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gevaha
03-21-2004, 03:12 AM
I hear several people tell that the geforce4mx440 is an "old video card", so you must just buy a newer card ... I think that UBSIFOT would have a lot more of clients who want to buy the PANDORA TOMORROW if they also supports this "older cards" ... The 1st sc was a fantastic game , so I (and a lot of other GEFORCE 2 OR 4 MX-gamers )should be very
happy if UBISOFT can make a patch so we can also play those PANDORA TOMORROW ...
UBISOFT must not always think about "the rich" people, but also at the people who can not buy every 2 months a new video-card ...

gevaha
03-21-2004, 03:12 AM
I hear several people tell that the geforce4mx440 is an "old video card", so you must just buy a newer card ... I think that UBSIFOT would have a lot more of clients who want to buy the PANDORA TOMORROW if they also supports this "older cards" ... The 1st sc was a fantastic game , so I (and a lot of other GEFORCE 2 OR 4 MX-gamers )should be very
happy if UBISOFT can make a patch so we can also play those PANDORA TOMORROW ...
UBISOFT must not always think about "the rich" people, but also at the people who can not buy every 2 months a new video-card ...

Major_A
03-21-2004, 04:50 AM
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dagrommit
03-21-2004, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>UBISOFT must not always think about "the rich" people, but also at the people who can not buy every 2 months a new video-card ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As noted elsewhere:

(a) The MX cards were obsolete the day they came out - two years ago.
(b) More and more games require pixel shader support - Prince of Persia and Deus Ex Invisible War are two examples. If you want to play them, it's time to upgrade.

jynxycat
03-21-2004, 04:47 PM
playing SC 1 with a MX440 is a crime.

how can you play it without all the gorgeous effects turned on :l

fallout500
03-23-2004, 05:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> (a) The MX cards were obsolete the day they came out - _two years_ ago.
(b) More and more games require pixel shader support - Prince of Persia and Deus Ex Invisible War are two examples. If you want to play them, it's time to upgrade.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have said this in another thred but I think i will say it again, Steam did a survey for halflife2, 647,599 ppl replyed from all over the world! (ubi guys take note surveys are clever things!) and they found out that about 30% of there gaming population have a geforce 4 series card and over 10% have a geforce 2 series card .. ubi are hardly gonna make there game not work on 40%(259.039ppl) of there customers machines are they ! if the game is 40 a pop thats a lot of dosh lost. Just becase they think like you do ? and think it dont matter the geforce mx are dated we wont make it work on it, we dont mind loosing all thoses customers ! I bet the money ppl at ubi would have summints to say about that !

[This message was edited by fallout500 on Tue March 23 2004 at 04:37 PM.]

Dabest910
03-23-2004, 05:58 PM
But Those Card's Can Use The Advance Light And Pixel Shading. So It Can Work Anyway

fallout500
03-23-2004, 06:06 PM
would it not have been a good idea to make it able to switch thoses features off so the 40% odd of ppl could play the game though !

Dabest910
03-23-2004, 06:21 PM
a geforce FX 5200 costs around $100...
and u couldnt switch those features off they make the shadows and lighting effects

Major_A
03-23-2004, 08:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dabest910:
a geforce FX 5200 costs around $100...
and u couldnt switch those features off they make the shadows and lighting effects<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See my link above.

http://wayoutwest.ugs1.net

kaloyer
03-26-2004, 06:57 PM
download new drivers, worked for me

WIN XP/2000 Drivers (http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp-2k_41.09.html)

WIN 98/ME Drivers (http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_41.09.html)

silhouette9
03-26-2004, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kaloyer:
download new drivers, worked for me

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp-2k_41.09.html

[URL=http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_41.09.html<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just updated my drivers, but the game still didn't run. Not sure why, tho. I'm using a GeForce4 MX 440 as well.

Hagmen
03-27-2004, 08:07 AM
The Geforce 4 MX is not out of day and there is no reason to why this game does not support them, this is no where need to same level off graphic as some of the new game out ie farcry and breed and there support MX series, if ubi will not support it that an own goal for them as they will lose alot of people from buying it, the game will never be that good that everyone with MX serie will buy a new graphic card just for one game, get real

silhouette9
03-27-2004, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hagmen:
The Geforce 4 MX is not out of day and there is no reason to why this game does not support them, this is no where need to same level off graphic as some of the new game out ie farcry and breed and there support MX series, if ubi will not support it that an own goal for them as they will lose alot of people from buying it, the game will never be that good that everyone with MX serie will buy a new graphic card just for one game, get real<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I wonder if this' all intentional, say when game Devs put in new features only supported by newer cards -- you're _forced_ to upgrade. Sounds "Microsoftish" to me. I ran pandora_detection.exe, and the only thing the MX card doesn't support is that "Required Pixel Shader". Gotta figure out how to "emulate" it in 3D-Analyzer. :s

I remember Painkiller wasn't going to be supported with MX cards, but LATER they added a renderer or something for it to work! And it did! So there is a fricken' solution, it's up to the Devs to work it out, unless Nvidia's paying them to STFU about it.

See these three posts: http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=34405&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

CTU_Soviet
03-27-2004, 02:43 PM
You cant man. 3D analyse only sets the right bits to fool the game that the card supports pixel vertex shading. But it does not emulate the pixel vertex shading!

boktai
03-28-2004, 05:58 AM
Why this? It's okay that videogame companies always want to improve... but this pixel shader thing is really annoying... The majority of people does not have the money to buy a new video card every 2 months... I look forward that Ubi could realease a patch that fixed it, even if the performance of the game lowers a bit..

Angered
03-28-2004, 12:09 PM
Wow, with that attitude towards technology we'd still be living in caves.
You guys want a perfect game: highly realistic graphics, intelligent AI, smooth gameplay, 3d sound but you still want to use a completly out of date piece of hardware? Sorry, but that's not going to happen, magic just doesn't exist. Wake up man.
By the way to emulate them you'd probably have to implement the whole rendering pipeline in software, kind of defeats the purpose of graphic cards. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Lure.
03-28-2004, 01:04 PM
Well.. I aint rich either and Im 16yrs old, but I do have a Club-3d Ati Radeon 9600xt 128mb worth 180 (with hl2 coupon) and UT2004 and Battlefield Vietnam (expecting to get BF:VN this week..http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

But theres also a thing called work http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I worked my *** off last year december when we had 2weeks vacation (25 dec 2003 - 8jan 2004 &lt; something like that)
I worked my *** of and look what it got me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I hope you're &gt;14 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

**Oh, also a DVDdrive. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
only 32euros though..

Lend me some sugar, I am your neighbor.

[This message was edited by Lure. on Wed March 31 2004 at 09:49 AM.]

dagrommit
03-30-2004, 02:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>get real<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BWAHAHAHA. Take a look at this review from FEBRUARY 2002

http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2002q1/geforce4/index.x?pg=1

Notice the second chart? See the column entitled PIXEL SHADERS? compare the GF4MX with the GF3. See the difference?

The GF4MX was made to be sold by the likes of Dell/Gateway/emachines to those who don't know any better. I said it before, PC gaming has always required keeping up to date with technology. If you can't afford to do that, or don't want to, then getting a $149 console would be the more sensible option. At least the FREE demo has given you the chance to discover this before spending your money.

alex-the-cat
04-01-2004, 10:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fallout500:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> (a) The MX cards were obsolete the day they came out - _two years_ ago.
(b) More and more games require pixel shader support - Prince of Persia and Deus Ex Invisible War are two examples. If you want to play them, it's time to upgrade.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have said this in another thred but I think i will say it again, Steam did a survey for halflife2, 647,599 ppl replyed from all over the world! (ubi guys take note surveys are clever things!) and they found out that about 30% of there gaming population have a geforce 4 series card and over 10% have a geforce 2 series card .. ubi are hardly gonna make there game not work on 40%(259.039ppl) of there customers machines are they ! if the game is 40 a pop thats a lot of dosh lost. Just becase they think like you do ? and think it dont matter the geforce mx are dated we wont make it work on it, we dont mind loosing all thoses customers ! I bet the money ppl at ubi would have summints to say about that !

[This message was edited by fallout500 on Tue March 23 2004 at 04:37 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GF4 means GF4-4200,4400,4600 and 4800 aka REAL DX8.1 cards from nV

ALL "MX-suffixed" cards ARE DX7 cards, eventhough "GF4" is being printed on the card/box.

Be infromed and don't be fooled by nV marketing gurus.

Take a look:
http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2002q1/geforce4/index.x?pg=4

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[This message was edited by alex-the-cat on Thu April 01 2004 at 10:02 PM.]

ihateall
04-03-2004, 09:02 PM
I have a " NVIDIA 64MB DDR GeForce3 Ti 200 )dell)" Now wat the hell was ubi thinking when they only saw thru their *******s when they made this game, having ppl spend cash on the game, and having ppl spend twice as much on a damn videocard for ONE game, and most of your are calling it great? jfc, mite as well stick your new vid-cards in ur *** because those of you need to get a life other than updating your computer. I just want to play the game with a smile, not mechanically breaking my computer down just to play it.

silhouette9
04-03-2004, 10:05 PM
Not to worry, in a couple of months to a year, the latest video cards now (to run this game) will be out of date sooner or later. And then those "supporters" who say "noobz, go spend teh $$ for a new 1" will have to run out and get one too.

It's just a matter of time! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

" ownt "