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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 05:38 PM
Best Buy: $219 - $20 rebate = $199 (pay $236 after tax).

Fantastic performance. I'm very pleased with this card.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 05:38 PM
Best Buy: $219 - $20 rebate = $199 (pay $236 after tax).

Fantastic performance. I'm very pleased with this card.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 05:58 PM
Well, I will give you my honest opinion. I was looking forward to the FX5700 as the "mainstream card" that was going to blow away my GF4Ti4400.

But then I read the new reviews http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031023/index.html and it seemed the FX5700 was too close to the FX5600 and not close enough to the FX5900's

Then I found this ad Saturday http://www.buyxtremegear.com/msi5900td128.html on pricewatch for MSI FX5900-TD128 at $230 no tax and after shipping.

So I ordered it. It won't be here till the end of the week or so, but I will let everyone know if it is good or not (and if this ad was for real)

So anyway I decided that the 5700 at $200 was not a good buy and decided to wait for the 5900 to come down, and I found the right price and ordered it.

The 5700 ultra (475/900) is actually clocked faster than the 5900 standard (400/850) and it is a "newer release" BUT it has a 128bit memory interface instead of 256bit and thus does half the work per clock cycle/approximately half the memory bandwidth. This is why the review showed the 5700 as not in the same class as the 5900's.

So I think the 5900 is a better buy UNLESS there is some problem with the 256bit bus to where it causes problems or something. I will have to find out. If both these cards have the same stability/no different bugs then I think the 5900 is the way to go.

So if I get this 5900 and everything is like gold then I will recommend that you return your card to Best Buy (they have a liberal return policy) and pick up a MSI FX5900-TD128 on the internet instead (kinda hard for an online retailer to screw up a retail boxed video card)

So thats my opinion.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:03 PM
Radeon 9800 for 239 overclocked to Radeon 98000XT speeds will won any Geforce card by a nice margin. Get with the times RBJ.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:08 PM
You shouldn´t have listened to RBJ. Sure the FX 5700 ULTRA is the best mid range card for a long time for nVidia and competes quite well to the 9600XT but it´s still to overpriced for the performance it gives. As well as all other nVidia video cards...

You could have getting better and for less money but sure the 5700 ULTRA will be decent for dx 8 and Open GL games...

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:12 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how defensive some people get over their choice of graphics card manufacturer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

DOG-SneakyPete wrote:
- Radeon 9800 for 239 overclocked to Radeon 98000XT
- speeds will won any Geforce card by a nice margin.
- Get with the times RBJ.

True, but you will be paying $450 plus for the 9800XT, and if you live in the UK (like me) it is even worse /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:13 PM
I'm sure the 5700ultra (475/800) is alot better than the Ti4400 (275/550 ..and with a slower RAMDAC) but I am just saying the 5900 standard is coming down in price to the point where it doesn't cost much more, and based on the benchmarks I've seen the 5900 standard seems like the best buy (when it's $230)

I can not say for sure how good the 5700U is but it's got really fast clock speeds/DDR2. It's just too bad it has the 128bit bus instead of the 256bit.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:14 PM
oeqvist wrote:
- You shouldn´t have listened to RBJ. Sure the FX 5700
- ULTRA is the best mid range card for a long time for
- nVidia and competes quite well to the 9600XT but
- it´s still to overpriced for the performance it
- gives. As well as all other nVidia video cards...
-
- You could have getting better and for less money but
- sure the 5700 ULTRA will be decent for dx 8 and Open
- GL games...


Wait, its just as fast as the 9600XT and they are the same price, but the Nvidia card is overpriced? Just wondering.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:27 PM
I said buy a $239 9800 pro and overclock it to Radeon 9800 XT vid card speed (425/720). Radeon video cards not only are faster than Geforce they also fully support DX9 which the GeForce cards have problems implementing correctly. You can go to any major video card review site and find out for yourself how poorly Nvidia has been performing lately. If Nvidia comes out with a great new card I will jump ship right back to Nvidia. I feel RBJ's advice is very poor in this respect.

But to each their own.


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11-03-2003, 06:34 PM
US_8th_Dosiere wrote:
-
- oeqvist wrote:
-- You shouldn´t have listened to RBJ. Sure the FX 5700
-- ULTRA is the best mid range card for a long time for
-- nVidia and competes quite well to the 9600XT but
-- it´s still to overpriced for the performance it
-- gives. As well as all other nVidia video cards...
--
-- You could have getting better and for less money but
-- sure the 5700 ULTRA will be decent for dx 8 and Open
-- GL games...
-
-
- Wait, its just as fast as the 9600XT and they are
- the same price, but the Nvidia card is overpriced?
- Just wondering.

Well the 9600XT is faster with aa and aniso and offering slightly better image quality but my main point is that the prices I have seen the 5700 ULTRA is higher priced than the 9600XT. At least where I live. Of course this doesn´t apply if that isn´t true where you buy your video cards http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:40 PM
DOG-SneakyPete wrote:
- I said buy a $239 9800 pro and overclock it to
- Radeon 9800 XT vid card speed (425/720). Radeon
- video cards not only are faster than Geforce they
- also fully support DX9 which the GeForce cards have
- problems implementing correctly. You can go to any
- major video card review site and find out for
- yourself how poorly Nvidia has been performing
- lately. If Nvidia comes out with a great new card I
- will jump ship right back to Nvidia. I feel RBJ's
- advice is very poor in this respect.
-
- But to each their own.

Ah, I miss-read your point... oops ;P

But I agree, if I were to buy a high end card tommorrow, my money would be on the ATi card.... (I have a GF4Ti4600 at the mo) as they are ahead of the game (at least at the top end). It will be interesting to see how things shape up over the next 6 months.........


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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:40 PM
Somehow you guys still don't understand.

ATI is NOT and option.

Therefore: The 5700U is an excellent choice. I'd like to see a comparison of the 5900/5700U, but haven't found any yet. The price RBJ found is on par with what I was wanting to spend, so I may return it if the 5900 turns out to be a better performer.

Again: ATI is not an option for me. If it suits you: yay! For my needs, ATI can not deliver the features that I require (Now do you understand fanATIcs??).



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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:45 PM
Baldie, you just wanted this thread to turn into a slugfest.

You could have send RBJ a PM instead but you just love to kick up crap over here.

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:47 PM
Don't send in the rebate yet BaldieJr so you can still return the 5700 if needed

I have shown the review of the 5700U vs the 5900U

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031023/index.html

And here is the review of 5900 vs 5900U

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_geforce_fx5900-td128_review/page13.asp

(note to all boneheads: see how Nvidia is better than ATI in FB)

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:49 PM
So...ATI is NOT an option?



Just kidding...I have Nvidia too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 07:20 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- (note to all boneheads: see how Nvidia is better
- than ATI in FB)

I have to admit, RBJ, I've been following the 5900 non-Ultra and comparing to the 9800 non-Pro that I was thinking of buying. It performs well in FB.

Yes, the 5900 out performs the 9800 in FB and OpenGL, right up until 1600x1200x32, where the Radeon takes a slight lead. I don't play at that res, but interesting to see. In other games and I'm not sure if they're using DirectX or OpenGl to test with, the Radeon 9800 outpaces the 5900 in almost every other benchmark.

Although, 9800s are getting hard to come by and the 5900 price is dropping. I may have to read a bit more, because up until now, I've always been a GeForce man and my GF2 GTS 32MB still holds it's own at 1024x768x32./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 07:50 PM
I fully expect the MSI FX5900-TD128 to be able to play FB at 1600x1200 (higher than 30fps looking down from 500m at forests with the cockpit on)

Alot of people talk about IL2/FB being CPU intensive and wanting a gig of memory, but I think if you have a half decent system the real bottleneck is the video card. This game eats graphics cards alive, notice how much FPS hit you get with water effects while other games water effects don't do that. I can do more modern video games than IL2/FB(no water) at higher resolutions (acceptible frames).

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 07:58 PM
Ask Buzz about his 5900U and his 9800XT.

I would have purchased the 5900nonU from newegg.com (evga for $235 with ghost recon and some other cool software).

But since nvidia isn't an option for me I got a 9800nonpro (443/401).

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adlabs6
11-03-2003, 08:02 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- I fully expect the MSI FX5900-TD128 to be able to
- play FB at 1600x1200 (higher than 30fps looking down
- from 500m at forests with the cockpit on)
-
- Alot of people talk about IL2/FB being CPU intensive
- and wanting a gig of memory, but I think if you have
- a half decent system the real bottleneck is the
- video card. This game eats graphics cards alive,
- notice how much FPS hit you get with water effects
- while other games water effects don't do that. I
- can do more modern video games than IL2/FB(no water)
- at higher resolutions (acceptible frames).

Exactly right. The situation you expect to see(30+fps from 500m over forests) kills my Ti4200 at all but the lowest detail settings at 1024x768. I've even tried to set FB to run in 16 bit color depth, and at 1024x768 my Ti4200 can just manage to hang onto the 30fps goal low over the forests.

And no, I don't even use the FB water effects. I'm lucky to clear 20fps in a dogfight with water effects enabled. FB is definately a hog in this regard. My FS2004 can run with full water and land effects enabled, and suffer only a 2 or 3 fps hit, still smoothly running at 20+fps.

I'm interested to see how the FX5900 holds up.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:03 PM
JUST GOT asus GeforceFX5900 Ultra/tD delux with 256 mb ram 450/850 mhz and I must say I'm disepointed..It un at 15-20 fps with exelent setnings and 8X antilastning..when I put AT downt to 2x it runs fine

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:03 PM
FB is CPU intensive, not GPU intensive
i have tested it, i used to have AMD 1900+ and now 3200+ everything else the same.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:07 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
- Somehow you guys still don't understand.
-
- ATI is NOT and option.

Now, I am not trying to flame or anything, but why such a strong opinion?

What in particular is it about ATi cards that puts you off so strongly?

I'm just curious...... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:11 PM
Let's see what VGA can do when my 5900ultra arrives. It's close. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif (3200+, 1024 ram, ti4400)




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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:11 PM
VMF513_Wolf wrote:
- JUST GOT asus GeforceFX5900 Ultra/tD delux with 256
- mb ram 450/850 mhz and I must say I'm
- disepointed..It un at 15-20 fps with exelent
- setnings and 8X antilastning..when I put AT downt to
- 2x it runs fine


I don't think any video card nowadays can do 4xAA and 8xAF at 1600x1200x32 (unless you in a game where you are in a desert or something)

I mean just look at this review http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_geforce_fx5900-td128_review/page13.asp No card can do that stuff with playable frames (+30)

I am not looking for 4xAA and 8xAF, I just want to first be able to do 1600x1200, and then MAYBE 2xAA and 4xAF

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:14 PM
oh/i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif ok..havnt tryed 1600x1200x32 out yet....WIll do without aa and all that ...../i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:23 PM
I just found this:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1055388016068&skuId=5642904&type=product

Since the 1 they had left had no price, I assumed it was much higher. I'll swap tonight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:24 PM
I am running my games at my desktop res which is 1600X1200@32 with AA 4X/AF 8X setting all the time 27/7.
and FB run never below 25fps with avrg 40fps
its no suprise coz i am using an ATI card

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:30 PM
Dayak wrote:
- FB is CPU intensive, not GPU intensive
- i have tested it, i used to have AMD 1900+ and now
- 3200+ everything else the same.


Well, I recently added 533mhz to my AMD CPU (1900+ to 2600+) and it wasn't that much of a performance gain. I know yours has faster bus and more cache though.

I remember someone posting in the technical forum about doing an upgrade like yours and they didn't much of a difference until they got a hot video card.

To me, I think it's GPU intensive for the simple fact that I can change my resolutions and see a huge hit in frames. In games like Morrowind, however, I get the same FPS at 800x600 as I do at 1600x1200 looking at the city from the boat at the start (truely CPU intensive).

When you are looking at forests, that is just a massive mipmap and I think the video card is whats going to make the difference.

But if you are looking at one of the big cities, well that is more CPU intensive (drawing buildings in a city I think has more to do with the CPU)

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:33 PM
Not to cause a flamefest, but as far as my opinion goes i support nvidia, now ill admit ati performs better however i personally dont think the small performance boost over the nvidia cards is worth the extra cost not to mention alot of games or some at least have compatiability issues with ati cards iv heard more problems with ati than with nvidia, but thats just my opinion.

And is a 5900 non ultra better than a 5700 ultra?

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:38 PM
Dayak wrote:
- I am running my games at my desktop res which is
- 1600X1200@32 with AA 4X/AF 8X setting all the time
- 27/7.
- and FB run never below 25fps with avrg 40fps
- its no suprise coz i am using an ATI card
-
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- But I Have a Light


Look at this test setup:
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_geforce_fx5900-td128_review/page5.asp

Now look at this benchmark:
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_geforce_fx5900-td128_review/page13.asp

Maybe that review is using perfect settings...maybe not. In either case the Nvidia cards are clearly in the lead at higher resolutions with AA/AF. .. Both have unplayable frames at 1600 however.



Thrawn888 wrote:
- Not to cause a flamefest, but as far as my opinion
- goes i support nvidia, now ill admit ati performs
- better however i personally dont think the small
- performance boost over the nvidia cards is worth the
- extra cost not to mention alot of games or some at
- least have compatiability issues with ati cards iv
- heard more problems with ati than with nvidia, but
- thats just my opinion.
-
- And is a 5900 non ultra better than a 5700 ultra?

I agree, I don't even care if ATI can ***** out more frames (one way they cheat to get better frames in benchmarks is their max FPS goes higher like when you look at the sun at 200fps...but this doesn't matter) I am most concerned about bugs and compatability with games. Nvidia is a rock solid video card compared to ATI. I hate bugs! (and have read about them often with ATI cards)

I would say the 5900 non ultra is better than the 5700 ultra based on these 2 reviews:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031023/index.html

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_geforce_fx5900-td128_review/default.asp


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Message Edited on 11/03/0302:59PM by RayBanJockey

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:45 PM
i have better system than they tested system except the CPU and MOBO(i am using BIOS 1.007) i am using DX9.0b and CAT 3.8
and my system slightly O/Ced


RayBanJockey wrote:
-
- Dayak wrote:
-- I am running my games at my desktop res which is
-- 1600X1200@32 with AA 4X/AF 8X setting all the time
-- 27/7.
-- and FB run never below 25fps with avrg 40fps
-- its no suprise coz i am using an ATI card
--
-- The Sun is Gone
-- But I Have a Light
-
-
- Look at this test setup:
- <a
- href="http://firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_geforce_
- fx5900-td128_review/page5.asp"
- target=_blank>http://firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_
- geforce_fx5900-td128_review/page5.asp</a>
-
-
- Now look at this benchmark:
- <a
- href="http://firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_geforce_
- fx5900-td128_review/page13.asp"
- target=_blank>http://firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_
- geforce_fx5900-td128_review/page13.asp</a>
-
-
- Maybe that review is using perfect settings...maybe
- not. In either case the Nvidia cards are clearly in
- the lead at higher resolutions with AA/AF.


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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:54 PM
Dayak wrote:
- FB is CPU intensive, not GPU intensive
- i have tested it, i used to have AMD 1900+ and now
- 3200+ everything else the same.

Dayak this is very interesting. I ran some tests on my system, used NT PerfMon to log my CPU and Mem utilization while playing back the BlackDeath track, and my CPU (Athlon TBird 1.4 Ghz) never pegged out, max CPU Util was about 85%. Do you think in my case its because of memory too slow (512 MB PC133)? I never ran low on RAM memory, either, and there was no paging at all. Also I have to run my ATI 9000 Pro at AGP 2x.

Just curious.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 08:56 PM
Maybe its just me, but I don't notice many NV owners getting on the fanboy wagon when an ATI owner simply states he's pleased with his improved graphics in FB.

You're right RBJ, there is a distinct difference between the 5900 non-ultra and 5700U. I purchased my 5900 a couple of weeks ago and I'm finally learning how to tweak my system to see what the card can do. By the accounts I've read in this forum the 9800Pro does perform better, but I'm much more satisfied than when I first bought it. I paid $215 which included the shipping at Pricewatch.

One of the big problems for me was the stuttering. I've traced the main culprits to my sound card and IRQ sharing; still some work to fix everything but I'm enjoying in-game graphics more than ever now. I have anisotropy 8X and antialiasing 4X now with reasonably smooth frame rates.

This thread started with Baldie stating how pleased he is. Talk about a fantasy sim forum, wouldn't it have been unreal is everyone just said congrats to your joy man!

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 09:06 PM
RBJ, that test setup is "only" running with 512Mb of ram.
High quality ram, sure, but only 512, its no big surprise that the result are shabby.

And they are not comparing the 5900U, with the 9800XT in the test, so the result from my POV are duped.

If you want to pitch the 9800XT, and the 5900U, then that will be a decent test, but as long as you compare the "simpler" cards, the results won't show much.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 09:09 PM
Dayek::
-- FB is CPU intensive, not GPU intensive
-- I have tested it, I used to have AMD 1900+ and now
-- 3200+ everything else the same.

What was your tests? There are two tests I noticed....

For FB grafix, in a mission with one player aircraft flying around the scenery, changing game time rate up or down time does not change the fps meter.

However for a QMB mission with 32 aircraft, during the heavy math shooting dogfight you can change fps meter by changing game time rate. This is CPU choking on (java?) AI aircraft. Oleg has good reason to limit QMB to 32 aircraft.

In FMB you can create dogfights with no limit on the number of aircraft. I recently tried a 104 aircraft mission (with 1 player aircraft--me) and had little framerate hits because I made the mission with no chance of combat happening between Red and Blue. I would crash if I tried to get 103 AI aircraft dogfighting at one time.

FB is GPU intensive but CPU limited. So there! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I am not sure, but with high enough intensity mission, the 5900/9800 FB Pro simmer will see the same chop as me on my old integrated Trident mobo chipset. This is why I have no reason to upgraded beyond my current SiS integrated mobo chipset until I get a CPU that can handle at least AI 100 aircraft with about 1/3 of them in combat at any one time, the rest approaching or returning from front line, in addition to lots of ground units and Anti~Aircraft and *maybe* some AA ships. Ships are extreme CPU intensive, especially when firing on aircraft.

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 09:21 PM
resev wrote:
- RBJ, that test setup is "only" running with 512Mb of
- ram.
- High quality ram, sure, but only 512, its no big
- surprise that the result are shabby.
-
- And they are not comparing the 5900U, with the
- 9800XT in the test, so the result from my POV are
- duped.
-
- If you want to pitch the 9800XT, and the 5900U, then
- that will be a decent test, but as long as you
- compare the "simpler" cards, the results won't show
- much.


99% of all benchmarks on review sites are done with 512mb of memory.

And having a gig of memory will only make your black death track about 3% faster. There is hardly any swapping. More memory is helpful only if it is actually being used and the preventing swapfile usage. In the blackdeath track there is hardly any swap file usage.

And if you want to talk about the 9800XT then you should be mentioning the FX5950 instead of the FX5900U

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 09:24 PM
LEXX_Luthor wrote:
- Dayek::
--- FB is CPU intensive, not GPU intensive
--- I have tested it, I used to have AMD 1900+ and now
--- 3200+ everything else the same.
-
- What was your tests? There are two tests I
- noticed....
-
- For FB grafix, in a mission with one player aircraft
- flying around the scenery, changing game time rate
- up or down time does not change the fps meter.
-
- However for a QMB mission with 32 aircraft, during
- the heavy math shooting dogfight you can change fps
- meter by changing game time rate. This is CPU
- choking on (java?) AI aircraft. Oleg has good reason
- to limit QMB to 32 aircraft.
-
- In FMB you can create dogfights with no limit on the
- number of aircraft. I recently tried a 104 aircraft
- mission (with 1 player aircraft--me) and had little
- framerate hits because I made the mission with no
- chance of combat happening between Red and Blue. I
- would crash if I tried to get 103 AI aircraft
- dogfighting at one time.
-
- FB is GPU intensive but CPU limited. So there! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- I am not sure, but with high enough intensity
- mission, the 5900/9800 FB Pro simmer will see the
- same chop as me on my old integrated Trident mobo
- chipset. This is why I have no reason to upgraded
- beyond my current SiS integrated mobo chipset until
- I get a CPU that can handle at least AI 100 aircraft
- with about 1/3 of them in combat at any one time,
- the rest approaching or returning from front line,
- in addition to lots of ground units and
- Anti~Aircraft and *maybe* some AA ships. Ships are
- extreme CPU intensive, especially when firing on
- aircraft.
-
-

I'll chime in...

You see the same effects online. I can join a fast server with 2-3 players and maintain fantastic FPS. As soon as I jump on one of these 28-player servers, FPS goes to hell. I've got a good connection to the internet, and lots of RAM, but my processor is only a 1.33Ghz Athlon.

Either the 32-player servers are running on PURE CRAP hardware and have crappy connections, or my CPU is having a hard time keeping up with the number of players.

SPaRX (sp?) seems to have one of the best servers i've seen, but noone is ever on it. I'd love to see it fill up so I'll know for sure if my online problems are CPU related, or server related. If I had to guess, I'd say it is due to my CPU.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 10:33 PM
Actually it stresses both video cards and CPU quite good. It´s better to have a 1600+ and 9700 PRO instead of a 3200+ and a ti-4200 in IL 2 FB...

Zayets
11-03-2003, 10:39 PM
WOULD YOU GUYZ PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MINDS???

Now I'm puzzled again which card to buy!!!



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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 01:03 AM
Here's an interesting read making distinct comparisons between the 5900/5900U vs 9800/9800PRO. They explain very well how they used FB to benchmark.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/fx5900-r9800.html

My price range is the 5900/9800 matchup. I just have way too much heartache paying for a U/Pro, when I'll most likely be able to overclock either solution to a decent rate close to them or beyond./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'm starting to like the 5900, but there is one review I couldn't find that showed a distinct difference as to why the 5900 is as fast as it is, compared to the 9800 and why it's as fast as it is.

It had to do with fill rate and how the GF is using a 16 memory chip, dual mode setup vs Radeon's 8 memory chip setup. I think it went to the tune of the Radeon's maximum fill rate being significantly higher versus the Geforce, but because of the memory setup, the GF card was working twice as hard and performing closest to it's maximum specifications. This is where the Radeon has lots of headroom and can better adjust for more intense action without dropping as many frames. A synopsis, but I'll try and find the actual article.

(edit: They were using V1.1b for their benchmarking.)

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 03:49 AM
Thanks for the link, SlickStick

I don't understand what he meant by "The image quality in the game settings menu was set to "Ideal"." Ideal? Where is "ideal"? I wonder if this guy is using perfect mode or not.
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Dayak wrote:
- I am running my games at my desktop res which is
- 1600X1200@32 with AA 4X/AF 8X setting all the time
- 27/7.
- and FB run never below 25fps with avrg 40fps
- its no suprise coz i am using an ATI card

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 03:59 AM
<font size="2" color="lime">Or...</font>

Go retail,
pick up a 9600 SE for about $129.99,
look inside and see if it is a 9600 Pro,
which are selling for about $199.99 retail.

A lot of people have been doing just that!

You can double check the part number at the ATI site to make sure it is a true 9600 Pro. (Plus, you can run software checks to validate clock/memory settings.)

EDIT: By "pick up", I mean buy, of course. Just make sure it is from a place like BB that has a liberal return policy. - Also, always RETURN a product. Do not exchange. EXAMPLE: If you buy a card and take it back 29 days later and exchange it, you may only be given a ONE DAY return on the second card. It has happened to people.

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 05:32 AM
RBJ, I think they mean perfect, because the paragraph right before it they talk about, "Water surfaces in this game look highly realistic due to DirectX 8.0 pixel shaders and the landscapes with picturesque woods look absolutely live due to very unusual drawing techniques applied (we will talk about these techniques later in this article)."

However, I skimmed some parts, so maybe I'll find it later, but I don't think they explained ideal. I'd expect they'd have the game maxed though. Looking at the FPS, I'd say they were on perfect because others have that kind of performance around here with perfect settings enabled, too.

Yes, Realkill. But, then I've got a card that only has 4 pipelines, instead of 8 like the 9800./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif The 9800's, if you can find them, and the 5900's can be had in the low $200's. Soon they will be lower. My gut says get the card with more headroom in the 9800, but the 5900 performance is interesting. I will be buying soon, so I best get to some more reading.

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 06:51 AM
SlickStick,

I mentioned retail because BaldieJr mentioned retail. And, after going through this thread, he could very well change his mind about cards, so, I threw the 9600 Pro in the mix.

However, I forgot to mention one aspect of the $129.99 ATI 9600 SE(/Pro) that makes that possiblity sweet, it comes with a free offer for Half-Life 2. I am guessing retail that is a $50 value, +tax.

I am sure there will be/is some other game bundles with newer cards, I have just forgotten, or do not know them, at this moment.

Anyway, there are some good deals online on the newer cards, and the cards right before those.

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 09:41 AM
arcadeace wrote:
- Maybe its just me, but I don't notice many NV owners
- getting on the fanboy wagon when an ATI owner simply
- states he's pleased with his improved graphics in
- FB.

Then it's you.

First of all not many threads pop up about "Hey look at my ATI card performing" and if something along the line does then RBJ and a few others will start spamming the thread with their fanboy posts.

But as I said before, this thread was posted to fuel this kind of stuff since Baldie knows damn well that it was going to turn into this.

Besides, this is not IL2 related so why it was posted in the first place in the IL2 General forum is a good hint into that direction anyway.

This thread should have been posted in the NV News forum, not here.

T_O_A_D
11-04-2003, 10:41 AM
Can I say something?



Oh wait you can't stop me LOL

I have geforce 3 Old news I know. But I took aprt my system a few months back. Took out my

AMD 1400 266 Tbird
Iwill KK266 R Mobo
1024 crucial ram

Inturn put in a

pentium 2.4 ht 800
Asus p4p800 mobo
1024 corsair ram matched 512

Same in both systems
Antec case
Antec 450 PSU
Audigy2
100 gig 8 meg cashe WD
lite-on dvd
LG CDRW

I posted scores to black death to mudmovers with old rig. They have never updated it. so it doesn't show. But It used to fall to 1 FPS Now it falls to 14 FPS I hqave done no tweaking or overclocking to achive this with the new system. I did with the old.

I have links and some info located at bottom of this page.
http://www.geocities.com/mad_squadron/Requirements.html?1038813990817

My conclusion is.

That you can't stick a big vid card in a medium machine expecting it to perform. You can how ever drive a weaker card alot faster with a larger machine.

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 11:19 AM
Hey Baldie. Somehow I missed your no ATI sentence.

Anyway, as someone said, you are a trouble maker for making this thread. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I am going to crash your plane again if you don't behave.

(BTW, I am using an nVidia card.)

For people that do not mind an ATI upgrade and have an older card, and do not want to spend too much, again, look at what I posted. Sell the HL2 for 30 bucks and you have a 100 dollar 9600 Pro (maybe, but good chance.). Not too shabby. (+ tax.)

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 12:54 PM
Good points, T_O_A_D.

Like in my case, where I still have an older GF2 card, but I'm pushing it with an XP1700@XP2600(333) = 2.088GHz. I'm on excellent settings at 1024x768x32 and can average 50 FPS on a clean map.

I can see when my card becomes the bottleneck, too. It does great for normal dogfighting, but it certainly bogs down under heavy smoke, fire, AAA tracers and an explosion all at the same time. It just doesn't have the fill rate or memory bandwidth to keep up. I'm looking forward to my next generation vid card.

Or whatever generation it is since 2001, when I got my GF2./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 01:05 PM
What if I have a $200 budget - what is best then?

(Edit: i have a geforce 4 4200ti MSI 128megs now)

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 02:39 PM
Then, you're in my boat, Recon. I'm also looking to spend the same amount and the best bang for the buck closest to $200 is a 9800 or an FX 5900. Unfortunately, the closest is on the high side of $200.00./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There is a Gigacube 9800 floating around that I've seen as low as $244, but I can't find stock anywhere. The 5900s can be had for low $200.00s. I just have my doubts about a card that is working so close to it's maximum fill rate. There's no headroom for lotsa action on the screen and I'm afraid of lower fps with the GF than with the Radeon during those times.

If your cap is $200.00, you could go with the Powercolor 9600 Pro. It only has the 4 pipelines enabled, but the Powercolor one is clocked at 400/680 and has a 256-bit interface. That means there's the possibility of enabling the other 4 pipelines through software mod./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Other 9600s are 128-bit memory interface and there is no chance of enabling the other 4 pipelines. Other possibilities are the 9800SE also only 4 pipelines enabled, but all are 256-bit interface.

However, if you're not going to spend the extra bucks for a 9800 non-Pro, which is just a lower clocked 9800 Pro, then if it was me, I'd get the 5900 over the 9600 Pro or 9800SE. My .02

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 02:50 PM
You folks need to get off my back. You don't have to reply to posts like this, so if you feel this is a "trolling", you are just as guilty as I.

As for my statement about ATI NOT being an option:

Three reasons...
Stereoscopy.
FreeBSD (accelerated) support
Preference. I've owned several different ATI products and did not enjoy the experience.

As for trading up to the 5900... I have 30 days to return the card. I'm going to wait because my mobo is about to die, and I want to see if replacing it will give me the horsepower needed to maintain acceptable framerates while in stereo mode. Since the display I plan to use has a max resolution of 800x600x32bit at 120 hz, I don't need a card that can do extreme resolutions... just decent antialiasing and stereoscopy.



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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 03:51 PM
Being system engineer and working with a lot of hardware from different manufacturers I understand just too well when anyone says - "ATI is not an option". Same here buddy. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Few days ago I have run "The Black Death" track test on my PC (P-4 (Hyper-Threading enabled), ASUS P4C800 Deluxe (Turbo mode enabled), 1GB of DDR400 CAS2 RAM, MSI FX5900-TD128 owerclocked to 460/950Mhz, 4xFSAA, 4xAF, TrackIR).
System is rock stable.

Resolution 1152x864x32, in the game all setting to the max, "Perfect" mode.
"fps START SHOW" set from rcu file.

I have got 32FPS average.

Getting hardest FPS hits not over the forests but over the cities or rivers (due to "perfect" water) but once switching to this mode and seeing how good the game looks cannot go back to "excellent" even if add another 25-30 fps.
Generally while playing online dogfight FPS never drops below 35 and 45 being typical.
Looking up the skies it jumps to about 120 fps.


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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 05:44 PM
Ahhh.....I love playing maxed out with my BBA 9800 Pro...
no debating it

"Never pet a burning dog."

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 05:45 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
- You folks need to get off my back.

You do know 'I' was just kidding with you? I guess I should have thrown 'sorry' in there. Sooo, sorry! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 06:21 PM
RealKill wrote:
- BaldieJr wrote:
-- You folks need to get off my back.
-
- You do know 'I' was just kidding with you? I guess
- I should have thrown 'sorry' in there. Sooo, sorry!

Don't sweat it ;-)

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 06:27 PM
I am not sorry, Baldie crapped in several threads with his fanboy posts so I still say he's a troll.

I am even beginning to believe Baldie is an Alter ego of RBJ.

XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 06:42 PM
Any thread that states that I am right, is bound to stir some controversy (people can't stand this).

Don't know why ATI people even entered the thread, maybe they just have a chip on their shoulder.

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Buzz_25th
11-04-2003, 08:17 PM
Sorry Ray. The 9800XT is a much better card than the 5900U.

I took out the 5900u and with no other changes installed a 9800XT. The difference was amazing to me. Much more obvious than any test i've read. Not just in FB either, but every single game i've tried.

You can believe this or not. I do run FB is 1600 res 4xfsaa 16x AF. I use it on all maps in simple Excellent settings with zero stutters or jaggies. I never could come close to this with the 5900.

Another game I like is F1 99-02. I used to run with the 5900 1280 res and no fsaa. If I tried fsaa it would drop my normal 40 fps in the teens. With the 9800XT i'm using 1280 res 6x fsaa and getting 60 fps all the time. No bull!

I could go on about other games with simular results, but it's not important to this thread. The 9800XT is a better card for FB bottom line.

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 08:25 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Sorry Ray. The 9800XT is a much better card than the
- 5900U.
-
- I took out the 5900u and with no other changes
- installed a 9800XT. The difference was amazing to
- me. Much more obvious than any test i've read. Not
- just in FB either, but every single game i've tried.
-
-
- You can believe this or not. I do run FB is 1600
- res 4xfsaa 16x AF. I use it on all maps in simple
- Excellent settings with zero stutters or jaggies. I
- never could come close to this with the 5900.
-
-
- Another game I like is F1 99-02. I used to run with
- the 5900 1280 res and no fsaa. If I tried fsaa it
- would drop my normal 40 fps in the teens. With the
- 9800XT i'm using 1280 res 6x fsaa and getting 60 fps
- all the time. No bull!
-
-
- I could go on about other games with simular
- results, but it's not important to this thread. The
- 9800XT is a better card for FB bottom line.

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Buzz_25th
11-04-2003, 08:33 PM
Let me add that the colors are better with the 5900 card. The ATI cards still look washed out to me, but i'll live with it for smoother play.

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 09:04 PM
Buzz,

How about the 9600 against the 5700U? Which did you have better luck with?

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11-04-2003, 09:06 PM
Why do you think I tried those knucklehead?

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 09:09 PM
dont you know Buzz dont do mainstream ware?

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Buzz_25th
11-04-2003, 09:14 PM
Not until I run out of money anyway. Not very far away the way i'm going../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 09:17 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Why do you think I tried those knucklehead?
-

My knuckleheaded logic figures you've got some opinion of MID-PRICED CARDS, which just happen to be the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.

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When are you going to try the FX5950 and proclaim its worth/worthlessness?

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Buzz_25th
11-04-2003, 09:21 PM
The topic swayed to the 5900, and my post was directed at Ray.

Now put a cork in it, and go get drunk.

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 09:24 PM
Buzz, your sig is too big and I don't need pony picture any more cause I got my 1.2b pony. Now it's not a torture. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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Buzz_25th
11-04-2003, 09:32 PM
I have it too, and my pic is just right../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


I'll change it shortly though. I'm looking for a better one.

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 01:12 AM
Yes, but the 9800XT is the pinnacle of speed and price at this time and great for those who don't mind spending damn near $500.00+ for a vid card.

Pssst, it's just a faster clocked 9800 Pro that most Pros will overclock near or beyond./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Besides that and not to say people shouldn't buy as much speed as they can afford, I enjoy the fact that through the years, I've learned enough about computers to be dangerous and knowing the ease of overclockability in today's graphics cards, I'm hoping for an XT speed 9800 down the road./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Even if I only get Pro speeds out of one, I'll have saved $100.00+ for use towards my new 21" monitor that I can now afford from overclocking. I have to have something that shows off my new vid card and makes it work for it's money./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Buzz_25th
11-05-2003, 01:22 AM
Pssst...It's more than an overclocked 9800../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 01:27 AM
Not really, aside from the minor revision they made to the core, the R360, it's still a .15 micron core with the same architecture as the R350. It's just a matter of faster core/memory speed and a temp sensor./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

(edit: and a new circuit board layout.)

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 01:35 AM
Also, that is why the 9800Pro is always right behind the 9800XT in all the benchmarks, usually within a few frames./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Buzz_25th
11-05-2003, 01:42 AM
I've had both cards. The XT is much better than a few fps. You may think a pro will o/c to an XT, but you forget the XT will go further than default settings.


btw..Mine was free. Sorry.

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 01:52 AM
Free I understand, but I have seen Pros that make the default speeds of XTs. You are right that the XT has more headroom for overclocking as well and a plain 9800 would be hard pressed to get to default XT speeds, but it's doable./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The main thing they did with the R360 in the 9800XT is like the same thing a CPU manufacturer does with steppings of cores. They fixed minor errors and flaws in the die and relaid it out to be more efficient and run cooler. That's why they can attain the higher speeds with the same architecture and feature set.

Instead of just calling it a stepping of the R350 core, I think they realized they gained enough headroom to market a new card for those people who have to have the latest and greatest. I forgot you were on Falcon's upgrade plan. Cool for you, hehe./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Buzz_25th
11-05-2003, 02:01 AM
It has a much better heatsink with two fans. It looks like you could really crank it up. I'm so happy with the performance of it, that I haven't touched it yet.

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 02:59 AM
"Pssst...It's more than an overclocked 9800.."

No it's not: it has the exact same smoothvision and AF algos and the only difference is the new "overclocking built in feature" and it's only a 5mzh difference when the program reads it correctly-and another 128mb of memory (which doesn't mean anything in perfromace until the next year.)

Anyways I'm 30mhz over the core and 70hz over memory of XT speeds with a $240 9800nonpro @ 445/806 and stock cooling-If I decide to go O2 I"m going to spend maybe $100 (cost of a 9800pro and will be able to go 100mhz over both)-tweakers allways win.

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Message Edited on 11/04/0306:04PM by Rogodin

Buzz_25th
11-05-2003, 03:03 AM
Groan...

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 03:07 AM
Why the groan..... buzz

I'm just letting you know that your propositions aren't godlike-unless you're god you won't have trouble dealing with it.

I've refused to pay top dollar (I"m not retired and I'm not running out of money-I like to save it) for products that don't warrant the expenditure.

It my opinion and it's what I pass on to my customers-just like I'd do if you were mine-and not falcon's.

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Buzz_25th
11-05-2003, 03:13 AM
Groan again. I give. You are the master of video cards, and i'm a mere peasant.

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 03:28 AM
That's my sense of it all, Rogodin. I study the cards, find the highest one and drop a notch or two below it, if it's the same basic performance, just clocked lower.

That way I can make up for the speed in overclocking, just like I do with my, at the time, $50.00 XP1700 at XP2600(333) which at the time was selling for about $175.00./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

It's not about not wanting the fastest, Buzz, or about envy...ok, maybe a little healthy envy sometimes/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif , it's about whatever reasons prompt others to have to do more finagling to make up for lack of capital to get there from here, hehe./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 03:37 AM
Some people just have occupations and hobbies that they like to explore-video cards are one of mine (besides tweaking cars with turbos-my 92 900SPG Saab is highly teaked and is running 12lbs of boost with water injection, 3lb FI, jacobs iginition, large ductwork, coolair intake, intercooler remounting, and apc remapping with more fuel and air coming on at redline)-I just like to tweak /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

That doesn't mean anything besides the fact that know how to get the max performance out of almost everything (including john deere combines, and toasters).

I'm just pointing out the fact that your statement wasn't valid because of my experience, nothing more nothing less.

Vee ne ª?¥²ü¿*¨*, Ya ¯¦¨²¥ü*é

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Buzz_25th
11-05-2003, 03:42 AM
Envy? There is nothing to envy how anybody plays a video game, or what equipment they use. You would have a sad life if you did.

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11-05-2003, 03:52 AM
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Here is what I'm shooting for next /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

A NA 96 900S with 285hp at the wheels with NO TURBO LAG /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 04:15 AM
and for the rednecks who didn't quite follow this thread...

Translation:

lookie what i got
so what?
aint it pretty?
mines bigger.
bull!
looksee!
damn it is!
i am king. you suck
i dont know about that
bow before me heathen
eat me
all shall bask in my glory yada yada yada...


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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 04:18 AM
Thank you for the acknowledgement Baldie:
"all shall bask in my glory."

Pilate didn't even put the words in my mouth as well as you Baldie /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 04:20 AM
Easy there Buzzado, hardware envy was a light-hearted joke. I don't envy anybody's life, certainly not yours and especially not the way you play the game./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I have a perfectly good life of my own, thanks. I was merely pointing out some of the reasons why some not-so-quite-as-filled-in-as-others spend loads of cash on performance that can be gained by overclockers, through a little reading and some smart planning, allowing more money to be spent where you have to like monitors and memory or HDDs. Others with families like me, have to balance what goes where, but that's not the point.

You take things way too seriously, but do as the internet guides you, I guess. That's all I ever put into what I see on the net about a game. When it comes to comparing real lives, I only know of anyone what I've read here and only post within the game's context, usually. Methinks you read a wee bit too deep, Buzz./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Buzz_25th
11-05-2003, 04:30 AM
That was way to easy. Get the hook out of your mouth Slick and lets move on.

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 04:47 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- Don't send in the rebate yet BaldieJr so you can
- still return the 5700 if needed
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- I have shown the review of the 5700U vs the 5900U
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- <a
- href="http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031023
- /index.html"
- target=_blank>http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/
- 20031023/index.html</a>
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- And here is the review of 5900 vs 5900U
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- <a
- href="http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_gefo
- rce_fx5900-td128_review/page13.asp"
- target=_blank>http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/
- msi_geforce_fx5900-td128_review/page13.asp</a>
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Hey Ray that is a pretty interesting article... I may be able to pick up a 5900 for like... dirt cheap..(under $100) at that price it is a no brainer and with that performance in FB at the resolutions mentioned ....hmmmmmmmm

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 05:09 AM
Can I be a stripped bass?????

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 06:02 AM
If only you were that shrewd, Buzz./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Buzz_25th
11-05-2003, 06:16 AM
Do I have to be to fool you../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif I've been practicing for a long time../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 06:24 AM
As it goes, even the leading hitters miss a curve now and then./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ...bastage./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 06:33 AM
HEY

I want to be a bass gawd damn it.

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Buzz_25th
11-05-2003, 06:34 AM
Ok your a bass.

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 06:36 AM
Just don't go chasing any lures, Rogodin./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 06:42 AM
I sure as hell won't be chasing any BUZZ-BAITs.

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T_O_A_D
11-05-2003, 08:06 AM
Rogodin wrote:
- I sure as hell won't be chasing any BUZZ-BAITs.
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- rogo
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Yeh I know! I was using a CrankBait! So now what am I to do with ya? Toss ya back?Throw ya in the livewell, give a litte free boat ride. then toss ya back?


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