more heavily towards slashing than thrusting, which was consistent with Altair's stance, but not Ezio's. More often than not, his legs would always be opposite to the arm that does the attack. That leaves his chest very open, especially because a lot of Brotherhood's counters and streaks utilize the lunge technique. There's also the confidence present with Altair. In Revelations, Ezio is a lot more sloppy. His stance and footwork are obviously the same (From Altair), but his kills tack on an unnecessary inconvenience. He utilizes guard attacks a lot more than he should as well.

Connor, like Ezio, leans more heavily on slashing attacks but also utilizes some thrusting techniques. This is consistent with Connor's build because this depends a lot more on strength than technique, which Connor is capable of. Connor incorporates a brawler style to his sword proficiency rather than classical fencing, although you can see some flashes of the latter in his lunges and thrusts. Connor's stance is a bit inconvenient because his shoulders are too tense, Ezio and Altair were much more relaxed which enables better use of the arms and faster anticipation. Most of Connor's kills are a combination of classical European thrusts and brawler slashes and this combination is helped by a very closed defense because of him being ambidextrous. Connor's kills are less open than Ezio, but still a notch less efficient than Altair's.

Haytham is the perfect specimen of classical fencing using slashing and, mostly, thrusting. His quarts and sixtes, catching the opponent's blade, are text book perfect which translates extremely well into his preparation and anticipation. His confidence is displayed in the lack of grandeur in his every attack. His finishes could be as subtle as just an advance and extending the arm right into his opponent's face. He also uses the hidden blade the same way when utilized with his sword. His stance, though, is something that some might disagree on. While his shoulders are a lot more relaxed than Connor's, it leaves him pretty open and is basically a feint in and of itself, begging for an attack for Haytham to promptly parry and then counter. Perfect footwork, anticipation, preparation and technique make Haytham one of the best pure swordsmen in the series.

Edward is more like his grandson than his son in stance and technique. There's really not much to say here other than his kills are slower and sloppier than either Connor and Haytham. It makes sense because he presumably had no formal training in swordsmanship, so his style is more brawler. Of course, his footwork and preparation are perfect, which help balance his sloppy technique. Edward barely uses any formal fencing techniques, showing flashes occasionally only because the moves were copy pasted from Connor.

Aveline's fencing is exactly like Haytham's, which is a little confusing since she was trained by Agate, who was in turn trained by Francois Mackandal. I don't think he'd have had formal fencing training.

Arno is another classical fencer, but a lot of his technique utilizes stylized and flashy finishers instead of formal ones. His lunges are reckless, sloppy and blind instead of being meticulously applied before a successful counter six or other defensive techniques. His stance and footwork are good, though. Not much else to be said here.

I'd say Haytham is the best swordsman, followed by Altair then Connor then Ezio then Edward and then Arno. I didn't put Aveline here because her style makes no sense to me.

VestigialLlama4
01-03-2016, 07:15 AM
I will comment on this strictly through a fencer's lens.

Altair uses both slashing and thrusting attacks and his counter kills utilize the beat technique to temporarily neutralize the opponent's blade and keep it away from himself as he initiates the killing blow. A lot of his combo kills also demonstrate his confidence in his initial attack on the blade in that sometimes he may expose himself after the beat and finally deliver the killing blows. He has an excellent fencing stance (Probably the best out of all the protagonists), perfect footwork and preparation (His legs and feet are always in the appropriate positions whether attacking or defending) and his parries are always solid. His one weakness would be the flashy animations, but that's a weakness that's really only aesthetic to give the combat more grandeur. My particular favorite animation is the counter kill where he parries the opponent's sword and does a counter six or circular parry to end with the riposte right into the opponent's lower abdomen.

Ezio until Brotherhood and Revelations had Altair's exact stance animations. He utilized a balanced mix of slashing and thrusting. In Brotherhood, Ezio becomes more than a copy paste and he develops his own moves. His motions are a lot more reckless, though. Whereas Altair had SOME confident or open animations, most of Ezio's are very exposed. It's more of a problem as well because he begins leaning more heavily towards slashing than thrusting, which was consistent with Altair's stance, but not Ezio's. More often than not, his legs would always be opposite to the arm that does the attack. That leaves his chest very open, especially because a lot of Brotherhood's counters and streaks utilize the lunge technique. There's also the confidence present with Altair. In Revelations, Ezio is a lot more sloppy. His stance and footwork are obviously the same (From Altair), but his kills tack on an unnecessary inconvenience. He utilizes guard attacks a lot more than he should as well.

Connor, like Ezio, leans more heavily on slashing attacks but also utilizes some thrusting techniques. This is consistent with Connor's build because this depends a lot more on strength than technique, which Connor is capable of. Connor incorporates a brawler style to his sword proficiency rather than classical fencing, although you can see some flashes of the latter in his lunges and thrusts. Connor's stance is a bit inconvenient because his shoulders are too tense, Ezio and Altair were much more relaxed which enables better use of the arms and faster anticipation. Most of Connor's kills are a combination of classical European thrusts and brawler slashes and this combination is helped by a very closed defense because of him being ambidextrous. Connor's kills are less open than Ezio, but still a notch less efficient than Altair's.

Haytham is the perfect specimen of classical fencing using slashing and, mostly, thrusting. His quarts and sixtes, catching the opponent's blade, are text book perfect which translates extremely well into his preparation and anticipation. His confidence is displayed in the lack of grandeur in his every attack. His finishes could be as subtle as just an advance and extending the arm right into his opponent's face. He also uses the hidden blade the same way when utilized with his sword. His stance, though, is something that some might disagree on. While his shoulders are a lot more relaxed than Connor's, it leaves him pretty open and is basically a feint in and of itself, begging for an attack for Haytham to promptly parry and then counter. Perfect footwork, anticipation, preparation and technique make Haytham one of the best pure swordsmen in the series.

Edward is more like his grandson than his son in stance and technique. There's really not much to say here other than his kills are slower and sloppier than either Connor and Haytham. It makes sense because he presumably had no formal training in swordsmanship, so his style is more brawler. Of course, his footwork and preparation are perfect, which help balance his sloppy technique. Edward barely uses any formal fencing techniques, showing flashes occasionally only because the moves were copy pasted from Connor.

Aveline's fencing is exactly like Haytham's, which is a little confusing since she was trained by Agate, who was in turn trained by Francois Mackandal. I don't think he'd have had formal fencing training.

Arno is another classical fencer, but a lot of his technique utilizes stylized and flashy finishers instead of formal ones. His lunges are reckless, sloppy and blind instead of being meticulously applied before a successful counter six or other defensive techniques. His stance and footwork are good, though. Not much else to be said here.

I'd say Haytham is the best swordsman, followed by Altair then Connor then Ezio then Edward and then Arno. I didn't put Aveline here because her style makes no sense to me.

Wow that is incredible writing.

BananaBlighter
01-03-2016, 11:27 AM
I will comment on this strictly through a fencer's lens.

Altair uses both slashing and thrusting attacks and his counter kills utilize the beat technique to temporarily neutralize the opponent's blade and keep it away from himself as he initiates the killing blow. A lot of his combo kills also demonstrate his confidence in his initial attack on the blade in that sometimes he may expose himself after the beat and finally deliver the killing blows. He has an excellent fencing stance (Probably the best out of all the protagonists), perfect footwork and preparation (His legs and feet are always in the appropriate positions whether attacking or defending) and his parries are always solid. His one weakness would be the flashy animations, but that's a weakness that's really only aesthetic to give the combat more grandeur. My particular favorite animation is the counter kill where he parries the opponent's sword and does a counter six or circular parry to end with the riposte right into the opponent's lower abdomen.

Ezio until Brotherhood and Revelations had Altair's exact stance animations. He utilized a balanced mix of slashing and thrusting. In Brotherhood, Ezio becomes more than a copy paste and he develops his own moves. His motions are a lot more reckless, though. Whereas Altair had SOME confident or open animations, most of Ezio's are very exposed. It's more of a problem as well because he begins leaning more heavily towards slashing than thrusting, which was consistent with Altair's stance, but not Ezio's. More often than not, his legs would always be opposite to the arm that does the attack. That leaves his chest very open, especially because a lot of Brotherhood's counters and streaks utilize the lunge technique. There's also the confidence present with Altair. In Revelations, Ezio is a lot more sloppy. His stance and footwork are obviously the same (From Altair), but his kills tack on an unnecessary inconvenience. He utilizes guard attacks a lot more than he should as well.

Connor, like Ezio, leans more heavily on slashing attacks but also utilizes some thrusting techniques. This is consistent with Connor's build because this depends a lot more on strength than technique, which Connor is capable of. Connor incorporates a brawler style to his sword proficiency rather than classical fencing, although you can see some flashes of the latter in his lunges and thrusts. Connor's stance is a bit inconvenient because his shoulders are too tense, Ezio and Altair were much more relaxed which enables better use of the arms and faster anticipation. Most of Connor's kills are a combination of classical European thrusts and brawler slashes and this combination is helped by a very closed defense because of him being ambidextrous. Connor's kills are less open than Ezio, but still a notch less efficient than Altair's.

Haytham is the perfect specimen of classical fencing using slashing and, mostly, thrusting. His quarts and sixtes, catching the opponent's blade, are text book perfect which translates extremely well into his preparation and anticipation. His confidence is displayed in the lack of grandeur in his every attack. His finishes could be as subtle as just an advance and extending the arm right into his opponent's face. He also uses the hidden blade the same way when utilized with his sword. His stance, though, is something that some might disagree on. While his shoulders are a lot more relaxed than Connor's, it leaves him pretty open and is basically a feint in and of itself, begging for an attack for Haytham to promptly parry and then counter. Perfect footwork, anticipation, preparation and technique make Haytham one of the best pure swordsmen in the series.

Edward is more like his grandson than his son in stance and technique. There's really not much to say here other than his kills are slower and sloppier than either Connor and Haytham. It makes sense because he presumably had no formal training in swordsmanship, so his style is more brawler. Of course, his footwork and preparation are perfect, which help balance his sloppy technique. Edward barely uses any formal fencing techniques, showing flashes occasionally only because the moves were copy pasted from Connor.

Aveline's fencing is exactly like Haytham's, which is a little confusing since she was trained by Agate, who was in turn trained by Francois Mackandal. I don't think he'd have had formal fencing training.

Arno is another classical fencer, but a lot of his technique utilizes stylized and flashy finishers instead of formal ones. His lunges are reckless, sloppy and blind instead of being meticulously applied before a successful counter six or other defensive techniques. His stance and footwork are good, though. Not much else to be said here.

I'd say Haytham is the best swordsman, followed by Altair then Connor then Ezio then Edward and then Arno. I didn't put Aveline here because her style makes no sense to me.

I agree, great read, though I'd probably put Eddy a bit higher coz y'know, he can dual wield, though I guess that's not exactly traditional fencing.

crusader_prophet
01-03-2016, 11:58 PM
Altair hands down. His controls are tough yet brutal when executed. Arno's sword controls are showy, and had pistols to help him out in close quarter combat.

SpiritOfNevaeh
01-04-2016, 02:46 AM
I will comment on this strictly through a fencer's lens.

Altair uses both slashing and thrusting attacks and his counter kills utilize the beat technique to temporarily neutralize the opponent's blade and keep it away from himself as he initiates the killing blow. A lot of his combo kills also demonstrate his confidence in his initial attack on the blade in that sometimes he may expose himself after the beat and finally deliver the killing blows. He has an excellent fencing stance (Probably the best out of all the protagonists), perfect footwork and preparation (His legs and feet are always in the appropriate positions whether attacking or defending) and his parries are always solid. His one weakness would be the flashy animations, but that's a weakness that's really only aesthetic to give the combat more grandeur. My particular favorite animation is the counter kill where he parries the opponent's sword and does a counter six or circular parry to end with the riposte right into the opponent's lower abdomen.

Ezio until Brotherhood and Revelations had Altair's exact stance animations. He utilized a balanced mix of slashing and thrusting. In Brotherhood, Ezio becomes more than a copy paste and he develops his own moves. His motions are a lot more reckless, though. Whereas Altair had SOME confident or open animations, most of Ezio's are very exposed. It's more of a problem as well because he begins leaning more heavily towards slashing than thrusting, which was consistent with Altair's stance, but not Ezio's. More often than not, his legs would always be opposite to the arm that does the attack. That leaves his chest very open, especially because a lot of Brotherhood's counters and streaks utilize the lunge technique. There's also the confidence present with Altair. In Revelations, Ezio is a lot more sloppy. His stance and footwork are obviously the same (From Altair), but his kills tack on an unnecessary inconvenience. He utilizes guard attacks a lot more than he should as well.

Connor, like Ezio, leans more heavily on slashing attacks but also utilizes some thrusting techniques. This is consistent with Connor's build because this depends a lot more on strength than technique, which Connor is capable of. Connor incorporates a brawler style to his sword proficiency rather than classical fencing, although you can see some flashes of the latter in his lunges and thrusts. Connor's stance is a bit inconvenient because his shoulders are too tense, Ezio and Altair were much more relaxed which enables better use of the arms and faster anticipation. Most of Connor's kills are a combination of classical European thrusts and brawler slashes and this combination is helped by a very closed defense because of him being ambidextrous. Connor's kills are less open than Ezio, but still a notch less efficient than Altair's.

Haytham is the perfect specimen of classical fencing using slashing and, mostly, thrusting. His quarts and sixtes, catching the opponent's blade, are text book perfect which translates extremely well into his preparation and anticipation. His confidence is displayed in the lack of grandeur in his every attack. His finishes could be as subtle as just an advance and extending the arm right into his opponent's face. He also uses the hidden blade the same way when utilized with his sword. His stance, though, is something that some might disagree on. While his shoulders are a lot more relaxed than Connor's, it leaves him pretty open and is basically a feint in and of itself, begging for an attack for Haytham to promptly parry and then counter. Perfect footwork, anticipation, preparation and technique make Haytham one of the best pure swordsmen in the series.

Edward is more like his grandson than his son in stance and technique. There's really not much to say here other than his kills are slower and sloppier than either Connor and Haytham. It makes sense because he presumably had no formal training in swordsmanship, so his style is more brawler. Of course, his footwork and preparation are perfect, which help balance his sloppy technique. Edward barely uses any formal fencing techniques, showing flashes occasionally only because the moves were copy pasted from Connor.

Aveline's fencing is exactly like Haytham's, which is a little confusing since she was trained by Agate, who was in turn trained by Francois Mackandal. I don't think he'd have had formal fencing training.

Arno is another classical fencer, but a lot of his technique utilizes stylized and flashy finishers instead of formal ones. His lunges are reckless, sloppy and blind instead of being meticulously applied before a successful counter six or other defensive techniques. His stance and footwork are good, though. Not much else to be said here.

I'd say Haytham is the best swordsman, followed by Altair then Connor then Ezio then Edward and then Arno. I didn't put Aveline here because her style makes no sense to me.

Very good analysis!

As always, your post never cease to amaze and intrigue me :)

cawatrooper9
01-04-2016, 04:03 PM
I'd have to agree with M here, even though I don't know that much about fencing.

From a lore perspective, though, Arno might give him a run for his money since he can wield the Sword of Eden... though that begs the issue of whether the sword can make the swordsman, of course.

Bipolar Matt
01-04-2016, 08:58 PM
Edward because he can dual wield swords effectively.

Do yourself a favor and play Rogue. It's better than Unity. Not saying you shouldn't play Unity, but Rogue was the better of the 2 games released in 2014.

Ureh
01-04-2016, 11:10 PM
It's probably safe to say that Ezio, in his old age, was the worst. TheACR/B kill streak system also made some of the combat kind of ridiculous because when Ezio's about to kill the next guard they'll leave themselves exposed. They sorta solved that in AC3 when you have to use certain tools and/or the disarm before you can continue the streak against grenadiers and jagers.

One of Haytham's finishers always puzzled me because he is indeed a very concise swordsman - I'm not a fencer - but it's the one where he slashes his opponent with a "X" maneuver. Compared to the rest of his moves that one seemed a bit excessive.

cawatrooper9
01-04-2016, 11:22 PM
It's probably safe to say that Ezio, in his old age, was the worst. TheACR/B kill streak system also made some of the combat kind of ridiculous because when Ezio's about to kill the next guard they'll leave themselves exposed. They sorta solved that in AC3 when you have to use certain tools and/or the disarm before you can continue the streak against grenadiers and jagers.

One of Haytham's finishers always puzzled me because he is indeed a very concise swordsman - I'm not a fencer - but it's the one where he slashes his opponent with a "X" maneuver. Compared to the rest of his moves that one seemed a bit excessive.

Yeah, old age Ezio did have some weird fancy moves- from a fencing standard I guess that would be a detriment to him, but from a gameplay standard his killstreaks were some of the easiest in the game- maybe he knew what he was doing after all.

ACII Ezio on the other hand- he's not a very experienced swordsman in his youth, and it is very much (intentionally or not) reflected in the gameplay.

Bipolar Matt
01-05-2016, 12:41 AM
It's probably safe to say that Ezio, in his old age, was the worst. TheACR/B kill streak system also made some of the combat kind of ridiculous because when Ezio's about to kill the next guard they'll leave themselves exposed. They sorta solved that in AC3 when you have to use certain tools and/or the disarm before you can continue the streak against grenadiers and jagers.

One of Haytham's finishers always puzzled me because he is indeed a very concise swordsman - I'm not a fencer - but it's the one where he slashes his opponent with a "X" maneuver. Compared to the rest of his moves that one seemed a bit excessive.

Not only that, Haytham did the X move twice, total of 4 slashes. I always thought that was a brutal kill animation. Almost like he was branding the poor sucker.

LoyalACFan
01-05-2016, 04:57 AM
Welp, I can't hope to complete with M's definitive analysis based on animation and fencing technique, so I'll just put forth my opinions based on lore (which makes things a little less messy because you don't have to contend with reused or impossible animations).

Altair: essentially grew up with a sword in his hand, having been raised in Masyaf as an Assassin from birth. But even then, he was exceptional even for an Assassin considering the fact that he outfought Robert and his knights at Arsuf in direct combat.

Ezio: probably received standard training in swordsmanship as per the norm for noblemen, plus extensive studies under Mario, so he would have learned both formal fencing style and battlefield techniques. However, he doesn't have any keystone victories under his belt like Altair v Robert so it's harder to gauge. He beat Rodrigo (a fat old man) and Cesare (apparently mostly with his hidden blades), but I can't really classify them purely as victories of swordsmanship.

Haytham: he really had instruction from a diverse array of sources; I believe it was said that Edward trained him as a child, and then Birch, and then the British Army, so in essence he's been under the tutelage of Assassin, Templar, and military schools of thought. He also uses the sword almost exclusively, without the distraction of the hidden blade for most of his career, so he had plenty of practice with sword combat in it purest form.

Connor: ehhh... As far as I can tell, he has zero training with swords, and if you watch him, his sword moves are wild and sloppy, relying on pure brute strength rather than technique (I know I said I wouldn't examine animations but I've got little else to go on here, and all of his sword animations are new). The same is not true of his moves with the tomahawk and war club, so we can assume he had training with them in Kanataseh:ton, and they are by far his favored weapons. Plus, considering the brilliance of AC3's animation direction, I can't help but think that his elegant proficiency with those weapons contrasted with his wildness with the sword was done on purpose to illustrate that he wasn't that good of a swordsman; his skills were focused on the weapons he would have grown up with.

Edward: he's tricky too, since in reality dual-wielding cutlasses is very impressive, but in the canon he's the only one of the protagonists to suffer multiple defeats in 1v1 combat (against El Tiburon, who he ultimately couldn't beat at all without pistols, and in the ambush that killed him). He also didn't have much actual training until well into adulthood; he was a soldier, true enough, but he was implied to have just been a common grunt who wouldn't have gotten much special attention. So what I'm getting from this is that he's very strong and very coordinated, but he also relies heavily on his guns and dirty tricks over technique.

Shay: well, as far as I can tell he typically didn't even carry a sword until the one Liam gave him in the beginning of Rogue. He also grew up poor, and apparently had precious little instruction in swordfighting. He didn't fight any of his Assassin targets in combat. I see Shay as more of a hunter than a fighter, and I'm not seeing much evidence to the contrary.

Arno: again, he probably did have fencing training as a teenager just like Ezio, since he grew up in a pretty posh, upper-class lifestyle. His strikes are fairly measured and precise compared to most of the other protagonists, even though, in my opinion, his most graceful and practiced moves are with the spear, and he doesn't have any iconic victories either.

So ultimately, I think it comes down to Haytham>Altair>Arno>Ezio>Edward>Connor>Shay.

VernalBreak
01-05-2016, 07:08 AM
I have not played ac rogue so I can not speak for that. I fenced for 3 years myself and here is my view on the assassin's. I skipped the frye twins because there was too much game logic in syndicate to reasonably compare them to the other assassins.

Arno: I think Arno was the besy. Arno uses efficient strikes to overwhelm most enemies and for the ones that are good enough swordsman he can either make himself a stun window using efficient blocks and strong staggering strikes or he can use his strength to overwhelm an enemy with master attacks. Arno is a very technical fighter with a strategy for every scenario.

Altair: I have to agree with the many others that his footwork is flawless and he is downright a great fighter. Like Arno Altair is very technical.

Ezio: He is by far the worst fighter assassin's creed has ever seen; look at his attacks. His attacks are so grossly big that his entire torso is open. Realistically Ezio would be killed in a fight before he finished a second blow. His dodging is also slow and sloppy leaving him again vulnerable.

Connor: He is even better than most assassins at using enemy attacks against them; disarming even the best of enemies. Connor can use almost any attack and weapon to his advantage making him a great fighter.

Edward: He is an incredible fighter with his two swords. Edward can use his array of assassin gear to help him in combat against enemies. He does have to block before killing captains making him lose some points but his incredible breaking of defense earns him some points.

Haythem: He is incredible with a sword but can not use as many things to his advantage making him a good fighter but not great.

VernalBreak
01-05-2016, 07:09 AM
I have not played ac rogue so I can not speak for that. I fenced for 3 years myself and here is my view on the assassin's. I skipped the frye twins because there was too much game logic in syndicate to reasonably compare them to the other assassins.

Arno: I think Arno was the besy. Arno uses efficient strikes to overwhelm most enemies and for the ones that are good enough swordsman he can either make himself a stun window using efficient blocks and strong staggering strikes or he can use his strength to overwhelm an enemy with master attacks. Arno is a very technical fighter with a strategy for every scenario.

Altair: I have to agree with the many others that his footwork is flawless and he is downright a great fighter. Like Arno Altair is very technical.

Ezio: He is by far the worst fighter assassin's creed has ever seen; look at his attacks. His attacks are so grossly big that his entire torso is open. Realistically Ezio would be killed in a fight before he finished a second blow. His dodging is also slow and sloppy leaving him again vulnerable.

Connor: He is even better than most assassins at using enemy attacks against them; disarming even the best of enemies. Connor can use almost any attack and weapon to his advantage making him a great fighter.

Edward: He is an incredible fighter with his two swords. Edward can use his array of assassin gear to help him in combat against enemies. He does have to block before killing captains making him lose some points but his incredible breaking of defense earns him some points.

Haythem: He is incredible with a sword but can not use as many things to his advantage making him a good fighter but not great.

Utlimately: Arno>Altair>Edward/Connor>Haythem>Ezio

EDIT: sorry for the double post. I don't know what happened.:nonchalance:

pacmanate
01-05-2016, 01:01 PM
How is Altair not on any of some of your lists?! All that guy had was 2 blades, a hidden blade and throwing knives!

johnniewalk1
01-05-2016, 01:22 PM
I will go for connor

m4r-k7
01-05-2016, 01:25 PM
Connor and Edward as they were one man armies. But that is because of the fighting mechanics in those games. On a realistic level it was probably Altair / Arno / Edward.

Halostorm625
09-14-2019, 08:37 PM
Arno? lol no. Arno is easily the worst.
-Can't Pick up bodies.
-Can barely hold his own against 20 Guards.
-Can't disarm opponents.
-Can't Counter Kill.