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Jieitai_Tsunami
08-19-2004, 05:02 AM

Jieitai_Tsunami
08-19-2004, 05:02 AM

Zayets
08-19-2004, 05:09 AM
You forgot an option

I can't fly.

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Tully__
08-19-2004, 05:17 AM
Yes, it's the most realisting WW2 combat flight simulation I've ever played.

The AI cheat (they have a simpler flight model because our PC's don't have enough computing power to fly a "real" flight model).

WW2 small arms AA fire did look like star wars at night. The tracer and muzzle flash brightness in the game area a compromise between daylight and night brightness.

Most of the western states of the former Soviet Union are really that flat.

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Extreme_One
08-19-2004, 05:18 AM
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Instead of asking what we think why not tell us what you think?

I'm sure your insight will be fascinating. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

On second thoughts don't bother because we don't really care anyway. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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ElAurens
08-19-2004, 05:18 AM
Well, it is by far the best WW2 air combat flight sim. There will always be questions about specifics when it comes to "reality" and this sim's fidelity concerning reality. Most of which will always revolve around the Flight Models and the Damage Models. I refuse comment on the AI because once you get past the highly unrealistic head on merge accuracy, they are lame and predicitable. (Oops, guess I commented...)

The real problem with "reality" issues are the statistics used to develop the FMs. Whose are reliable? Whose were published for propaganda? Whose are utter fantasy? (RAF "tests" of P51s that never were in England for example). And whilst we are on the P51, it occurs to me that some of the performance figures for it in game must have come from the A model....

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Extreme_One
08-19-2004, 05:26 AM
(RAF "tests" of P51s that never were in England for example).

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif But the P-51 was being flown by the RAF long before the USAAF received it. The RAF came up with the nickname Mustang.

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VVS-Manuc
08-19-2004, 05:29 AM
Not only Russia is flat, also the FM, DM and AI are flat...and I even have a flat rate...

Zayets
08-19-2004, 05:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
The RAF came up with the nickname Mustang.
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Everyday I learn something new.Which is not bad.Not bad at all! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-19-2004, 05:38 AM
Actually, the Mustang was produced at the request of the British. They wanted a suitable aircraft for their engine. I think the RAF received them before even the USAAF had operational squadrons flying them.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Quick! Someone point out it was designed by a German and had a British engine! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Back OT - Im not sure how realistic this game is. Im 26 and never flew a plane, let alone a WW2 fighter in WW2.

Im taking Olegs word for it that its a realistic combat flight sim within the boundries of todays technology.

Anyone here actually fly in WW2?

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Jieitai_Tsunami
08-19-2004, 06:05 AM
Sorry, I'm talking about the game as a hole not just what I pointed out. I think some of the graphics are very realistic, but parts of the game play seem arcade...

Not a hate post just looking for opinions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Zayets
08-19-2004, 06:08 AM
Define arcade,please.

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christopher65
08-19-2004, 06:18 AM
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Having flown a bit in light aircraft,both single and twin engines I "think" that the sensation of flight that we get when in "full real" is very very good.Go play cfs3 and feel the differance.
I and its only an opinion,feel that when played at full diff settings the AI intelligence seems irrelevant to me! I have a hard enough time not blacking out or stalling!!!!
We have a great "game" here about to become an awesome one with PFs release so lets all talk about the good points and not the negative ones.
Have only tried a couple of times to play with cockpit off and didnt like it.All those arrows etc made for an unnerving time.Those that like this view are welcome to it.I would rather be a mediocre pilot on full real than an ACE on the WW view.Sorry if I upset anyone,dont mean to.

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christopher65
08-19-2004, 06:20 AM
Arcade? Is that not a fancy word for a mall??

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Rab03
08-19-2004, 06:26 AM
The most realistic I've ever played.
Yes, Soviet steppes are really that flat. You can easily find the pictures of German airfields and just flat space in every direction.
Yes, for example Marseille could down a british plane with extremely short burst at 400m range.
Flak was in real life so feared and so efficient that you couldn't play this game if it were modelled realisticly (It was realisticly modelled in FB v1.0).
Allied kill/loss ratio after Normandy invasion jumped to 1:7 just because of flak! As for appearance of bullet trails, see gun cam movies and actual WWII Pacific footage (you could see not a trail, but a pillar of trails rising from US AA ship).

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Zayets
08-19-2004, 06:33 AM
OK,I agree.
That green can make happy only a cow.Wether you are in Crimea , wheter you are in Balaton or Berlin,or Normandy for the same matter , you can see the same green.No variations.But everything else comes with a price.Fly high if you don't like the landscape http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Extreme_One
08-19-2004, 06:38 AM
Hey Zayets why is there a plane with my wife's name in your sig? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Jasko76
08-19-2004, 06:43 AM
Simon,

Your wife's name is Marina? I've had a girlfriend named Marina once!

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Zayets
08-19-2004, 06:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
Hey Zayets why is there a plane with my wife's name in your sig? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Ooooops! You got me! Didn't thought ... sheeeesh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Extreme_One
08-19-2004, 06:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
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C'mon Extreme , you know what Marina means in Italian,spanish,portugese,romanian http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zayets out

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No I don't know - educate me please. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Zayets
08-19-2004, 06:48 AM
Marina = Navy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Edit: but I am not 100% sure for spanish&portuguese http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Jasko76
08-19-2004, 06:50 AM
Romania has a fleet? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Extreme_One
08-19-2004, 06:52 AM
Doh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif It's obvious really isn't it?

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif I was secretly hoping you'd tell me it meant 'dirty *****' or something like that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Zayets
08-19-2004, 07:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
Romania has a fleet? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Military yes.Commercial is almost inexistent nowaday since we sold almost all the ships.Say,we still have 10% from what we had in the '80's. But they are building again,who knows...As for the military fleet , they never had any aircraft although two airbases are basically located on the Black Sea coast,well,one of them since the other one must be sold to NATO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
The skin depicted is not "hysterical" , is purely fictional and unfortunately I lost it in the middle of a XP crash. All I have are just the the screenshots.
Besides,in the game you will do find a Romanian ship,Amiral Murgescu is the name.

@Extreme_One : well , if that makes it better , you should know that also in Romanian we do have this name for girls : Marina http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Wallstein
08-19-2004, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
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Instead of asking what _we_ think why not tell us what _you_ think?

I'm sure your insight will be fascinating. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

On second thoughts don't bother because we don't really care anyway. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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bird_brain
08-19-2004, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Quick! Someone point out it was designed by a German and had a British engine! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean an American built (Packard) English engine don't you?

What was the topic supposed to be again...Oh Yea, it is definately the most realistic WWII flight sim ever made. I am fairly sure I have played almost all of them and you won't get much better on a computer screen.

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08-19-2004, 07:54 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifMy brother in law started driving in a Morris Marina http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Wasn't the Mustang used originally by the RAF but the Allison engine was'nt too good so they replaced it with the RR Merlin and the rest is history http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Regarding the original question,this is the only flight sim that has stayed on my harddrive,until we get computer monitors that can show things in 3d ,feel the wind and the senses as the body is strapped into the plane and all the gee forces involved,it will always be limited to the computer limitations,also the lack of smell,exhaust fumes ,high octane fuel and gun smoke.
Without spending a fortune and going into the world of military training sims this is as good as it gets for now.
20 years time i suspect you will be able to strap yourself into a simulator and feel/see/hear the whole thing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tsisqua
08-19-2004, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
OK,I agree.
That green can make happy only a cow. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In my last feedback at the ATI site, I told them that their cards/drivers, as well as every other card being marketed today, is very green heavy. The terrain looks pretty good if you will just do one thing: Reduce the amount of green brightness on an ATI card, or reduce the green gamma on an Nvidia card. I noticed that with the last set of drivers from ATI the green has been reduced, but it still needs a bit of help.

I voted that this was the most realistic (imo) combat flight simulator I have ever flown.

Now, also IMO, this poll would best be enjoyed by the river bank with a case of beer.

That's right.

It's a "fishing poll" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Chuck_Older
08-19-2004, 07:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jieitai_Tsunami:
I was just wondering what you think of IL2 FB Ace? Is it the most realistic game you have played?
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Two points

1) Grand Prix Legends is the most realistic PC program I have ever played.

2) Nice troll job

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Jasko76
08-19-2004, 08:03 AM
I agree with the previous post - Grand Prix Legends is the most realistic game ever - basta!

What bothers me with IL-2 is the lack of ground activities: I fly over a major battle, say, Kursk and the countryside looks as peaceful as ever. This is the only drawback. Oh, I would also like to see some gore - adjustable to suit different users.

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Chuck_Older
08-19-2004, 08:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Actually, the Mustang was produced at the request of the British. They wanted a suitable aircraft for their engine. I think the RAF received them before even the USAAF had operational squadrons flying them.


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes and No

The RAF didn't want an airframe for their Merlin engine, they wanted P-40s, and NAA was supposed to get the contract to license build them. NAA decided they could make a better aircraft and did. They used an Allison engine, not a Rolls Royce engine, in the original designs and in some aircraft.

Later, when the aircraft was delivered to the British, a test pilot made the recommendation, according to the story, that with a suitable engine like the Rolls Royce Merlin, the P-51 would be an outstanding aircraft

But the object was not to design an airframe that would carry the RR Merlin

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The190Flyer
08-19-2004, 08:05 AM
This game is the most realistic game I've ever played, geez tsunami what do you want, nothing can be perfect, the damage modeling is the finest that ive seen, for those who voted arcade, what other game have you played that is more realistic than this, CFS3-HA, nothing is better than this game. Your kidding yourself if you think that this game is fake, beats the little PS2 and XBOX, puts em to shame with this game.

Chuck_Older
08-19-2004, 08:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Quick! Someone point out it was designed by a German and had a British engine! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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NAA was an American company, Edgar Schmeud was of German extraction, but very few Americans are American Indians. Schmeud was as American as George Washington if you take into account birthplace only, which you are doing. Schmeud was CHEIF designer, not the ONLY designer. Pakard built the Merlin under license from Rolls Royce

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ElAurens
08-19-2004, 10:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
_(RAF "tests" of P51s that never were in England for example)._

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif But the P-51 was being flown by the RAF long before the USAAF received it. The RAF came up with the nickname Mustang.
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I am refering to the specific test aircraft that were supposedly used in the Hinton tests. I have spoken to someone who should know, that recent investigations into these "tests" prove that the serial numbers given for the tested aricraft are totally bogus. The aircraft said to have been tested in England never left the continental United States, ever. Evidence is pointing to the fact that the Hinton test speed at sea level were conducted with P51As not Ds as is commonly presented on these forums.

In short, the speed numbers for the P51 at low levels are incorrect in AEP, and are too low...

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Obi_Kwiet
08-19-2004, 11:06 AM
Name a more realistic sim. I dare you.

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BSS_Goat
08-19-2004, 11:08 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ElAurens:


In short, the speed numbers for the P51 at low levels are incorrect in AEP, and are too low...

How long before Badsight shows up? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Chuck_Older
08-19-2004, 11:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Name a more realistic sim. I dare you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Grand Prix Legends http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Ki_Rin
08-19-2004, 11:47 AM
I think it was the first 14 or so examples of the NA 73 were appropriated by the USAAF, although only for test purposes, USAAF was actually the first to fly to the stang...

USAAF quickly realised the potential and had them ordered as "attack" types, to get around fiscal budgeting for 1942(?) as the A-36 Apache

RAF found the Mustang Is dissapointing, due of course to piss-poor allison alt hp performance, and relegated them to low-level recon roles

Mustang As and did not have a boundary layer lip for the rad inlet, making them a wee bit slower..

Most pilots preffered the C and early Ds, "razorback" due to better longitudal stabily, with less shake, making for a much bettter gun platform than the "bubble" Ds...

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badatit
08-19-2004, 12:48 PM
I've been flying sims since the early '90's.

When I first saw the IL2 demo I was blown away.
Many hardware upgrades later, running 2.04, I'm still blown away.

Cant wait for PF.

Indianer.
08-19-2004, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
Simon,

Your wife's name is Marina? I've had a girlfriend named Marina once!

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Atomic_Marten
08-19-2004, 03:02 PM
"Its the most realisic game I've played." - my vote goes there.

When something better regarding flying activities in WW2 appears outhere, I will stop playing IL-2 and switch to that new game. If anyone knows there's something better already outhere, please lemme know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Jieitai_Tsunami
08-19-2004, 03:10 PM
Well I'd say Target rabual and IL2 first version is more realisic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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Jieitai_Tsunami
08-19-2004, 03:12 PM
Well I'd say Target rabual and IL2 first version FM are more realisic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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Jieitai_Tsunami
08-19-2004, 03:12 PM
Well I'd say Target rabual and IL2 first version FM are more realisic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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Chuck_Older
08-19-2004, 03:26 PM
Good for you.

Now please explain why, and do not use anything that sounds like, "I've never flown a plane before, but It seems to me..." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Manos1
08-19-2004, 06:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
Yes, it's the most realisting WW2 combat flight simulation I've ever played.

The AI cheat (they have a simpler flight model because our PC's don't have enough computing power to fly a "real" flight model).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love the possibility to even fly all airplanes (with external views)

I love the possibility to create ground and naval battles!

The damage model of the tanks is fantastic!!!!
Both passive (front, top, side, rear armour) and active (cannon, distance)!

I HATE when those tanks raise their main cannons and shoot at me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif

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MEGILE
08-19-2004, 06:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> This game real? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No it is not, hence the name Simulation.

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WTE_Galway
08-19-2004, 06:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Good for you.

Now please explain why, and do not use anything that sounds like, "I've never flown a plane before, but It seems to me..." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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From someone that has flown a plane before, but only Cessnas and Pipers and the odd ultra-light ...

I would say this is the most realistic sim I have flown, far more realistic to fly then even FS2002/2004

However as I never flew an actual WWII fighter in combat during WWII itself, I do not expect the "its only a game" boys to take the slightest bit of notice of my opinion on this matter.

WTE_Galway
08-19-2004, 06:31 PM
with quite a fe whours up in various GA aircraft i would say this sim feels more realistic than even fs2004

however as it did not fly a WWII plane in combat in 1940 I do not expect teh "only a game" brigade to take any notice of my opinion

WTE_Galway
08-19-2004, 07:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Good for you.

Now please explain why, and do not use anything that sounds like, "I've never flown a plane before, but It seems to me..."

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

With quite a few hours up in a lot of diffent GA aircraft I can definitely say the IL2 FM feels far more realistic than any other sim including FS2004 especially in small details like behaviour in flare on landing.

A number of ex-military pilots have made similiar observations in this forum.

Problem is for the arcade "its only a game" brigade, unless you actually flew in WWII in the planes in question in combat - your opinion does not count.

Not only that if you HAD flown a warbird in WWII those same guys would not believe you and call you a liar. There was a case a few years ago of an ex-A10 pilot who left these forums in the end because he got sick of being accused of making up his military background.

So in the end the point is moot .. its a useless discussion evryone has there set opinion on realism and no-one is going to budge http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

horseback
08-19-2004, 07:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ki_Rin:
I think it was the first 14 or so examples of the NA 73 were appropriated by the USAAF, although only for test purposes, USAAF was actually the first to fly to the stang...[QUOTE]

Number 26 Squadron received its first Mustang Is in January 1942. According to Robert Jackson's 'Mustang: The Operational History', the 4th and 10th machines of the initial production run, designated XP-51s, were handed over to the USAAF free of charge as part of the agrrement to grant government approval for the original sale. Flown intensively by pilots at Wright Field in the second half of 1941, but without a real attempt to evaluate them, the planes were left at the side of the field at year's end, and hardly flown at all after that.

In July 1941, Britain had ordered another 150 examples, differing from the original Mk I in that the machine gun armament was replaced by 4 20mm wing mounted cannon. Fifty seven of these were repossessed by the USAAF, as they were being delivered starting in July, 1942. In US service, the majority were fitted with a couple of cameras and issued to the 111th and 154th Observation Squadrons of the 68th Observation Group, initially being designated P-51, but in keeping with the recon role, later redesignated as F-6As.

[QUOTE]USAAF quickly realised the potential and had them ordered as "attack" types, to get around fiscal budgeting for 1942(?) as the A-36 Apache[QUOTE]

North American, looking for business from the Army Air Force, made some modifications to the design and offered the aircraft as a dive bomber. With the advent of war, the USAAF quickly ordered the A-36 Invader/Apache (depending on who you talk to-the pilots who flew it usually called it a Mustang). First deliveries of the A-36 began in September 1942.

[QUOTE]RAF found the Mustang Is dissapointing, due of course to piss-poor allison alt hp performance, and relegated them to low-level recon roles[QUOTE]

What comic book did you get that from? The British had ordered the Airacobra and operated the P-40 for some time, and having approached North American Aviation to build them additional Kittyhawks for the RAF, were quite familiar with the Allison's limitations.

The Mustang Mk I was intended from the start to be an 'Army Cooperation' plane, and the better than expected performance and range led to its use as a low/medium level reconnaissance aircraft as well. By all accounts, the RAF was delighted with the aircraft. The only reason they didn't get more was that the USAAF wanted it too.

[QUOTE]Mustang As and did not have a boundary layer lip for the rad inlet, making them a wee bit slower..[QUOTE]

I'll assume that you mean MkI/IA/P-51/-51A and A-36s, but they all were somewhat slower than Merlin engined Ponies, even under 15,000 ft. I don't think the radiator inlet was as much to blame as the Allison, though.

[QUOTE]Most pilots preffered the C and early Ds, "razorback" due to better longitudal stabily, with less shake, making for a much bettter gun platform than the "bubble" Ds...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All Mustangs prior to the D models were razorbacks. The reference is to a type of wild hog that has a pronounced spinal ridge. In an aircraft, it means that the rear spine of the aircraft continues in a line with the top of the canopy to tje tail. In this sense, the Spitfire and 109 would be classed as 'razorbacks', but the FW-190 would not.

In any case, the P-51B/C models, which were the first Merlin versions, were razorbacks, and this did contribute to longitudinal stability. That meant that the a/c could turn a bit tighter and fly a straight line more easily. However, thay also featured a higher rated engine, which performed better at high altitudes than the D models. It was also possible for these to fitted with the blown Malcolm hood, which some exponents claimed provided a better range of vision to the rear and below than the bubbletop.

That was why many veteran pilots favored the razorbacks over the bubbletops. If the D model shook more when the guns were fired, it had more to do with having an extra gun in each wing than the lower rear spine.

I am horseback, and I'd rather be right than popular.

cheers

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horseback
08-19-2004, 07:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ki_Rin:
I think it was the first 14 or so examples of the NA 73 were appropriated by the USAAF, although only for test purposes, USAAF was actually the first to fly to the stang...[QUOTE]

Number 26 Squadron received its first Mustang Is in January 1942. According to Robert Jackson's 'Mustang: The Operational History', the 4th and 10th machines of the initial production run, designated XP-51s, were handed over to the USAAF free of charge as part of the agrrement to grant government approval for the original sale. Flown intensively by pilots at Wright Field in the second half of 1941, but without a real attempt to evaluate them, the planes were left at the side of the field at year's end, and hardly flown at all after that.

In July 1941, Britain had ordered another 150 examples, differing from the original Mk I in that the machine gun armament was replaced by 4 20mm wing mounted cannon. Fifty seven of these were repossessed by the USAAF, as they were being delivered starting in July, 1942. In US service, the majority were fitted with a couple of cameras and issued to the 111th and 154th Observation Squadrons of the 68th Observation Group, initially being designated P-51, but in keeping with the recon role, later redesignated as F-6As.

[QUOTE]USAAF quickly realised the potential and had them ordered as "attack" types, to get around fiscal budgeting for 1942(?) as the A-36 Apache[QUOTE]

North American, looking for business from the Army Air Force, made some modifications to the design and offered the aircraft as a dive bomber. With the advent of war, the USAAF quickly ordered the A-36 Invader/Apache (depending on who you talk to-the pilots who flew it usually called it a Mustang). First deliveries of the A-36 began in September 1942.

[QUOTE]RAF found the Mustang Is dissapointing, due of course to piss-poor allison alt hp performance, and relegated them to low-level recon roles[QUOTE]

What comic book did you get that from? The British had ordered the Airacobra and operated the P-40 for some time, and having approached North American Aviation to build them additional Kittyhawks for the RAF, were quite familiar with the Allison's limitations.

The Mustang Mk I was intended from the start to be an 'Army Cooperation' plane, and the better than expected performance and range led to its use as a low/medium level reconnaissance aircraft as well. By all accounts, the RAF was delighted with the aircraft. The only reason they didn't get more was that the USAAF wanted it too.

[QUOTE]Mustang As and did not have a boundary layer lip for the rad inlet, making them a wee bit slower..[QUOTE]

I'll assume that you mean MkI/IA/P-51/-51A and A-36s, but they all were somewhat slower than Merlin engined Ponies, even under 15,000 ft. I don't think the radiator inlet was as much to blame as the Allison, though.

[QUOTE]Most pilots preffered the C and early Ds, "razorback" due to better longitudal stabily, with less shake, making for a much bettter gun platform than the "bubble" Ds...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All Mustangs prior to the D models were razorbacks. The reference is to a type of wild hog that has a pronounced spinal ridge. In an aircraft, it means that the rear spine of the aircraft continues in a line with the top of the canopy to tje tail. In this sense, the Spitfire and 109 would be classed as 'razorbacks', but the FW-190 would not.

In any case, the P-51B/C models, which were the first Merlin versions, were razorbacks, and this did contribute to longitudinal stability. That meant that the a/c could turn a bit tighter and fly a straight line more easily. However, thay also featured a higher rated engine, which performed better at high altitudes than the D models. It was also possible for these to fitted with the blown Malcolm hood, which some exponents claimed provided a better range of vision to the rear and below than the bubbletop.

That was why many veteran pilots favored the razorbacks over the bubbletops. If the D model shook more when the guns were fired, it had more to do with having an extra gun in each wing than the lower rear spine.

I am horseback, and I'd rather get the facts straight than be popular.

cheers

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Obi_Kwiet
08-19-2004, 08:43 PM
Grand Prix Racine whatever is a car sim! That is easy to make accurate. HTis sim deals with aircraft form 60 years ago that are very difficult to get accurate readings on. Name a more realistic WW2 flight sim.

Obi_Kwiet
08-19-2004, 08:45 PM
Name a more realistic WW2 flight sim. A racing game is easy to make realistic. These aircraft are very hard to get records on.

Buster82
08-19-2004, 09:08 PM
1st of all my answere for the first question: this is absolutely the most realistic WW2 flight sim i've ever played.

2nd. about the mustang. IIRC the mustang was made as an answere to the british request for a suitable fighter to escort their bombers, which they lacked. or atleast that's what i've heard. could be wrong tho.

3rd OT. Zayets i've heard that all girl names in Romania end with an A. is this true as far as you know?

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Buster82
08-19-2004, 09:10 PM
1st of all my answere for the first question: this is absolutely the most realistic WW2 flight sim i've ever played.

2nd. about the mustang. IIRC the mustang was made as an answere to the british request to NAA for a suitable fighter to escort their bombers, which they lacked. or atleast that's what i've heard. could be wrong tho.

3rd OT. Zayets i've heard that all girl names in Romania end with an A. is this true as far as you know?

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Buster82
08-19-2004, 09:10 PM
1st of all my answere for the first question: this is absolutely the most realistic WW2 flight sim i've ever played.

2nd. about the mustang. IIRC the mustang was made as an answere to the british request to NAA for a suitable fighter to escort their bombers, which they lacked. or atleast that's what i've heard. could be wrong tho.

3rd. Zayets i've heard that all girl names in Romania end with an A. is this true as far as you know?

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clint-ruin
08-19-2004, 09:38 PM
Definitely the best flightsim I've played. Excellent approach to coding, quite amazing levels of fidelity.

I think that the game seems to get more detailed as you get more experienced with the FMB. People who know how to work the AI and radio, and set up good scenarios will tend to find the game a lot more realistic [as a whole] than online DF / QMB style players. You get out of it what you put in.

All I can say is that the next generation of sims after this is going to be absolutely awesome.

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Hawgdog
08-19-2004, 09:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
You forgot an option

YOU can't fly.

Zayets out <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Cajun76
08-19-2004, 09:46 PM
FYI, the Mustang was not 'fixed' with the Packard built Merlins. They didn't produce the Mustang with that Allison, slap their foreheads, and say "It hasn't got altitude performance!" They knew they were putting a low alt engine in there, and it performed very well, down low. But they didn't really need low alt fighters, they needed high alt escorts. That's the reason the Merlin was introduced. The Mustang wasn't "broken", it performed well at what it was supposed to do. The Packard added high alt capability to an already good a/c.

And I'm not really a Mustang fan. I get tired of the folks who think it was **** before the Packard. I think that if the Mustang had not come along or been given added capabilty with the Packard, the P-47 would have been improved sooner and newer models (P-47M and N), introduced ealier, would have done just as good a job.


As for the sim, find another flight combat sim that's better, with more a/c choices, and more diverse theaters, esp when PF comes out.


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Old_Canuck
08-19-2004, 10:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tsisqua:
...

I voted that this was the most realistic (imo) combat flight simulator I have ever flown.

Now, also IMO, this poll would best be enjoyed by the river bank with a case of beer.

That's right.

It's a "fishing poll" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Tsisqua

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Thinkin' the same thing, tsisqua. Trolls will never kill this sim because (as SeaFire says "it's got soul"). CFS2 was fun but this one's more betta. PF? PF is probably the only sim that will draw attention away from AEP but AEP will always be within reach.

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WUAF_Badsight
08-20-2004, 08:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElAurens:

In short, the speed numbers for the P51 at low levels are incorrect in AEP, and are too low...

__BlitzPig_EL__<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

so what are they supposed to be huh ?



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
How long before Badsight shows up?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

so i put Vidar stright & all you BSS get the hump with me /

well too bad , hope your happy flying your overmoddeled gas tank

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Chuck_Older
08-20-2004, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Grand Prix Racine whatever is a car sim! That is easy to make accurate. HTis sim deals with aircraft form 60 years ago that are very difficult to get accurate readings on. Name a more realistic WW2 flight sim.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's Grand Prix Legends, and if you think it's easy to make, you're a pretty good programmer

You asked anyone to name a better sim that FB. I did.

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Chuck_Older
08-20-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Good for you.

Now please explain why, and do not use anything that sounds like, "I've never flown a plane before, but It seems to me..." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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From someone that has flown a plane before, but only Cessnas and Pipers and the odd ultra-light ...

I would say this is the most realistic sim I have flown, far more realistic to fly then even FS2002/2004

However as I never flew an actual WWII fighter in combat during WWII itself, I do not expect the "its only a game" boys to take the slightest bit of notice of my opinion on this matter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A lot of real pilots feel that the sensation of flight in FB is superior.

I have never flown, but I was sitting in the right seat in a single engine plane once in flight, and to me, FB gives a realistic feeling of moving through 3D airspace, much better than even FS2004. Although FS2004 is more challenging to fly in my opinion. But FB gets the feeling of flight right to me, and that is important

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Raid-Baron
08-20-2004, 08:19 AM
As a glider pilot for more than 10 years I can tell you that the flight sensations and the plane's behaviour are very close to reality in IL2. It realy feels like flying !

Except for :

- the wind is not realistic
- ground détails are ugly
- clouds are not very realistic

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LilHorse
08-20-2004, 08:29 AM
You mean it's NOT REAL?!!! Dang! And here I was bucking for a promotion.

Actually, come to think of it, I was wondering why I hadn't been rotated out after so many missions.

BSS_Goat
08-20-2004, 08:34 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:

so i put Vidar stright & all you BSS get the hump with me /

well too bad , hope your happy flying your overmoddeled gas tank [QUOTE]

No "hump" w/ you m8, you are welcome to your own opinion. I just knew your were gonna reply and stated that. Nothing negative was implied. you just always show up when someone says P-xx .BTW it took 22 hours and I am happy to fly any plane, thanks

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WUAF_Badsight
08-20-2004, 08:47 AM
if you want me to post in a thread you can either . . . .

1) mention me
or
2) complain that your overmoddeled plane isnt performing good enough . . . . . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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WOLFMondo
08-20-2004, 08:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bird_brain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Quick! Someone point out it was designed by a German and had a British engine! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean an American built (Packard) English engine don't you?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Packard Merlin might be American built under license but its still a Rolls Royce Merlin engine, nothing more and nothing less and will forever be British. Sorry.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Quick! Someone point out it was designed by a German and had a British engine! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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NAA was an American company, Edgar Schmeud was of German extraction, but very few Americans are American Indians. Schmeud was as American as George Washington if you take into account birthplace only, which you are doing. Schmeud was CHEIF designer, not the ONLY designer. Pakard built the Merlin under license from Rolls Royce
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You guys a funny, someone says somthing thats literally true then we have to get a 100% complete run down of all the nit picking that can be done from the original statement which is basically true in the first place and considering the tone and the emoticon used was meant as a something funny. Not to start some massive debate on the P51.

BTW, England is not Britian, Great Britian is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, England is not some seperate entity that acts alone without the other 3 nations that make up the United Kingdom of Great Britian. They are all governed in the same place (or were) and act together under a single constitution and government.

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BSS_Goat
08-20-2004, 08:52 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
if you want me to post in a thread you can either . . . .

1) mention me
or
2) complain that your overmoddeled plane isnt performing good enough . . . . . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif[quote]

Thats for sure! No hard feelings here. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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F0_Dark_P
08-20-2004, 09:08 AM
I think this game is the most realistic game i have played, but the only thing that realy buggs me is the spitfire, its turning ability is so damn "aracade" to damn good to be realistichttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, i realy hate all the noobs out there flying it online, so for the f**k sake fly th Bf109, be like a manhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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WOLFMondo
08-20-2004, 09:20 AM
Er...but a real spit pilot has said that the Aces VB is a very good interpritation of the real VB.

Does that not count?

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WUAF_Badsight
08-20-2004, 09:36 AM
lol not really if you consider that MS CFS had the same thing said about it too . . . .

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Nanuk66
08-20-2004, 09:47 AM
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And woman love Swimmin' with me...'



And thats all i have to say on that.

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WOLFMondo
08-20-2004, 09:48 AM
I agree M$ CFS was a bit ropey but I'd take a former WW2 fighter pilots opinion over ANY airchair experts opinion.

While there not scientific, just opinions, they were there and flew the planes to the very limits of the planes design and humans physical limitations.

In the case of the review of aces by a real pilot we actually could read his notes and what happened and what he thought. If he says the Spitfire flew like that then I'll take his word for it. Its not like anyone on these boards has actually flown a Spitfire, let alone in combat.

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VVS-Manuc
08-20-2004, 09:50 AM
old IL-2 was a sim and had a realistic touch, but now FB/AEP is a game with arcade elements and historical background

F0_Dark_P
08-20-2004, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Er...but a real spit pilot has said that the Aces VB is a very good interpritation of the real VB.

Does that not count?

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Home of WGNDedicated<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ok i dont know anything about that
but i think it is to damn good, i think it is even ill-mannered:P to fly it online, it is almost like cheating, it outturns everything you can fly in the game, so i think is to good, btw you that fly it, you cant realy be proud when shooting down some one in it, couse you aint fighting for the kill, you are just on for the ride, Spitfire=Noobairplanehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Chuck_Older
08-20-2004, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bird_brain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Quick! Someone point out it was designed by a German and had a British engine! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean an American built (Packard) English engine don't you?
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The Packard Merlin might be American built under license but its still a Rolls Royce Merlin engine, nothing more and nothing less and will forever be British. Sorry.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Quick! Someone point out it was designed by a German and had a British engine! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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NAA was an American company, Edgar Schmeud was of German extraction, but very few Americans are American Indians. Schmeud was as American as George Washington if you take into account birthplace only, which you are doing. Schmeud was CHEIF designer, not the ONLY designer. Pakard built the Merlin under license from Rolls Royce
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You guys a funny, someone says somthing thats literally true then we have to get a 100% complete run down of all the nit picking that can be done from the original statement which is basically true in the first place and considering the tone and the emoticon used was meant as a something funny. Not to start some massive debate on the P51.

BTW, England is not Britian, Great Britian is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, England is not some seperate entity that acts alone without the other 3 nations that make up the United Kingdom of Great Britian. They are all governed in the same place (or were) and act together under a single constitution and government.

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You know, neither of us said "U r a dummy, u don't know what u r talking about, STFU ******".

We both tried to give you some info. How stupid of us

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WOLFMondo
08-20-2004, 10:23 AM
Capt Eric Brown reviewed it. Given his back ground and all the nice little titles after his name etc Im gonna assume he's not having a laugh or lying and go by his opinion.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=309109534&r=665101634#665101634

Conclusion

How realistic can a PC simulator be? "The core of any simulation," said Captain Brown, "is in capturing the harmony of controls of aircraft. Of course, any simulator cannot replicate things 100% but in most of the aircraft tested, it is of the order 80% or so. I found in general the default joystick settings tended to be oversensitive. With my recommended settings it will give people a real feeling of how they actually flew. The flight models in Il-2:FB are done very well. But you need time to cope with this.
"In summary, Il-2:FB offers people the tremendous possibility of experiencing some of the thrills of flying warbirds. The feeling they will get is one of realism - that's how it was. If they apply themselves to this they could get quite skilful and fly these aircraft to their limits - but they will have to realise these limits. In combat, you always hope your opponent is a novice who has just graduated from flying school but it doesn't always work out like that!"
Thus for owners of Il-2:FB the Aces Expansion Pack represents great value in adding 29 new aircraft, some never simulated before, to an already outstanding product.
The final comment we can leave to Captain Brown: "Its wide spectrum of missions and aircraft make it an infinitely interesting game - but a game with a deadly realism, showing you what could happen if you mishandle your aircraft or are outflown by your enemy."

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WOLFMondo
08-20-2004, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
You know, neither of us said "U r a dummy, u don't know what u r talking about, STFU ******".

We both tried to give you some info. How stupid of us<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, I didn't mean for my comment to come across quite like that...I was just commenting on the fact that someone mentions something that could be contested or further explained the thread goes up a gear and completly looses track of the original posters comments/question. its like someone asks one thing and then overnight 31 pages of people comments appear on somthing mundane like the performance of a valve in an oil pump or how its over or undermodelled.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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