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BaldieJr
03-04-2004, 10:20 PM
The writing is on the wall folks. No-cockpit servers will soon be a thing of the past. AEP has made no-cockpit obsolete.

For years now, the no-cockpit crowd has been dwindling. Slowly, yet assuradly, more pilots take the 'step upwards' to more intelligent game play. It just makes sense: As you become a better pilot, you find yourself yearning for harder planes and more difficult settings.

It had to happen, eventually.

But AEP came along. Now there is reason to leave that cockpit on. All the mediocre pilots will soon be making the jump to less 'kiddie settings', and thanking Oleg for freeing them of thier pre-pubescent bonds.

Yes, the writing on the wall is clear: No-cockpit is dead.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to fly certain planes without a cockpit. Pretty dumb indeed.

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BaldieJr
03-04-2004, 10:20 PM
The writing is on the wall folks. No-cockpit servers will soon be a thing of the past. AEP has made no-cockpit obsolete.

For years now, the no-cockpit crowd has been dwindling. Slowly, yet assuradly, more pilots take the 'step upwards' to more intelligent game play. It just makes sense: As you become a better pilot, you find yourself yearning for harder planes and more difficult settings.

It had to happen, eventually.

But AEP came along. Now there is reason to leave that cockpit on. All the mediocre pilots will soon be making the jump to less 'kiddie settings', and thanking Oleg for freeing them of thier pre-pubescent bonds.

Yes, the writing on the wall is clear: No-cockpit is dead.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to fly certain planes without a cockpit. Pretty dumb indeed.

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Istreliteli
03-04-2004, 10:22 PM
what do you mean? what planes? why?

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AFJ_Locust
03-04-2004, 10:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Istreliteli:
what do you mean? what planes? why?

The king called up his jet fighters, he said you better earn your pay; drop your bombs between the minarets, down the casbah way...- Yeah its Another Clash Fanatic<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Teufel_Eldritch
03-04-2004, 10:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
All the mediocre pilots will soon be making the jump to less 'kiddie settings', and thanking Oleg for freeing them of thier pre-pubescent bonds.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I take offence to that sir. I am a mediocre pilot & not once in any flight sim have I used the no cockpit setting. Not all of us mediocre pilots use no cockpit ya know.

Okay folks that was me being somewhat sarcastic. A joke. Dont come down on me with flames & such.

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03-04-2004, 10:43 PM
I wouldn't say its dying. And I know it's not dead. But I have seen a lot more pilots trying out cockpit on. Last year I started flying pit on when I changed to a squadron that flew everything. I loved the challenge. It really seperated the experience from playing a video game to flying a sim.

But I've always been a proponent of fly what you like, and encourage people to have fun over everything else. I fly it all, and I have fun in it all.

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BaldieJr
03-04-2004, 11:20 PM
Its no longer a question of preference. Its not even a question of 'fun'.

AEP has changed everything.

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BlindHuck
03-04-2004, 11:25 PM
Baldie - Be a man and join the military, what the hell are you playing games for, huh?

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LEXX_Luthor
03-04-2004, 11:26 PM
The New Fashion will be to turn off the top wing ("Oleg make this an Option cos I can't see the target whaaawa"), once they see not all Biplanes have a gull wing like I~153 and P11. Indeed, once you try two regular wings in a sim, you see why some designers went for the gull wing.



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BM357_Raven
03-04-2004, 11:39 PM
Now the question is whether people will make the full jump to full real?

Answer: Raven you so far off the curve of pop-flight simming that you think up dumb questions like that..

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RedDeth
03-04-2004, 11:54 PM
baldie go fly full real . no one will say a word. and when others fly cockpit off please do the same. have a nice day.

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WOLFMondo
03-05-2004, 12:23 AM
How are new people supposed to get used to the game if they don't have the cockpit off option? Sorry but on 1 of the servers I run I have the option for cockpit of as allot of my freinds at wolf who play this are new to it so they have the option of flying easy for a while to get to grips with it. They can then move on to the other server where its 100% realism. People play games to enjoy them and have fun, if they enjoy and have fun with the cockpit off them so be it. Who am and more importantly who are you baldie to dictate to other people how to have fun and spend there time playing a game how they want to.

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BigDukeSixx
03-05-2004, 12:42 AM
Pit off is pathetic. It turns the sim into X-wing with WWII skins!

Rajvosa
03-05-2004, 12:52 AM
I guess some things will never change. And Boldie will never grow up. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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Alexi_Alx_Anova
03-05-2004, 01:07 AM
I can't imagine you would buy this SIMulator and then play it with the cockpit off. How lame would that be?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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JG27_Arklight
03-05-2004, 01:11 AM
You all are right.


When I first started playing I only played no-cockpit (well, when I first joined JG27) becuase I was still new and the cockpit on option was a little too much for me in intense dogfights.......which is wierd because I actually had no idea there was even a No-Cockpit Option in the game. LOL

After a while though you start wanting more and to be honest no-cockpit starts to kind of ruin the immersion not to mention the game. It just gets boring after a while.

On the flip side, if you don't have TrackIR 1/2 cockpit on can be a real pain in the 4th point of contact.....looking around with the mouse in one hand or with the hat switch SUCKS.

In the end, to each his own. But I would bet all the money in the world that once you fly with cockpit on and get a few kills it is REALLY difficult to go back. Having the cockpit on makes you feel like you are flying...no cockpit seems kind of arcadish when you play.

Is there anything wrong with no cockpit? No.

Does it mean you suck if you use no cockpit? No.

Do I think somebody would enjoy cockpit-on more after they got used to it? Heck yeah!

Should you listen to me or anybody else hear about what you should do wwith your game? NOPE!

Do whatever you want, it's your game, you bought it with your money!

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WOLFMondo
03-05-2004, 01:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
Do whatever you want, it's your game, you bought it with your money!
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ELEM
03-05-2004, 01:21 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BaldieJr:
You'd have to be pretty dumb to fly certain planes without a cockpit. Pretty dumb indeed.
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You'd have to be pretty dumb to make a post like this. Pretty dumb indeed!

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

easymo
03-05-2004, 01:21 AM
So, does this mean the Track IR six view cheat does not work in AEP

LEXX_Luthor
03-05-2004, 01:26 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif Top Wing Off option...hehe it won't be long now....

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Punik
03-05-2004, 01:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
You all are right.

On the flip side, if you don't have TrackIR 1/2 cockpit on can be a real pain in the 4th point of contact.....looking around with the mouse in one hand or with the hat switch SUCKS.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Folks, I have to admit one thing. I got myself TrackIR (alongside with 3D goggles) and - I NEVER GOT USED TO IT. I found that "mouselook" is far more precise and challenging. You can also move your head freely to close in on a monitor in sniping run, or back off so you could see everything in fierce dogfight. And the least thing i need when in such a dogfight, is "running out of sight" of TrackIR, thus losing my sight over my virtual shoulder.
So I use both keyboard and mouse with one hand, and stick with the other one. I remember times, when I wasn't able to use mouse and keys together, so i used voice commander software to full success. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The only downside is, when you shout some swear words, you may end with your undercarriage deployed at 500 km/h, or ejecting right in the moment you are about to shoot the hell out of your enemy... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But - everything has its bugs. We should be on top of them! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JG27_Arklight
03-05-2004, 02:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Punik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
You all are right.

On the flip side, if you don't have TrackIR 1/2 cockpit on can be a real pain in the 4th point of contact.....looking around with the mouse in one hand or with the hat switch SUCKS.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Folks, I have to admit one thing. I got myself TrackIR (alongside with 3D goggles) and - I NEVER GOT USED TO IT. I found that "mouselook" is far more precise and challenging. You can also move your head freely to close in on a monitor in sniping run, or back off so you could see everything in fierce dogfight. And the least thing i need when in such a dogfight, is "running out of sight" of TrackIR, thus losing my sight over my virtual shoulder.
So I use both keyboard and mouse with one hand, and stick with the other one. I remember times, when I wasn't able to use mouse and keys together, so i used voice commander software to full success. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The only downside is, when you shout some swear words, you may end with your undercarriage deployed at 500 km/h, or ejecting right in the moment you are about to shoot the hell out of your enemy... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But - everything has its bugs. We should be on top of them! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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And what if you have a HOTAS arrangement? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



Many people don't get used to TrackIR because they never change the setting for the deadzones and such. When I first installed my TrackIR 2 I had a really tough time getting used to it....then I discovered a post on one of the other IL-2 forums about trying different setup configuration and now it is simply amazing!

VERY smooth panning movement.

VERY immersive.

I honestly cannot fly a sim game without my TrackIR 2 now. It just doesn't feel the same without it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Punik
03-05-2004, 02:43 AM
I use my HOTAS for a number of different things - raising/lowering the dim glass in Messerschmits, enabling/disabling mirrors, cockpit lights and landing light... There is a whole bunch of things one needs in combat and should be "handy"... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The truth is, I didn't gave up on TrackIR, I have tried to adjust the deadzones and movement rates, but sometimes it just goes wrong - I know it is solely MY mistake, but since I have already mastered the mouselook and it doesn't bother me in anz way, I am using it still... Pure lazyness, I think... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But one sunny day, when I find that TrackIR might add something which I can't do without it, I will use it. It is a great product, can't say anything bad about it. The only problem is (as usual) somewhere between the chair and the keyboard. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
03-05-2004, 03:10 AM
Mee too, I mouse around and use hat switches for other stuff. If you set your mouse sensitivity in the FB input menu to 5 or 10, you can look all over the sky with hardly any hand movement. Of course when you use the FMB you have to set it back to 2 or something.



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AtomicRunt
03-05-2004, 03:28 AM
EEEWWW Fishin' is good today huh Baldie? LOL, I simply look for games with over 10~12 people in them.The more things that have been "checked" the better, But because I fly with a couple friends and taking all of our hardware into account(one has trackir, one doesnt, one has an hotas set-up, another doesn't)we fly all different settings for different reasons. That way we all enjoy this GAME/$40 flight SIM. I've listened to all you guys who come here then ***** and moan about flying the cockpit is the only way, only to go into the lobby and see all those 2 or 3 ...ahem...FULL REAL servers..cough,cough with 2 or 3 players. Not to mention the fact your using the GPS..oops, I mean speedbar/mini-map. There is only one server that I see with everything "switched" and that's Magnum's server.(I like the terminolgy they use.. FULL SWITCH thats how it should be reconized,~S~ 357th) Yet I never see Baldie in there or anyone else who whines about cockpit only. Think about the other people around the world who fly this Game,for different reasons I might add, whether it be time on line or hardware. Or maybe even ability as we all have real lives outside your full real settings and shove these "your nothing unless" posts.

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JG27_Gundog
03-05-2004, 03:37 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Punik:
I use my HOTAS for a number of different things - raising/lowering the dim glass in Messerschmits, enabling/disabling mirrors, cockpit lights and landing light... There is a whole bunch of things one needs in combat and should be "handy"... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The truth is, I didn't gave up on TrackIR, I have tried to adjust the deadzones and movement rates, but sometimes it just goes wrong - I know it is solely MY mistake, but since I have already mastered the mouselook and it doesn't bother me in anz way, I am using it still... Pure lazyness, I think... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But one sunny day, when I find that TrackIR might add something which I can't do without it, I will use it. It is a great product, can't say anything bad about it. The only problem is (as usual) somewhere between the chair and the keyboard. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Its good you kept flying using mouselook. It shows other people who don't have tir it is possible to fly locked pit and still do well. Some/many of the best il2 pilots use the same method in locked pit and kick butt.

Mispunt
03-05-2004, 03:38 AM
Yes, flying full real is so much more LESS unrealistic. You have my utmost respect for that. Now go away.

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BlackHawkLeader
03-05-2004, 03:53 AM
Im Glad the no **** pit view is Gone, in all the years I have flown IL-2, then Il-2/FB Online, I must confess I have never actualy used the non **** pit view.

Mayby this put me at a dis advantage at times, in some servers but I always rather liked shooting from inside the **** pit, using the proper gun site.

Mind you I like out side views because you can appreciate the inherant beuty of the game.
Not for a no **** pit view though too arcadish for me.

S!

PS Now all we have to do is GET RID OF the No instance success option as well.

The_Red_Spoon
03-05-2004, 03:56 AM
Oh how I hate the full realism brigade and their fascist mindset...

I play this game to have FUN - sometimes I play with the cockpit on (most of the time, tbh), and use the mouse/hat to look around (I've never used padlock for some reason), but sometimes I like to play with the cockpit off. I like external views too, but not for checking my six; I just like to see what/how other players are doing.

Casual players like myself just want to have fun. I'm always getting shot down by more experienced/skilled players, but every now and then I get my own back; I don't give a damn about my score...

Let people have full cockpit if they want it. Of course it makes things easier, but it's nowhere near as daft as unlimited ammo and unrealistic ballistics. THEY are the things that turn a simulation into an arcade game...

DaBallz
03-05-2004, 04:04 AM
Soon the full cockpit crowd will see the error
of their way's. They will rejoice in the
skins and scenery they are missing out on
and abandon the stuffy full cockpit only settings
and adopt the more intelligent, more fufulling
"cockpit optional" settings and pull their
arrogant heads out of their RECTUMS and see the light of day.
i doubt this prophecy will be fufulled quickly
as the forced full cockpit
crowd are intollerant of others settings.
The cockpit Facists must force the enlightened
cockpit optional guys to be stuck in the same
dungeon as them.
This masochistic behavior can only be explained
by the prevelent microencephalisation common
to the full cockpit only crowd.

Become a cockpit optional convert, see the light!
Let in the world and enjoy it!
Cockpit Optional is the stuff of freedom!

Da...

x6BL_Brando
03-05-2004, 04:10 AM
Lol! With only one arm I am a total fan of TrackIR!!!! Sure, it can be a bit clunky sometimes - and I would certainly use mouse look if I had two hands - but I get by OK along with a well-programmed (stuffed, more like) Fighterstick, and an old Quick Shot flight panel. But I've never thought of the no-c/pit alternative and I don't even have a command ascribed to it. I'd be glad to see this command become unavailable, at least on-line, and I'm always surprised at the number of arena's in HL that support it. I don't like the idea of having people be able to see me just by looking down through the cockpit floor, or the wing, or whatever.

On the biplane subject, I flew for years in Dawn of Aces - iEN's sadly neglected WW1 sim - mostly in Camels, Se5's and Brisfits and yes...the top wing certainly restricts your view! But you just have to learn a different approach to flying and SA...and really work on those stall turns and Immelmans. DoA on-line had limited external views, sometimes no icons, and the no-cockpit (training) option was locked out in on-line play. I'm looking forward to another biplane or two....Chaika vs Chaika is OK but very hard without icons - with differing aircraft it may make recognising the enemy a little less awkward!

DaBallz
03-05-2004, 04:16 AM
If Oleg deleted the no cockpit view it would
put him out of business.
hyper has plenty of optional view servers.
This gives you a wide choice.
Since you are intolerant of this situation
you can set up your own server.

Da...

Mirtma
03-05-2004, 04:23 AM
I never liked playing with cockpit off - but hey, that's my opinion.... It was hard to look arround with joystick hat - until I install NewView. When you set it by your needs it's great. Can't live without it.

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03-05-2004, 04:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlindHuck:
Baldie - Be a man and join the military, what the hell are you playing games for, huh?

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ummmmm I'm in the military. And I play this game. And I'm far from the only active duty guy to play IL-2. Not quite sure being in the military has to do with anything.

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Mispunt
03-05-2004, 04:24 AM
Fact is the "hardcore" full real flyers need us (medium-low realism flyers) to play the games they like.



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LEXX_Luthor
03-05-2004, 04:29 AM
Awsum post Brando. And this.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>and the no-cockpit (training) option was locked out in on-line play.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, like a training bra.



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Teufel_Eldritch
03-05-2004, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mirtma:
It was hard to look arround with joystick hat - until I install NewView. When you set it by your needs it's great. Can't live without it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>NewView? Got a link handy?

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madsarmy
03-05-2004, 05:00 AM
B***dy h*ll!
I didnt even know you could turn cockpit off http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Mirtma
03-05-2004, 05:36 AM
Try this one:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/djgwen/fb/newviewv26english.zip



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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>_Originally posted by Mirtma:_
_It was hard to look arround with joystick hat - until I install NewView. When you set it by your needs it's great. Can't live without it._<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>NewView? Got a link handy?

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BaldieJr
03-05-2004, 05:36 AM
RBJ always said: if you want to be an ace, you have to fly The Best(TM).

Well, The Best(TM) only works in cockpit. Precision flyers know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Mirtma
03-05-2004, 05:39 AM
Hm, better take a look at mudmovers - they have instructions...

http://www.mudmovers.com/Sims/FB/fb_newview.htm

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Punik
03-05-2004, 05:56 AM
Yes - the fact is, that this is a game. GAME. Mind association brings the word FUN instantly. Game - fun. Game - fun. Let us have fun. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Although I used to fly full real, now I prefer externals, because it gives me something I couldn't get when in war - enjoyment of watching my own plane flying, acrobatizing, flaming, exploding, and passing through gorgeous scenery. ...Yeah... ...I like that, full-reals, kill me if I will blame you for flying full real... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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NorrisMcWhirter
03-05-2004, 06:20 AM
Hi,

"Cockpit off is dead..."


Sure, that's why it has been taken out of the game!

I just noticed that the original post was generated automatically by file 'troll.pl'

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x6BL_Brando
03-05-2004, 06:24 AM
"Since you are intolerant of this situation
you can set up your own server."

Did you mean me DaB..? I know that intolerance is not one of my many faults..and I'll quite happily host an arena or a coop with my own preferred settings. It's perhaps one of the finest options the sim offers - notwithstanding all the rest! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
What I feel is that quite a few of the d/f arena's have the all-seeing eye enabled - which puts me off, for the reason I mentioned above and I regret that, - and I wonder why it's enabled at all.
For a similar reason I avoid full real (as in everything checked) because I find it too hard. Does this make me intolerant? I don't think so.

BaldieJr
03-05-2004, 06:32 AM
Oh grow up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

This isn't about 'fun' or 'preference' or 'imho'.

This is about maximizing your lethality by using every advantage available to you.

Turning off your cockpit is probably the biggest hinderance you can give yourself. AEP has made it so.

Only the misinformed will fly without thier cockpit.

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Teufel_Eldritch
03-05-2004, 06:40 AM
Mirtma;

Thanx for the linkage. Much appreciated. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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whoa! those instuctions are confusing! yikes!


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What is wrong with The All Seeing Eye?

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Mispunt
03-05-2004, 07:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:

This is about maximizing your lethality by using every advantage available to you.


Only the misinformed will fly without thier cockpit.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blah blah blah, I am better than thou, Blah Blah.

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GUNCAM
03-05-2004, 07:18 AM
Well , i would have to say that it is not. This is the most visually intense flight sim to come out. and i Know that NONE OF YOU have ever flown a REAL WW2 war plane. The ONLY one that has ,Goes by =353=MONROEQ. He said that it wasnt even close to real. it is still a game and will always be. I cant understand why people try to talk down to folks about this.It only matters to those who need to have their ego stroked. Alot of us like to have all the bells and buzzers and since we have most excellent skinners , it makes it even more nice to look at. And if you wondering...yes , that really is my wife jeannie on the side of my plane. Unless u had skins turned off and were in your cockpit..http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BaldieJr
03-05-2004, 07:47 AM
Ok. Have your holy war. Keep telling yourself that "oppressive" cockpit-on players are here just to make you feel bad.

Whatever. Rather than explore the new features of AEP before commenting, you people would rather take the defensive and put words in my month. You poor, poor victims!

You can keep your fish-bowl view and your FIXED GUNSIGHT. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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ouaouaron
03-05-2004, 08:01 AM
Cripes Baldie. Before you comment on other people take a good look in the mirror. In the thread above you state:
"You can keep your fish-bowl view and your FIXED GUNSIGHT."

In another recent post by you, the title of your post is:
"How Work Gunsight"?

And here is something else you wrote for another post, but it is best placed here:
"Die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread die thread"

Yep, a fighterjerk you are - save for the term fighter!

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The_Red_Spoon
03-05-2004, 08:11 AM
The new options in AEP are irrelevant; you are still just another narrow minded idiot who thinks their way of playing the game is the only way...

x6BL_Brando
03-05-2004, 08:12 AM
"x6BL_Brando
What is wrong with The All Seeing Eye?"

In itself, nothing. It does what it is intended to do which is to effectively remove all barriers to 360o vision, i.e. the airplane itself. I guess another description would be Superman view.

Personally I wouldn't want to use it because, for me, it dilutes an essential part of this or any flight sim - which is sitting inside the cockpit of an aircraft. All this is my subjective feeling, and I haven't any objection to anyone who wants to use their game in this way.

Where I have gotten confused is in seeing NCV as a training tool - and then wondering why quite a few so-called dogfight arenas would be allowing that tool to be enabled. I didn't see that it could be a fight game in its own right, and I'm sorry if I've raised a few tails.

Teufel_Eldritch
03-05-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GUNCAM:
Goes by =353=MONROEQ.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> IIRC he was a Jug & a Stang driver in the ETO.

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Teufel_Eldritch
03-05-2004, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
"x6BL_Brando
What is wrong with The All Seeing Eye?"

In itself, nothing. It does what it is intended to do which is to effectively remove all barriers to 360o vision, i.e. the airplane itself. I guess another description would be Superman view.

Personally I wouldn't want to use it because, for me, it dilutes an essential part of this or any flight sim - which is sitting inside the cockpit of an aircraft. All this is my subjective feeling, and I haven't any objection to anyone who wants to use their game in this way. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ahhhh...we must be talking about different things then. I was referring to the server browser.

The All Seeing Eye(server browser) (http://www.udpsoft.com/eye2/index.html)

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Old_Canuck
03-05-2004, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>....No-cockpit is dead.

....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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SodBuster43
03-05-2004, 08:28 AM
Personally I prefer full difficulty. This is not to be confused with full realism, which does not exist in any game.

The last time I was at an airshow I noticed that all of the WWII aircraft had some form of a "cockpit". I presume that someone actually sat in there and flew the plane. I doubt if WWII pilots could fly their aircraft from outside the aircraft. I would imagine if some kind of "hud" or "wonder woman view" had been developed they might have used it. But, as far as I know, this was not the case and they were forced to fly their aircraft in a conventional manner.

It has been mentioned that in order to insure sales any particular game must appeal to a wide spectrum of players. This seems to be the rationale for providing so many configuration settings. I think this is complete rubbish and players will learn how to play and be attracted to any particular game even if the difficulty settings are limited and the game is difficult to master. Lets face it, the focus of this game is on detail and acheiving some level of realism as compared to real life.

People/players will say that they don't get instant gratification with the full difficulty settings. They want to get right into the action, just shoot things down and blow things up, etc. etc. Why do some players feel they can't do this playing the game at more difficult settings? On scripted servers with clear objectives and high difficulty settings the action is usually fast and furious. Even if you are required to fly half way across the map to join the battle or find your target. A carefully crafted map will force players to converge in certain areas and finding targets is usually not too difficult.

BaldieJr
03-05-2004, 08:30 AM
The pot continues to call the kettle black.

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Name callers and ego-punks beware: you're gonna be one of two things soon:

Pwn3d
In cockpit.

The writing is on the wall.
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WOLFMondo
03-05-2004, 08:45 AM
If people want the settings just the way they want them then they should think about hosting a server themselves and putting the setting they want on that server and quit dictating to other people how they should play and enjoy the game.

I see tons of servers on ASE, HL and the Ubi service all with different levels of settings. Its not hard to find one to suite individual tastes.

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Mispunt
03-05-2004, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
The pot continues to call the kettle black.

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Name callers and ego-punks beware: you're gonna be one of two things soon:

Pwn3d
In cockpit.

The writing is on the wall.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Excuse me, you started calling us: "the uninformed".
And you will _never_ Pwn me, because I will not be flying on Full Real servers.

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Old_Canuck
03-05-2004, 08:54 AM
I agree with the you-paid-for-it-enjoy-it-the-way-you-want crowd but I just can't fly this sim without a cockpit. Tried it once to humor a friend online and went right back to virtual cockpit within seconds.

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LilHorse
03-05-2004, 09:02 AM
I love when this debate comes up now. No end to the fun! Anyway, I wouldn't even know how to turn the cockpit off if the option were enabled LOL! I've never played any flight sim with cockpit off. " 'Cause, hey man, that's just MY preference. Okay?" LOL!

I have noticed something here, though. It seems I'm in the minority when it comes to view options. Everybody's talking about TIR or mouselook. I've always been a number pad view guy. After a while you don't even realize your doing it (until you goof up your look that is, hehe). My left hand fingers just know where to go now when I want to look around. I even have my comms talkback button mapped to the decimal point for easy access.

Although TIR looks like a nice option, my rig probably wouldn't handle it well. Guess I'll have to wait till I get a new comp before I use TIR.

BaldieJr
03-05-2004, 09:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mispunt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
The pot continues to call the kettle black.

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Name callers and ego-punks beware: you're gonna be one of two things soon:

Pwn3d
In cockpit.

The writing is on the wall.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Excuse me, you started calling us: "the uninformed".
And you will _never_ Pwn me, because I will not be flying on Full Real servers.

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Oh yeah, misinformed is such a put-down. You were implying that I think I'm better than someone. I don't think that at all.

I do think that I currently have more information than you do. If that stings, you must have a pretty tough time in life. Red-lights are put on streets just to impede you?

Anyways: I can leave my beloved pit on while flying with precision in wonderwoman servers. It seems there is a good chance that you will indeed get pwn3d.

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Clue: This thread is about the Ace-Maker gunsight. No part of this thread is about personal preference, personal choice, or personal opinion. You cockpitless pilots have a pavlovian response to the term 'no-cockpit'. Its a shame, because all a good pilot has to do is post a message with "no cockpit is dead. btw, here is how you beat a '162 with a g.50", and noone will read the good information, they'll start knee-jerking to the sounds of a cockpit holy war.

Pathetic.

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JG27_Arklight
03-05-2004, 10:16 AM
The question isn't why someone would use Cockpit On or Cockpit Off....

The question is why do people use anything other then HL?

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Mispunt
03-05-2004, 02:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:

Oh yeah, misinformed is such a put-down. You were implying that I think I'm better than someone. I don't think that at all.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Funny that considering you call us dumb and immature...


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I do think that I currently have more information than you do. If that stings, you must have a pretty tough time in life. Red-lights are put on streets just to impede you?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It doesn't sting because I don't care what you know. It's your arrogance I find stinging.
But go on pat yourself on the back, that's the point of the original post I believe. Not the Ace Maker gunsight. But if you were more clear you'd never have gotten the reactions you're after since there'd be no controversy.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Anyways: I can leave my beloved pit on while flying with precision in wonderwoman servers. It seems there is a good chance that you will indeed get pwn3d.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I get pwn3d quite often so once again I don't care.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Clue: This thread is about the Ace-Maker gunsight. No part of this thread is about personal preference, personal choice, or personal opinion. You cockpitless pilots have a pavlovian response to the term 'no-cockpit'. Its a shame, because all a good pilot has to do is post a message with "no cockpit is dead. btw, here is how you beat a '162 with a g.50", and noone will read the good information, they'll start knee-jerking to the sounds of a cockpit holy war.

Pathetic.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed pathetic.



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GR142-Pipper
03-05-2004, 04:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
How are new people supposed to get used to the game if they don't have the cockpit off option? Sorry but on 1 of the servers I run I have the option for cockpit of as allot of my freinds at wolf who play this are new to it so they have the option of flying easy for a while to get to grips with it.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, cockpit off for those to get used to the game is quite reasonable. It's how I got started before moving to cockpit-on/no externals servers.

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Teufel_Eldritch
03-05-2004, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
The question is why do people use anything other then HL?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I use several browsers/launchers as they provide me with access to more players.

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Oblomka
03-05-2004, 08:48 PM
You "friends don't let friends fly arcade" guys crack me up. You remind me of the sanctimonious twits at my golf course who insist that everyone in their group play from the back tees regardless of skill level, interest in the GAME, or the playing conditions. You must be hell on your young kids...no bumpers at the bowling alley, burning Dr Seuss books in favor of the Wall Street Journal, fountain pens instead of crayons, etc.
I might be wrong, but I think most of us who play this game are adult males. Adult males who sit in front of a glorified TV screen with a joystick in our hands and play airplane. How far removed are we from the two kids with model airplanes who chase each other around in the backyard and make that annoying "BRRRRRBRRRRRBRRRRR" sound? I have never flown in a combat aircraft and neither have most of you. We have no idea what it's really like bouncing all over the sky while trying to get an insanely difficult gun solution on a target moving 350kts with his buddy trying to get the same solution on you. No reflys, no 30-minute time-outs, no game-overs. One mistake and it was often a permanent dirt nap, my heroes. Even the full-difficulty nazis are much closer to the kids in the backyard than they are to Gabreski and Galland. Get some perspective, boys. We're playing a game here. A diversion. Having fun. Cockpits, icons, maps, who really cares? Fly however you want. As that great western philosopher Dennis Leary once remarked, "Sad, Sad, Sad."
For those of you who do fly full difficulty and do it well, here's a big sincere S!. It's a damned tough game, and it takes a lot of skill to fly well at those settings. And a bigger S! goes out to those who can do it well but don't make a chest-thumping, look-at-me issue out of it (which is probably the vast majority of the full-...... crowd).
I think I just heard my 7-year old put in that stupid Winnie the Pooh DVD again. When will she learn that watching "The Killing Fields" is the only way to prepare herself for a full-switch life? Gotta throw another DVD into the fireplace.

LW_Cobra
03-05-2004, 09:29 PM
Nicely said Oblomka, it's just a game. When they turn that monitor we all look at into a 3 dimensional view out of a Bf109 and you go head to head with a Yak firing real bullets through the windows I'll respect anybody that *****es about cockpit on/off - 'til then Shut The F*&@ Up you whiney breeding dogs.

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Tully__
03-05-2004, 10:04 PM
This is quite a friendly flame fest isn't it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Baldie, how about you try explaining what's so appealing about locked pit instead of trash talking everyone?

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Recon_609IAP
03-05-2004, 10:25 PM
When are they going to open up the under-age forum section?

time to sweep these post into a new forum.

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BaldieJr
03-05-2004, 10:27 PM
No-cockpit = no lead-computing gunsight.

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arcadeace
03-05-2004, 10:29 PM
Excellent suggestion Recon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif and its nice to see you here Tully. I haven't participated in this one but its become totally pathetic. How many people here just look at this and think why?

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03-05-2004, 11:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
No-cockpit = no lead-computing gunsight.


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Well that makes things a lot clearer.


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Old_Canuck
03-06-2004, 12:12 AM
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It was worth reading it all for that one flash of inspiration: "cockpitless pilots." Has a nice ring to it doesn't it? It sounds a bit like Sh**less pilots but has a crotch-grabbing quality to it as well. Priceless IMAO. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

OC

"You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing."