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TheKetamineKid
04-18-2004, 01:47 AM
There is only one way to fly the 109 and that is with the auto prop pitch turned off. I have noticed recently that there have been many converts to manual pitch and wish them every success in the future as it provides increased acceleration and gives the plane that extra bit of speed when u need it. This only adds to the realism of the game in general as it is quite difficult to master and gets a bit embarrassing when u fry ur engine on take off in VOW or VEF.

Combined with full real this is a most immersive experience that can only benefit the serious simmers out there.

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TheKetamineKid
04-18-2004, 01:47 AM
There is only one way to fly the 109 and that is with the auto prop pitch turned off. I have noticed recently that there have been many converts to manual pitch and wish them every success in the future as it provides increased acceleration and gives the plane that extra bit of speed when u need it. This only adds to the realism of the game in general as it is quite difficult to master and gets a bit embarrassing when u fry ur engine on take off in VOW or VEF.

Combined with full real this is a most immersive experience that can only benefit the serious simmers out there.

~S~

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F19_Ob
04-18-2004, 02:32 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif.....well, when I think my handling, tactics and deflectionskills are perfected I guess I may convert to manual proppitch, but as I have said earlier, I dont need it to do well in the 109. For me its all about positioning and anglescalculation and often I work hard to loose speed instead of gaining it.

Guess it is different attitudes to fighting....and people may do as they want but I humbly belive it is secondary to above skills.

cheers!

Nero111
04-18-2004, 05:43 AM
I agree with KetamineKid.
Its especialy true for the older series 109's where the auto prop pitch is just tooo slooowwwww.
I have only recently started to do this and its darn hard to manage, if you get it wrong your engine pops in a millisecond, but if you get it right, you get loads more ummphhh outa your plane.
I to have never concentrated so much just flying a plane as I do now. You gotta have your wits about you.
Uncle Adolf's not to happy about all the overheated seized up engines Im generating though hehehe.
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Extreme_One
04-18-2004, 06:01 AM
I rarely fly Luftwaffe planes but when I do I use Auto prop-pitch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

I'm curious as to how this feature was used in RL. It seems strange to me that the aircraft designers would put in a tool (and continued to do so with each update) if no-one was using it.

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ImpStarDuece
04-18-2004, 09:01 AM
Still finding manual prop pitch a bit much, seem to be able to burn out a 109's engine in record time.

Any good resources for prop pitch n00bs out there?

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Bearcat99
04-18-2004, 11:11 AM
I agree 100%. I flew the 109s a bit (I like to try all the planes) but the FW WAS my favorite LW plane. Not any more.. I find it takes a bit of getting used to and i am still on the curve.. but man what a difference. Thats why I wish we had the option to toggle manual/auto pitch and mixture on all ofour planes.. it would give so much more precise control over the plane.

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michapma
04-19-2004, 07:30 AM
I can't prove it of course, but from everything I've read the 109s were always used with the automatic mechanism. Certainly that seems to be what the 109 flight manuals recommend. I've never seen any evidence that the behavior we have in FB corresponds to the real aircraft.

For that reason, in my opinion it falls under the category of exploit. I have no problem with anyone using it, and have used it myself to some extent (although adjusting the pitch to maintain a higher rpm than auto would give, as opposed to racing the rpm up and down repeatedly). However, I don't see how it can be considered realistic, unless my understanding of realism is way off, since there seems to be no evidence of it being used in this way during operation of the real thing. Immersion is more individual, but for me switching off auto to get more power also goes against immersion...

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DangerForward
04-21-2004, 02:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheKetamineKid:
There is only one way to fly the 109 and that is with the auto prop pitch turned off. I have noticed recently that there have been many converts to manual pitch and wish them every success in the future as it provides increased acceleration and gives the plane that extra bit of speed when u need it. This only adds to the realism of the game in general as it is quite difficult to master and gets a bit embarrassing when u fry ur engine on take off in VOW or VEF.

Combined with full real this is a most immersive experience that can only benefit the serious simmers out there.

~S~

"Who said horse tranquilizer was bad for you?" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've often wondered if the need to use manual pitch is realistic. I don't really use it myself on most planes. It's especially strange to me that it's needed on late war planes like the K4 or TA152.

From reading various pilot accounts past the early war period it seems to me that it's rarely mentioned. Pilots talk a lot about setting trim, but little mention of pitch use. Then again I'm also surprised when still living Luftwaffe pilots seem to have a hard time remembering if their planes had methol-water units. Maybe using it was so routine they didn't really think about it.

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