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SidCheshire
06-13-2004, 10:33 AM
Is this going to be a feature as I believe many aircraft opened canpies on carrier ops?

SidCheshire
06-13-2004, 10:33 AM
Is this going to be a feature as I believe many aircraft opened canpies on carrier ops?

Fliger747
06-13-2004, 11:53 AM
I for one surely hope so! To see planes on deck with the canopies closed screams FAKE! Besides that visibility is better with it open, especially with some of the early heavily framed cockpits. When cruising along at a leisurely pace (much Pacific flying was done so to maximize range) having the "hood" open helps search for those bogies as well.

IV_JG51_Razor
06-13-2004, 11:56 AM
I think so. Luthier has posted pictures of a Corsair with the canopy open while sitting on the carrier deck, and I believe he has also mentioned in a post of his that the canopies would be functional.

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james8325
06-13-2004, 12:34 PM
i wonder if they will put in a feature, where having the cockpit open will lower aerodynamics, and therefore lower top speed. otherwise people would just leave it open all the time for more visibility.

Fliger747
06-13-2004, 03:53 PM
To be really realistic we will let the wind beat your head around enough that you can't read the instruments! Another reason that the hoods were often left open for "econ" cruise was just to stay cool in what was a hot muggy climate, at least below 10-15,000'

Fliger747
06-13-2004, 04:35 PM
Interesting idea! I did a couple of quick "test flights" in a 1% CFSII F4U 1D and a CFSIII F4U-4 to see if the canopy position made any speed difference. For the F4U-1D at 1000'MSL top speed with the canopy closed (No Water Meth) was 340 mph. Canopy open was about 14 mph slower! For the F4U-4 1% plane in CFSIII top speed at 10,000 MSL was 415 mph, no difference with the canopy open! Both are true airspeeds corrected for altitude and assuming a standard lapse rate.

stansdds
06-13-2004, 07:40 PM
Canopies were opened for:

Cooling, there was no air conditioning in fighters in those days.

Visibility, you could lean out just a little to see around the nose of the aircraft.

Safety, no ejection seats, so if something went terribly wrong, you needed to exit fast and opening the canopy would have eliminated "fast" from the exit.

heywooood
06-13-2004, 09:36 PM
most carrier takeoffs were also performed with the canopy open - in case of a stall or engine failure the pilot would have one less thing to do to get out alive.

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Cragger
06-14-2004, 12:16 AM
Not to mention the stresses from ditching could potentially warp the canopy and freeze it closed.

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yerpalal
06-14-2004, 05:35 PM
And besides, the pilot looked oh-so-dashing with the cockpit open . . . . .

SidCheshire
06-15-2004, 08:59 AM
You are reflecting what I think too, so here's hoping......... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Latico
06-15-2004, 06:04 PM
CFS2 had opening canopies, but they missed something. It seems to me that with the "top down" the noise from the engine and guns would be louder, not to mention the sound of the wind rushing past the cockpit.

I wonder if the Dev's of PF will take this into concideration. Just a thought, but not that important.

Cragger
06-15-2004, 06:53 PM
I don't think its 'missed' but rather purposely ommitted. the I-16 in Il-2 had wind noise which was removed in FB. ALOT of pilots from WW2 and even more so from before had their hearing permantely damaged from the noise of open cockpits/canopies, engines, and prop whine. The CO of the AVG Chestnut (I think I spelled that right) Was damn near deaf from flying open pit aircraft.

Alot of developers realize that it does no good to constantly pound a consumers ears with sounds which at high gain levels could hurt their hearing especially with headphones which focus the sound into the ear which alot of flight simmers wear. Or at the very least get obnoxious after a while.

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PlaneEater
06-15-2004, 08:10 PM
You mean the AVG's commander, Claire Chennault.

And I've never read anywhere about him being nearly deaf. Almost all pilots wore heavy sound attenuator / earphone combinations, even in closed cockpit aircraft. They had to have pretty heavy sound dampening to have any chance at all of hearing the radio, even when the speaker was right next to their ear.

Fliger747
06-15-2004, 09:33 PM
Say whaaaaaa?

Ah used to fly C130's (bout 3000 hrs) an ah canna hear so much!