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frag_bravo
02-06-2004, 04:10 PM

frag_bravo
02-06-2004, 04:10 PM

1.JaVA_Hornet
02-06-2004, 04:30 PM
you have to buy the usb ch pedals.

Don`t buy the gameport ch pedals.

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Aaron_GT
02-06-2004, 04:39 PM
I have the gameport version (second hand) and
a gameport to USB connector (to make it work
you need a cheap stick so windows will
recognise it - so there's a quick shot attached). I can't remember what issues there were with
just a gameport attachment (no convertor) and a USB stick.

Anyway, the set up works (very occasionally
it loses the pedals).

My criticism of the pedals is that the
centering force could be a little stronger.
It's a bit too easy to accidentally leave
the pedals off centre. If you are flying a
109 with no rudder trim you might like this
though.

JZG_Winter
02-06-2004, 04:42 PM
Get them......

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frag_bravo
02-06-2004, 04:44 PM
Like I said my wife is at home Im at work.she is looking at this as we speak fellas.She plays too.

inyrpropwash
02-06-2004, 04:52 PM
I have the gameport version hooked to a Cougar Hotas setup. They work great but mine also get "lost" every now & then. I have to close out the game & restart my Cougar, then they work fine. No big deal. I can adjust the dead zone in the cougar software so I don't have a problem with centering.
They are also very close together but that is better under my computer desk.
I have no regrets or plans to change them.

georgeo76
02-06-2004, 04:53 PM
once you have 'em you'll wonder how you ever got along w/o 'em


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inyrpropwash
02-06-2004, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frag_bravo:
Like I said my wife is at home Im at work.she is looking at this as we speak fellas.She plays too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
****
Lucky you...Since she is reading this, maybe she will get you a Cougar HOTAS too!

frag_bravo
02-06-2004, 04:58 PM
Now how would you or how do you have yours step up.Should I put my alierons on em or the trim of the alierons?Please bear in mind Im novice when it comes to flyin

eeeg
02-06-2004, 05:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frag_bravo:
Now how would you or how do you have yours step up.Should I put my alierons on em or the trim of the alierons?Please bear in mind Im novice when it comes to flyin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are for the rudder.

frag_bravo
02-06-2004, 05:09 PM
eeeg wrote:They are for the rudder

Please explain.

inyrpropwash
02-06-2004, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frag_bravo:
eeeg wrote:They are for the rudder

Please explain.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Joystick right or left = roll (dip the wing)
Joystick foreward or back = pitch (nose up or down)
rudder right or left = yaw (move nose right or left)

eeeg
02-06-2004, 05:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Please explain.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They provide directional control about the vertical axis (Yaw). This is all explained (along with a bunch of other stuff) in AC 61-23C. Get it here (this stuff is in chapter 1): http://www2.faa.gov/avr/afs/pilottesttips.htm

resev
02-06-2004, 05:16 PM
When it comes to quality, you have to bear a few things in mind.

The only products of the sort that are truly worth buying are:

CH Pro Pedals USB
Simped Vario
Thrustmaster Elite pro.

The CH pedals are very good.
The only flaw that i could point at them, is that they are somewhat short in separation beetween the pedals.
Now this is not much of an issue with most people, especialy considering that the quality is truly high, but i like to fly on a confortable position, and the prospect of crunching the.......er.....jewels of the crown kept in the basement downstrairs, is not all that appealing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


The Simpeds are of the highest quality, and they keep what should be as close as possible, in what concerns to pedal separation IRL.
Die hard flightsimmers favor these among all else, however, the price tag for these babies will bring tears to your eyes, and no its not tears of joy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


The Trustmaster pedals are good, but finding a set of them is almost impossible nowadays.



All in all, and considering the pros and cons of all the other pedals, you will be well served with the CH.

Cheers.

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oeqvist
02-06-2004, 05:37 PM
I use the MOMO pedals (MOMO FORCE not the plastic MOMO Racing pedals)

Absolutely wonderful. Almost better for flight sims than racing games since the tension is the same on both axis and it´s also support individual axis. The tension is quite right to I would assume. Applying rudders in real aircrafts don´t require much force at all as you could imagine it would.

I always play bare feet too since I love the feeling of the aluminium and the grooves of them under my feet. Quite awesome really. So if you got some non plastic pedals try it out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG27_Dacripler
02-06-2004, 07:23 PM
Excellent set-up .. and a great investment, only a few occasions where they get that missing feeling , but it is more computer related and a hardware issue than anything. It is a totally different way of "armchair piloting" you need space and a ergonomic chair to sit-upright. It is a good design but to me I wish the pedals were further apart. A bonus is no hands flying to eat your dinner during a mission..

ElAurens
02-06-2004, 07:51 PM
I've been using the whole CH setup now for some time...No problems, no repairs, no expensive mods needed. You cannot go wrong....

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horseback
02-06-2004, 08:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frag_bravo:
Like I said my wife is at home Im at work.she is looking at this as we speak fellas.She plays too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If she plays too, you'll be lucky if she lets you use the pedals at all. The things are addictive, but they don't cost as much as a decent video card. Get'em.

Cheers

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frag_bravo
02-06-2004, 09:19 PM
Thanks fella's just ordered em on line bestbuy.Should be here in a week http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

T_O_A_D
02-07-2004, 12:20 AM
So those of us who have them already, What is your deadband and other sliders set too. in your conf.ini

mine are
1X=0 0 0 0 13 30 46 59 70 84 100 0 ----Toe brake
1Y=0 0 0 0 13 30 46 59 70 84 100 0----Toe Brake
1Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0-----Yaw

I have some trouble with hitting target and am wondering if anyone else has after getting them and maybe there is a better yaw setting I should be using?

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Bearcat99
02-07-2004, 12:33 AM
You will not go bacj=k to a twist or a rocker rudder. Once you get used to it the immersion factor is great...especially if you have a HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick) like maybe an X45 or the CH stuff...

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txmx
02-07-2004, 01:27 AM
Had my CH Pedals, gameport version, since 1997. No faults no nothing. Extremely pleased.

I have them hocked up to a cheaper gameport joystick so XP will recognize them. As you probably already know you can't connect CH gameport pedals to a USB stick since an analog device through a digital device is not supported in XP.

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Tully__
02-07-2004, 06:19 AM
Go the USB version, less problems with WinXP that way.

Be aware that some older sims (eg. EAW) will only work with one controller.

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moq1
02-07-2004, 06:52 AM
Ok you sparked my interest. Not as expensive as I thought. What is the differance with Pro Pedals and just CH Pedales? I have a Side winder Force Feedback right now, would love to go with a better set up but can't do that right now. Which pedals will work with that stick.


Thanks Moq

Tully__
02-07-2004, 07:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by moq1:
Ok you sparked my interest. Not as expensive as I thought. What is the differance with Pro Pedals and just CH Pedales? I have a Side winder Force Feedback right now, would love to go with a better set up but can't do that right now. Which pedals will work with that stick.


Thanks Moq<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are actually three models:

CH Pedals are a simpler construction, gameport only and allow two axes (car mode) or one axis (plane mode) switchable on the pedals.

CH Pro (gameport) allow the same configurations but are more rugged and sophisticated in design.

CH Pro USB have three axes at all times (rudder & left/right toe brakes aircraft, brake/accelerator/spare for cars) and offer the same more sophisticated construction as the gameport version.

See http://www.chproducts.com/retail/products.html for more details.

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ptthome
02-07-2004, 07:23 AM
Why on earth let your wife influence your decision on buying ESSENTIAL big boys toys?

Does she ask you if she can buy yet another
mascara/manicure set to clutter up the bathroom with?

Oh - back to the subject - great kit buy some

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oeqvist
02-07-2004, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ptthome:
Why on earth let your wife influence your decision on buying ESSENTIAL big boys toys?

Does she ask you if she can buy yet another
mascara/manicure set to clutter up the bathroom with?

Oh - back to the subject - great kit buy some

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ElAurens
02-07-2004, 09:28 AM
T_O_A_D, I noticed an X and Y for your toebrakes. can you make them work differentially? I did not think this possible.

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GT182
02-07-2004, 09:42 AM
I have a set of CH Pro(gameport) pedals hooked up to my Cougar HOTAS and they work fine. You won't go wrong with the CH Pros tho. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BTW, toebrakes don't actually work with the CH Pros but can be mapped to emulate the brake key when using the modifier.

If I was to go one better, I'd get the Thrustmaster Elite pedals.

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horseback
02-07-2004, 09:49 AM
If you get the USB Pro Pedals, you can map them independently in the game, and use your toe pedal(s) for brakes, or whatever else strikes your fancy. You don't have to connect'em to or through a joystick.

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ElAurens
02-07-2004, 10:06 AM
Actually the toe brakes can be mapped to one or the other of the pedals. but not differential braking. Try it. It gives adjustable braking force, not the on/off of a button mapped to brakes. I have my right pedal mapped so....

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PriK
02-07-2004, 10:16 AM
Are you positive about the adjustable braking force?

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Tully__
02-07-2004, 07:13 PM
Differential toe braking is not modelled in IL2/FB. You can map the "Brake" axis to any axis, including either of the toe brake axes on good pedals, but to get differential braking you have to use the rudder axis in conjunction with that single brake axis.

Incidentally, this is how it was actually done in many Russian and British aircraft, a single brake lever on the joystick with differential banlance controlled by the rudder pedals.

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Leech_
02-25-2004, 04:58 AM
So it is possible to unleash the missing axis in the Pro pedals gameport version? Did I get it right?

With "Modifier" do you mean Gameport-&gt;USB modifier? If so I'll be on my way to store.

As for the pedals Ive been very pleased to them. 3 years in the service and no problems. In the gameport version you do not need to plug a sperate joystick into it if you make a "dummy profile" on game controllers and the pedals to the next ID (does not work on XP).


[QUOTE]Originally posted by GT182:
&gt;I have a set of CH Pro(gameport) pedals &gt;hooked up to my Cougar HOTAS and they work &gt;fine. You won't go wrong with the CH Pros &gt;tho. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
&gt;
&gt;BTW, toebrakes don't actually work with the &gt;CH Pros but can be mapped to emulate the &gt;brake key when using the modifier.

Bearcat99
02-25-2004, 05:09 AM
The bottom line is technically you do have differential brakes if you use your rudder and brakes together. Although they arent modelled in FB. You can practically do donuts in the dirt. You will love the pedals.... just make sur you get the USB Pro version.

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BigBoy01
02-25-2004, 05:38 AM
Yes, they perform well, and they are bulletproof. I use the USB Pro's with my all CH rig and the gameport pro's with my Cougar. Over 2 years and not a single problem.

Wilburnator
02-25-2004, 09:35 AM
I love my Pro Pedals... I got them when the original IL2 came out. I mapped the the toe axis to brake and flaps. Left foot brakes, right foot flaps. It may not be that realistic, but it's extremely convenient to be able to "toe in" a little flaps without messing with buttons.

A great side benefit to anyone still on the fence about purchasing them... they make fantastic driving pedals. The rocking pedals have more travel than the pedals that come with most steering wheels, allowing more control for difficult (impossible?) to master games like Grand Prix Legends.

I thought I broke them once and almost started sobbing. Turns out they were only unplugged... lol.

CRSutton
02-25-2004, 10:03 AM
I had them for a while. They are very well made (durable) and work well. That said, they take up a lot of room and were extrememly unformfortable. Very hard on my back. I just use a twist stick now. Works fine.

CRSutton
02-25-2004, 10:04 AM
unformfortable ?? You know, I really don't have a clue.

CRSutton
02-25-2004, 10:06 AM
extrememly unformfortable?? Arrrrrrrrgh....