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WTE_Ibis
04-06-2004, 02:45 AM
I'm about to lay down hard earned cash.
Can enyone tell me if this is a good choice?
I bought X45 hotas but don't like the stick.
Any advice on this would be appreciated,
thanks in advance. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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WTE_Ibis
04-06-2004, 02:45 AM
I'm about to lay down hard earned cash.
Can enyone tell me if this is a good choice?
I bought X45 hotas but don't like the stick.
Any advice on this would be appreciated,
thanks in advance. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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Capt.LoneRanger
04-06-2004, 04:04 AM
I fly with a CH Fighterstick for 8 years, now. It's an old gameport version, so I cannot change programming - thought this is not a real problem, because a setup is stored inside the stick.

The precision of the CH-products is unparallel, as is the reliability. I never changed any poti and they still center WAY better than my X45 I bought a year ago.

Yes, I have bought a never stick. I tested more than one, to be correct and I'm still stuck with my old HOTAS.

The centering is perfect. Not as sluggish as the X45 centering.
The resistance of the stick is brilliant. With both axis using independant springs for resistance, you always have a good feeling what input you're giving. Way better than the X45 does.
You can even modify the stick very easily. I replaced the springs by rubber bands, making the handling of the stick even more easy. These modifications are much easier done than with Cougars, for example.

I can only absolutely recommend CH products and especially the CH Fighterstick! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

greets
Capt.LoneRanger

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F16_Abe
04-06-2004, 04:46 AM
Hi!
I have the newer USB-stick and it still feels as new after 2 years heavy use. It still has that great precision and centering.

It is also very easy to configure with the powerful software downloadable at CH.

There is one point I am not happy with though, and it is the position of the POV. Even if I have pretty big hands I can not reach it comfortable.

In combination with the CH pro throttle this is no big deal though, since the pro throttle gives excellent control over the views by using the POV, or by programming the minijoystick as a mouse.

I would absolutely recommend the CH-fighterstick, but only if you have another way of controlling the views.

/Abe

RevvinUK
04-06-2004, 05:17 AM
Capt.LoneRanger> You might be interested in this (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=324) utility that allows CH Gameport users to program their sticks using a boot disk in WinXP.

I use a CH USB Fighterstick and find the spring tension perfect for IL-2. The programmability provided by the CH Control Manager software means it's one of the most programmable sticks available while also offering durability. I know of quite a few users with 8 or more year old CH sticks still working like new. The good thing is you can buy the controllers one at a time as your budget allows and build up to a really good HOTAS. You'll find profiles for IL-2 and many other games for CH controllers at the link in my sig.

Revvin

The CH Hangar - Profiles, scripting ideas and discussion for CH users (http://www.ch-hangar.com)

Capt.LoneRanger
04-06-2004, 06:05 AM
Hey, many thanks for the link! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

I'll try that!

greets
Capt.LoneRanger

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tigerroach
04-06-2004, 06:29 AM
I just installed the CH suite and love it. The fighterstick is head and shoulders above the more "mainstream" sticks I have used in the past. In addition to the advantages cited above, you get outstanding support from CH Products and other users from the link in Revvin's post above.

RevvinUK
04-06-2004, 11:11 AM
CH have been very supportive of the site and are very active in the flightsim community in general.

Revvin

The CH Hangar - Profiles, scripting ideas and discussion for CH users (http://www.ch-hangar.com)

bodaw
04-06-2004, 12:15 PM
I guess you get used to what you have http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. In my case I've had X36 for 5 years and recently swithched to CH Fighterstick. Yes, CH is more precise and durable but like someone said, the POV hat switch is way up there. The pinky button gets in the way. And most of all I couldn't get over that light springy feeling. I guess I'd have to put rubber band inside the thing to compensate. I also find the CH programming software a bit nerve wrecking to use. Saitek's SST software is not as powerful as CH's but a lot easier to program the buttons. Just highlight the button and press the desired key on the keyboard.Just my .02 cents.

RevvinUK
04-06-2004, 02:37 PM
I liked the old SST software but find the CH software just as easy, highlight a button and press the desired key. Downloading a profile is two clicks from opening the software, load the profile into Control Manager then another click to download it to your controllers.

Revvin

The CH Hangar - Profiles, scripting ideas and discussion for CH users (http://www.ch-hangar.com)

VF-10_Snacky
04-06-2004, 04:07 PM
As a former Cougar owner who sold his cougar to buy CH I can honestly say I LOVE IT!
Best HOTAS out there bar none.

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Lav69
04-06-2004, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kneebonejockey:
I'm about to lay down hard earned cash.
Can enyone tell me if this is a good choice?
I bought X45 hotas but don't like the stick.
Any advice on this would be appreciated,
thanks in advance. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What don't you like about the X45?

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horseback
04-06-2004, 08:21 PM
kneebone-j

You didn't mention whether or not you have rudder pedals-the CH Products sticks do not have the twist rudder axis (thank God!!!), so if you don't have the Pro Pedals or some lesser alternative, you may want to rethink your budget for a Flight control system.

I have the Combatstick/Throttle/Pedals and I love 'em. As noted, the POV hat on the stick is hard to reach unless you have the hands (or at least the thumbs) of the average NBA player, but the throttle also has a POV hat and it's much easier to use. I reassigned the POV hat on the stick as a regular hat switch and put my elevator and rudder trims on it.

cheers

horseback

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RxMan
04-06-2004, 08:28 PM
I have been using CH since the first 2 button flight stick, that I used on the Amiga flight sims, and I still have it, albeit in a box !
I've had every catagory of CH products and would use nothing else.

WTE_Ibis
04-07-2004, 04:06 AM
CptLoneRanger,F16_Abe,Revin_uk,Tigerroach,Bodaw,Se awolf,Lav69,Horseback and
RX Man,I thank you for your response and
am glad that most of you are happy with your
CH products.I am ordering mine today and
your input makes the decision much easier.
Horseback,I don't have rudder pedals but they
are next on the list,meantime I hope to use
X45 throttle with rudder control.Thanks for reply.
Lav69, X45 stick,sticky in center position
where you absolutely need it smooth then moves suddenly.Support said rub a candle on your moving parts??This can be painfull if you melt
candle onto your moving parts!don't do it!
someone on these forums said to use deoderant
on it as its a good lubricant, well I must admit it stinks less but still not to my liking
Throttle is great but rudder rocker is hard to reach when throttle fully forward.
Let me say "to each his own" for I know many
swear by the X45 and I am happy for them.
Again I thank all who responded,the people
here are what makes this game,er,sorry,SIM,even
greater.
cheers, kneebone.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-07-2004, 06:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RxMan:
I have been using CH since the first 2 button flight stick, that I used on the Amiga flight sims, and I still have it, albeit in a box !
I've had every catagory of CH products and would use nothing else.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL...Same here. I used and loved the original Flightstich and have used just about every CH controller since then. Oh, sure, I've tried others. Even went through an extended period of using MSFFB2, but CH is where it's at...period.



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Flying_Nutcase
04-07-2004, 06:31 AM
Hi,

I've only used the MS Force Feedback 2 and having done so, I swear by the forcefeedback in terms of 'immersion' and sensitivity to knowing when you're approaching a stall.

The CH products are clearly very good, but what do you guys think about a non-force feedback stick. Surely it's a kind of sterile experience?

I'm genuinely interested because I would love to buy CH stuff. It's the lack of FFB that has stopped me so far.


Ta,


Nutcase

RevvinUK
04-07-2004, 10:02 AM
I missed my old CH Force FX stick so I bought an MSFF2 stick but did'nt get on with the twist throttle. I'd like to have force feedback again and perhaps CH will do a USB version of their old Force FX Stick (which uses the same handle style as the CH Combatstick BTW) Take a look at the site in my sig, the poll on the front page is a copy of a poll started by CH in the forums on that site where they asked for users feedback.

Revvin

The CH Hangar - Profiles, scripting ideas and discussion for CH users (http://www.ch-hangar.com)

Flying_Nutcase
04-07-2004, 10:14 AM
Thanks Revvin.

Any more comments about FFb vs non-FFB?

El Turo
04-07-2004, 10:29 AM
Regarding the X45:

I've owned mine for a little over a year now and have enjoyed it, but the stick has developed a rediculous amount of center play slop that I cannot deadband out (they are notorious for this as well as hats wearing out, although I only have one hat that is just now beginning to exhibit issues).

On the throttle, make sure you REVERSE THE AXIS so you pull toward yourself for full throttle.. this makes handling the throttle and reaching all the buttons much easier.

The rudder-rocker on the X45 is absolutely horrid, and nearly worthless in my opinion. Buy the CH Pro Pedals and be at peace! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

However, I DO love the rotary knobs. I use the index rotary to control prop pitch which works really well and the thumb rotary for elevator trim.

That's probably the single reason I haven't gone 100% CH in my setup.. I really have grown to love the rotary control. I really am sort of at a loss as to why the CH throttle doesn't include a rotary or two in the setup... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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Eagle_361st
04-07-2004, 11:22 AM
I have the whole set-up after blowing through 2 X-45's in one year. I can tell you that as far as accuracy and feel as well as reliability look no further than CH. And all of the buttons and possibilities is mind blowing, I am still playing around with it. But I imagine my CH set-up will last for years to come.

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JZG-Pedro
04-07-2004, 11:47 AM
I use a Combatstick 568 USB, which is ( or seems to be ) the Fighterstick with half the programmable functions.

I sign below every statement here. CH is really the way to go, you can't really go wrong with it. I just recommend you to play with one, or at least feel the stick before spending 90 -120 dollars on one.

cheers!


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