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SkyChimp
02-05-2004, 06:15 PM

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02-05-2004, 06:15 PM

VW-IceFire
02-05-2004, 06:16 PM
Favorite PTO fighter...Corsair is a awesome plane with a history somewhat like that of the Tempest/Typhoon. Something of a unique design, optimized for speed, and misunderstood until later in its career it went on to become a superb carrier fighter after the bugs were worked out and it was an excellent complementary fighter alongside the Hellcat.

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crazyivan1970
02-05-2004, 06:17 PM
the one that has 4 50cals and 2 20mms, which one is that? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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SkyChimp
02-05-2004, 06:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
the one that has 4 50cals and 2 20mms, which one is that? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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None! That was certain Hellcats.

The F4U-1C had 4 20mms. It first saw action over Okinawa.

The F4U-4C had 4 20mms as well, but saw no action in WWII (the F4U-4 did see action, but it had 6 .50s)

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p1ngu666
02-05-2004, 06:47 PM
the brits sorted it for carrier work dont u forget http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
i dont know enuff to have a fave http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

SkyChimp
02-05-2004, 06:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
the brits sorted it for carrier work dont u forget http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
i dont know enuff to have a fave http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Corsairs are one of those planes that you can pick any model as your favorite, and you'd be right.

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p1ngu666
02-05-2004, 07:05 PM
british one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SkyChimp
02-05-2004, 07:14 PM
http://www.flightjournal.com/fj/images/plane_profiles/corsair/a.jpg

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JR_Greenhorn
02-05-2004, 07:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Other (AU-1, F2G, please specify) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>F2G all the way! How can you not love that engine? True, the R-2800 affords the plane more graceful lines, but that engine is what R-2800s want to be when they grow up.



There is a small air museum near my uni that has a standard F4U as well as an ex-racer F2G-1. The hangar has a glass wall on the street side, and the sight of those two planes side by side at night with the lights shinig on them. . .

VW-IceFire
02-05-2004, 08:22 PM
Mmmmm HVARS. We need more HVAR equipped fighters http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SkyChimp
02-05-2004, 08:33 PM
Of all the Corsair variants, the most interesting to me wasn't a fighter version.

The AU-1 was a dedicated ground attack aircraft built specifically for the Marines. It was the only Corsair to fly with an R-2800 engine with a single stage supercharger. Designed solely for ground support, it was extremely heavily armored and carried a unbelievably heavy load. Max take-off weight was 19,500 lbs. Compare that to the F4U-4, with a max take-off weight of 14,000 lbs.
This variant served in Korea.

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TheGozr
02-05-2004, 08:44 PM
I'm wondering about that claim that the A-7 was the only U.S. Navy plane that could turn inside a Mig-17. Where did the A-4 stack up?


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jung0l
02-05-2004, 10:43 PM
well, I would think A-1 Skyraiders could out Mig-17's, how else could it have shot one down



oh, and whichever one Boyington flew

DONB3397
02-05-2004, 10:53 PM
If/when the PTO is done, it would be a non-starter without one or two Corsair variants. It was the only reason I hung with CFS2 for a long time. Based on my experience with 1C's FMs, I suspect the F4U would be modelled with some of the interesting quirks the real a/c had.

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chris455
02-05-2004, 11:14 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DONB3397:
If/when the PTO is done, it would be a non-starter without one or two Corsair variants. It was the only reason I hung with CFS2 for a long time. Based on my experience with 1C's FMs, I suspect the F4U would be modelled with some of the interesting quirks the real a/c had.

And, undoubtedly, some it didn't........... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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CoSWill
02-06-2004, 12:00 AM
In CFS2 we used to say it flew like a "Milk Truck" lol. I loved flying that thing and got pretty good with it. It sure had some firepower.

WhiskeyRiver
02-06-2004, 12:17 AM
F2G. All of the Hogs were great though.

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Zayets
02-06-2004, 01:16 AM
I love Corsair.Actually I'm working one right now (1:72).But I think it will be easy kill 1vs1 with any FW/Bf. Oh , and my vote goes to F4U5.

Zayets out

Rajvosa
02-06-2004, 01:55 AM
What's a "Corsair"? Never heard of it! Is it one of those Italian über-planes? Yes, I think it is, only they called it "Il Corsario"
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Cajun76
02-06-2004, 02:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
What's a "Corsair"? Never heard of it! Is it one of those Italian über-planes? Yes, I think it is, only they called it "Il Corsario"
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For the love of all things HOG, I hope you're joking. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

That's like looking crosseyed and asking what a Spitfire is, some kind of Polish biplane? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Don't have one favorite Corsair, I love them all, and one of the coolest looking birds to ever roar into the sky. We need a P-47N, Corsair, and HVARS, in that order, imo. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Rajvosa
02-06-2004, 02:12 AM
What?! You mean to tell me that Spitfireovsky was not a Polish biplane?!?

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Of course I'm joking mate! Corsair is one of the most easily recognizable WWII fighters and definitely the best US naval fighter in that conflict.

Only it's yet to win my heart. Currently it's occupied by Spit and Mustang (yeah, I LOVE inline engines. Ooops... you guys like radials, right?)

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Cajun76
02-06-2004, 02:36 AM
Radials bring me home more often. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The inlines I like the best are: P-40, Bf-109F/G2, and P-38.

Not to hijack the thread, though, having the 4 cannon variant of the Corsair would be awesome, although 6 .50cals may have longer duration of "trigger time." How much ammo could the two main variants of cannon Corsair and 6 X .50cal equipped Corsair carry?

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zugfuhrer
02-06-2004, 02:45 AM
Ive heard the nickname "widowmaker" about this plane, because it was so hard to land on a carrier.

Cajun76
02-06-2004, 02:58 AM
I'm not sure about that particular nic, I have heard "Ensign Eliminator." The Corsair had a very powerful, torqueing engine. At the slow speeds of a carrier approach, a sudden increase? decrease? of power near stall speed would make the a/c dip a wing and stall at the worst possible time, no speed or altitude. It took a steady, confident hand on the throttle to do it right.

The Japanese called it "Whistling Death"

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WhiskeyRiver
02-06-2004, 03:00 AM
"Widowmaker" was the B-26's nickname. "Ensign Eliminator" was the Corsair.

All the torque from that huge prop made it very easy to torque roll into the drink on a bolter.

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p1ngu666
02-06-2004, 08:06 AM
that and it took the brits to realise a curved aproach and shock absorbers where a good idea.
my fave is the first protype http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and the last ones..

voyager_663rd
02-06-2004, 08:42 AM
My FG-1D (mine will NOT have the yellow cowl) as flown by Lt H Gray, DSC, VC, RCNVR.

my work-in-progress 1/8th scale RC bird: http://img13.photobucket.com/albums/v37/voyager_663rd/corsair_27.jpg

SpinSpinSugar
02-06-2004, 08:57 AM
Something that's always interested me about carrier fighters is just how they got the wing hinge to be strong enough to pull lots of G on.

I mean where's the concept of main spars go? There doesn't appear to be an awful lot going on in those hinges. How's the interlock provide as much structural integrity as a traditional wing?

I can understand it if it was something that was bolted together by ground crew but a lot of aircraft seem to have self-powered wing folding mechanisms. Any instances of these things failing in flight?

Sorry, that was a lot of waffle. Any enlightening answers appreciated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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MiloMorai
02-06-2004, 10:19 AM
There was a little piece of sheet metal(~1"x6") that was added to the starboard wing's leading edge just outboard of the mg position. This eliminated the stall that help earn it its nick.

One must also remember that those Ensigns coming out of flight school had been flying 500hp a/c and were now flying 2000hp a/c. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif



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02-06-2004, 10:22 AM
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p1ngu666
02-06-2004, 10:58 AM
did tuskegee airmen ever get a corsair? if i remmber vaguly they had p39, p47 and mustang

MiloMorai
02-06-2004, 11:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
did tuskegee airmen ever get a corsair? if i remmber vaguly they had p39, p47 and mustang<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The were USAAF not USN fliers.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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grinman
02-06-2004, 01:49 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Yeah But let's not gang up on him. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MZ6
02-06-2004, 02:52 PM
While on the subject of Corsairs, can someone tell me what the white stripe pattern infont of the cockpit was for. I suspect it's to help land because of its long nose, but I'm just guessing.

If and when it comes, I really hope it's not another P-47, it you know what I mean. Just the other day I was flying head on at an La7, doin' 450+ kph. Before we passed each other, I managed to get a few rounds into its engine and it started to smoke. Nevertheless, after we passed, the La7 was able to turn 180 degrees and catch up to me, eventhough I continued to fly straight and the La had a damaged engine!!!

MiloMorai
02-06-2004, 02:58 PM
I think you mean the tape that was used to seal the joints. Oil tended to seep out.

If the closing speed was say 800kph that would mean after you past each other you would have ~6km seperation.(800kph =13.3k/min)

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crazyivan1970
02-06-2004, 03:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
the one that has 4 50cals and 2 20mms, which one is that? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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None! That was certain Hellcats.

The F4U-1C had 4 20mms. It first saw action over Okinawa.

The F4U-4C had 4 20mms as well, but saw no action in WWII (the F4U-4 did see action, but it had 6 .50s)

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw it in airshow in Reading PA. 2x20mm, 4x50cals. Aerobatics were pretty impressive too.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

MiloMorai
02-06-2004, 03:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:

I saw it in airshow in Reading PA. 2x20mm, 4x50cals. Aerobatics were pretty impressive too.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ivan, it must have been 'dressed up' for no F4U had mixed guns.(have never come across such a gun configeration)



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crazyivan1970
02-06-2004, 03:15 PM
Could be Milo, just thoght this config is nice, 50 cals to soften up and 20s to finish off hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

MZ6
02-06-2004, 03:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
If the closing speed was say 800kph that would mean after you past each other you would have ~6km seperation.(800kph =13.3k/min)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So are you saying that a La7 should be able to do that?!

MiloMorai
02-06-2004, 03:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MZ6:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
If the closing speed was say 800kph that would mean after you past each other you would have ~6km seperation.(800kph =13.3k/min)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So are you saying that a La7 should be able to do that?!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not at all.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That is a total bs flight manuever. You should be well gone by the time the La completed his U-turn, just a wee FB spec in the distance to the La driver, if that.



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MZ6
02-06-2004, 04:44 PM
Ok, I get it

SkyChimp
02-06-2004, 05:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:

I saw it in airshow in Reading PA. 2x20mm, 4x50cals. Aerobatics were pretty impressive too.

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Dunno, then. It must have been a field mod of some kind, because that's not the standard armament for any F4U Corsair.

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JR_Greenhorn
02-06-2004, 07:00 PM
I found a nice picture of that locally-owned F2G-1 (the only flying example in existance) I mentioned earlier, so I thought I would share it:
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F2G-1 #57 (http://www.airplanezone.com/Oshkosh/Scrapbook2002/page43.html)
Apparently, there are two other survivors. The owner of this one is restoring another (F2G-2), and the third is in a museum (in Airzona, I think).

[Hmmm, why the little red x syndrome?]

Blottogg
02-06-2004, 08:12 PM
I don't know enough about them yet to pick which version I'd fly in combat, but asthetically I'd go for the F4U-1D(?), with the three blade prop and the blown canopy. Even with the fixes made by the Brits and the USN, I don't think it would be my first choice on the boat though. Sorry, but I'd probably go for a Hellcat.

As for how the hinge mechanism stands up to the load, while it may look insubstantial in photos, that is only because it is in the context the whole aircraft, which is much larger than the wing hardware by comparison. The hinges and locking mechanism are very substantial cast or forged fittings (not sure which, though my guess is forged.) Like bomb racks or control surface mounting hinges, they're pretty hefty up close and personal.

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MiloMorai
02-07-2004, 12:31 AM
Blott, I would say forged. Cast does not have any grain.



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Tully__
02-07-2004, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MZ6:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
If the closing speed was say 800kph that would mean after you past each other you would have ~6km seperation.(800kph =13.3k/min)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So are you saying that a La7 should be able to do that?!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

_Not at all_.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That is a total bs flight manuever. You should be well gone by the time the La completed his U-turn, just a wee FB spec in the distance to the La driver, if that.



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Unless he started his turn after he was out of your field of view but before he passed your plane....


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MiloMorai
02-07-2004, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:

Unless he started his turn after he was out of your field of view but before he passed your plane....

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is not how it was described.

"Just the other day I was flying head on at an La7, doin' 450+ kph. Before we passed each other, I managed to get a few rounds into its engine and it started to smoke. Nevertheless, after we passed, the La7 was able to turn 180 degrees and catch up to me, even though I continued to fly straight and the La had a damaged engine!!!"

But, even if it was as you say, MZ6 should have been at least 3-4km away before the La completed its U-turn. 450kph = 7.5km/min.



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tagert
02-07-2004, 10:16 AM
Going Up
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Comming Down
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