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JG7_Rall
08-18-2004, 11:14 PM
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Are we going to be stuck with those ugly, skinny red .50 cal tracers or can we get the thicker, yellow ones that seem to be more true to life imo. All guncam footage I've seen is of yellow tracers...I hate the red ones.

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JG7_Rall
08-18-2004, 11:14 PM
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Are we going to be stuck with those ugly, skinny red .50 cal tracers or can we get the thicker, yellow ones that seem to be more true to life imo. All guncam footage I've seen is of yellow tracers...I hate the red ones.

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SUPERAEREO
08-19-2004, 04:17 AM
Always thought that US tracers were red, was I wrong?

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KIMURA
08-19-2004, 04:34 AM
The RL tracers we fire with our US 0.5" ammo are Red, not yellow. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Don't think that changed the last 50 years. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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PBNA-Boosher
08-19-2004, 07:51 AM
In all the color guncam footage I've seen, I seem to be seeing white/yellow tracers. I've never seen any red tracers for the .50's in the color guncam footage? Was this the low on ammo deal, low on ammo switch to white tracers type thing?

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stubby
08-19-2004, 10:21 AM
whatever color they are, they need to be more visible from the cockpit perspective. as they stand now, they are way to washed and invisibile. I want them to stand out like they do when firing the guns from a Lagg or I16. These planes have a very distinctive, visible stream. The P40, P51, P47 - the .50 tracers just are very hard to see. This has always been the case since the original Il2 days.

VW-IceFire
08-19-2004, 02:08 PM
After hearing some compelling evidence I believe that US tracers have been red since the beginning of time. Or something close http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In any case...I think they burned alot brighter and maybe even looked yellow to the limited abilities of the gun cam.

More visible would be great...oddly enough, you can see them from a distance better than from the cockpit.

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stubby
08-20-2004, 09:49 AM
You nailed it IceFire. The old gun cam footage had the American fighter tracers looking like little many suns being hurled forth from the 50s. Not the invisible **** we currently see.

Choctaw111
08-25-2004, 01:44 PM
You need to check out my american tracers thread. I have a picture of me actually lighting a 50 cal round and you will what the color actually was...and how bright they are on a sunny day!!!!

Baco-ECV56
08-25-2004, 02:17 PM
Chocktow can we have a link to that thread please?
I would like to see the real thing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Just curious on how those bad mothers look up close http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Thanks.

Owlsphone
08-25-2004, 05:25 PM
Found it. And very nice edits Choctaw.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=929107245&p=1

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WUAF_WarWeapon2
08-25-2004, 07:32 PM
It would be great if they could be alot more brighter and visable and perhaps a bit more "Squiggley".

Owlsphone
08-25-2004, 09:49 PM
WarWeapon2, those squiggly tracers are due to the gun camera shaking. The human eye does not see this effect although it does look really cool. B-17: The Mighty Eighth pulled off that effect very well.

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Skycat_2
08-25-2004, 10:18 PM
Why squiggly? That's caused by how gun cameras recorded tracers, not how they actually looked to the eye. Smokey tendrils added to the FB .50 caliber tracers would be appropriate, though.

Sometime you should take a look at the film "Thunderbolt!" filmed in color during the war. It has some great scenes of P-47s in action over Italy, including strafing ground targets like trains, bridges and houses. The tracers here are glowing red/orange streaks trailed by light smoke trails. The video in the documentary looks surprisingly close to the .50 cals in FB, actually. You can mostly see where the bullets are going only by the puffs where they strike the ground. The only thing missing in FB that is easily seen in the film is the wisps of trailing smoke.

A side note: "Thunderbolt" features several camera angles including over-the-pilot's shoulder, and you can clearly see the gunsight looks very much like the sight in the FB jugs.

Another film to consult is the original "Memphis Belle" (the WWII Army Air Corps documentary) also filmed in color. There are a few scenes where the gunners fire at passing fighters, and you get a good look at the tracers flying out towards the enemy -- they look mostly like reddish orange fireballs. The photographer's handheld camera shakes quite a bit, but the tracers often look very continuous, not at all like shaky squiggles.

BTW, I saw something on the history channel that suggested that American fighter pilots did have white tracer bullets at the end of the belts to let them know when they were almost out of ammo.

WUAF_WarWeapon2
08-25-2004, 11:20 PM
I've shot an AK-47 that had tracers in the mag, they are tad squiggly if you ever get a chance to shoot one.

Merlin (FZG_Immel)
08-25-2004, 11:33 PM
I shot 5.56mm with SG550 here , and we get nice russian laser like green tracers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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