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Whatsmypassword
08-19-2004, 08:24 AM
Interesting, Izvestia newspaper revealed that the Russian Airforce (VVS) spends $30 million on training of a fighter pilot. Who knows what are the relevant numbers for USAAF?

http://images.izvestia.ru/41016.jpg

Whatsmypassword
08-19-2004, 08:24 AM
Interesting, Izvestia newspaper revealed that the Russian Airforce (VVS) spends $30 million on training of a fighter pilot. Who knows what are the relevant numbers for USAAF?

http://images.izvestia.ru/41016.jpg

M.R.Maiornikov
08-19-2004, 08:51 AM
what did you think we were flying in simulations only? lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif don't believe what they are telling you, the russian army has money to train ( maybe not that much as american-but you have to remember it's two different armies)

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KonstantinL100
08-19-2004, 11:20 AM
I'm sure I read somewhere that it cost's $2 million dollars to train a modern jet fighter pilot up to front line squadron status in the RAF.

I highly doubt that they are spending $30 million on each pilot...more like that is there total training budget for the year i.e 17 or 18 new pilots.

crazyivan1970
08-19-2004, 11:24 AM
Izvestia lost its credibility a while ago... it`s more of yellow press nowdays IMO. If russia would spend 30 mil on each pilot... they could probably train 1 pilot every 10 years http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Unless, of course it`s 30 mil rubles...which is about 1mln dollars... close to reality, but still very high.

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WOLFMondo
08-19-2004, 11:25 AM
Russia is not exactly flush with money at the moment either.

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M.R.Maiornikov
08-19-2004, 12:38 PM
All true but still they have training funds
As for ivan's point about roubels it's highly probable.Maybe it was a bad translations.

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Speco
08-19-2004, 01:06 PM
Actually, I think it's the other way around. With Russias booming oil exports they dont lack money. However this time they arnt going to make the same mistakes. They have realized that the only way you could sustain a strong military is by having a strong economy. This is why the Russian military is "sidelined" at the moment.

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M.R.Maiornikov
08-19-2004, 01:20 PM
Speco i very doubt it that we will have strong economy in the near future.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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1.JaVA_Razer
08-19-2004, 03:42 PM
speco, russia doesn't get to much of the oil money because once upon a tim some communist or something decided it's more efficient to sell the land containing the oil to the big AMERICAN firms then to exploit it themself.

So all of the oil is actually not russias oil, off course they'll get taxes on it but not that much I think.

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georgeo76
08-19-2004, 04:53 PM
The tax revenue of the oil would be substantial, if the oil companys would pay their taxes that is. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 1.JaVA_Razer:
off course they'll get taxes on it but not that much I think.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

maxim26
08-19-2004, 09:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 1.JaVA_Razer:
speco, russia doesn't get to much of the oil money because once upon a tim some communist or something decided it's more efficient to sell the land containing the oil to the big AMERICAN firms then to exploit it themself.

So all of the oil is actually not russias oil, off course they'll get taxes on it but not that much I think.

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What are you talking about. The only land, which was sold by russia was Alaska and it was like hundred years ago many years before oil became valuable resource.

Russia is pumping its own oil and getting alot mony for thet, specially today, when oil prices are going up. And unfortunatly oil money is the biggest part of russian export. You cant build strong economy on the export of raw material. At least russians pumping their oil themselves, not like arab countries.

Whatsmypassword
08-20-2004, 06:00 AM
The article actually was on Pokryskin's regiment which is now based in Kaliningrad. The VVS was going to disband Sandimir Alexander Nevsky named after Alexander Pokryskin Guards Fighter Regiment but the regiment pilots rebelled and the military command changed its mind. The former now commander of Pokryshkin's regiment said that $30 mil was spent on training of each of aces from this regiment. Probably the reporter mixed up rubles with dollars indeed as Crazyivan suggested.

M.R.Maiornikov
08-20-2004, 01:18 PM
People let's not forget who gets all the oil profits.It's surtenly not people like me but Big guys like Khodarkovsky and the rest and believe me they don't have the will to share it with the normal citizens.

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bazzaah2
08-20-2004, 01:26 PM
yup, good point Maiornikov and you can blame the IMF for its illconceived voucher privatisation scheme for that.

Always worth remembering that Abramovitch's etc billions come from little more than sharp practice.

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THE_Bu11dog
08-20-2004, 09:05 PM
The USAAF hasn't spent a penny on training pilots for over 50 years. Mainly because it became the USAF in 1948.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Atomic_Marten
08-20-2004, 09:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M.R.Maiornikov:
People let's not forget who gets all the oil profits.It's surtenly not people like me but Big guys like Khodarkovsky and the rest and believe me they don't have the will to share it with the normal citizens.


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That is my opinion also. Problem is much deeper than it seems at the first sight (not only in Russia today, but worldwide...). It is not really relevant who has (nation) got the bigger this and that, it's all about how available resources (extra profit) are spending. Considered that, it is of little use to talkin' like this for example "...this is a German corporation...runned by German citizen(s)...therefore all German citizens will benefit of it's profits in this or other way...". I hope that I'm wrong, but as far as I see it, the only one who will benefit, regardless of nationality, is few guys that are running corporation. Usually happens that they don't care much about their fellow citizens (if that isn't the case then why lot of big corporations are moved their industrial facilities to the far East where workers are given much less paychecks). But this is only my opinion. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif To get back to topic, 30M$ sounds much to me to train one pilot. But since I don't know much abot this issue, chances are that maybe it is not. Dunno.

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Treetop64
08-20-2004, 10:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Whatsmypassword:
Interesting, Izvestia newspaper revealed that the Russian Airforce (VVS) spends $30 million on training of a fighter pilot. Who knows what are the relevant numbers for USAAF?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Probably 30 phlabizle-kajillion dollars.

M.R.Maiornikov
08-20-2004, 10:47 PM
30 phlabizle-kajillion dollars

Now that's weird,what language is that? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Treetop64
08-21-2004, 12:34 AM
None at all. It's just some silly, ignorant way of saying that military pilot training in the United States is really, really expensive.

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08-21-2004, 12:39 AM
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Treetop64
08-21-2004, 12:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M.R.Maiornikov:
People let's not forget who gets all the oil profits.It's surtenly not people like me but Big guys like Khodarkovsky and the rest and believe me they don't have the will to share it with the normal citizens.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been hearing that name (Khordarkovsky) quite a bit in the news lately. Is he in trouble with Putin or somthing? Getting too powerful with his oil empire - making Putin nervous?

huggy87
08-21-2004, 10:48 AM
I don't know exactly what it costs to train a U.S. Fighter pilot. I remember that the T-2C I flew cost about $1200 an hour. The T-45C was something less if I remember correctly. In my current ride, the FA-18E, we burn about 14,000 1bs. a sortie. That is about $4000 dollars a flight for gas alone.

basdirks
08-21-2004, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M.R.Maiornikov:
People let's not forget who gets all the oil profits.It's surtenly not people like me but Big guys like Khodarkovsky and the rest and believe me they don't have the will to share it with the normal citizens.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been hearing that name (Khordarkovsky) quite a bit in the news lately. Is he in trouble with Putin or somthing? Getting too powerful with his oil empire - making Putin nervous?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, and offcoarse in a corrupt country like russia, this wont go unpunished.

M.R.Maiornikov
08-21-2004, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Putin or somthing? Getting too powerful with his oil empire - making Putin nervous? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not really he just don't want to share with "Bosses" above.

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