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swambast
05-07-2004, 08:27 AM
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Well, before you know it, the Track IR3 has been born. Anyone here plan on ordering it, or perhaps already ordered it? If so, maybe we could work together on maximizing results for use in FB+AEP if you're interested? I've ordered the Track IR3 Professional version as my birthday gift, and am looking forward to checking it out as soon as it arrives. I'll certainly be reporting back to the community regarding the results!!! (NOTE: I tried the first ever TrackIR long ago, and thought it was absolutely terrible. I decided to give this product another shot, so I am both nervous and excited about this gift).

Here is some more info on the TIR3 (this is the top-end professional version):

http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/products/trackir3pro.html

The TrackIR 3-Pro is NaturalPoint's premium product, the best optical headtracking system available. Blazing along at a refresh rate of 120fps, TrackIR3-Pro is 50% faster than the TrackIR 3 (80fps), and 4 times faster than a standard WebCam (30fps). Based on a new image processor, TrackIR 3-Pro has 67% more resolution and improved optical performance that allows it to work in direct sunlight, delivering a performance difference that will rock your view! TrackIR 3-Pro is the best optical headtracker that money can buy.

swambast
05-07-2004, 08:27 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Well, before you know it, the Track IR3 has been born. Anyone here plan on ordering it, or perhaps already ordered it? If so, maybe we could work together on maximizing results for use in FB+AEP if you're interested? I've ordered the Track IR3 Professional version as my birthday gift, and am looking forward to checking it out as soon as it arrives. I'll certainly be reporting back to the community regarding the results!!! (NOTE: I tried the first ever TrackIR long ago, and thought it was absolutely terrible. I decided to give this product another shot, so I am both nervous and excited about this gift).

Here is some more info on the TIR3 (this is the top-end professional version):

http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/products/trackir3pro.html

The TrackIR 3-Pro is NaturalPoint's premium product, the best optical headtracking system available. Blazing along at a refresh rate of 120fps, TrackIR3-Pro is 50% faster than the TrackIR 3 (80fps), and 4 times faster than a standard WebCam (30fps). Based on a new image processor, TrackIR 3-Pro has 67% more resolution and improved optical performance that allows it to work in direct sunlight, delivering a performance difference that will rock your view! TrackIR 3-Pro is the best optical headtracker that money can buy.

Xnomad
05-07-2004, 08:42 AM
The only real difference I can tell between TrackIR 1 and TrackIR 2 is that it's slightly smoother and I never ever lose tracking. I can't undertand how TrackIR 3 is going to improve on this.

Even if it runs at a faster FPS it's useless to me because even panning with the mouse isn't any smoother for me compared to my TrackIR 2. If TrackIR 3 offered another dimension for future games so it would read your head movements leaning forward and backwards left and right to see around bars then I would buy it.

The system is still going to be the same it might just be a bit smoother that's all.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
05-07-2004, 09:02 AM
Likely not. I still have TIR1 that runs flawlessly.



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BaldieJr
05-07-2004, 09:17 AM
I agree with everyone else. I'm happy with Tir2.

I'm not happy with a once-a-year upgrade. Naturalpoint needs to understand that incremental improvements to a device that is not neccessary is a dumb idea. It just makes the consumer feel like they're being taken advantage of.

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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McCallaway
05-07-2004, 09:33 AM
Or maybe the money they got with the great sales of TIR2 allowed them to fund further developpement of the device, allowing them to sell a slightly better product for the people who haven't got TIR2 yet. You are not forced to buy the thing are you ?

Scen
05-07-2004, 09:44 AM
Just to add my 2 cents in there.

I love my TIR2 it's one of the best investments in flight simming I've made. I think it's on par with getting a HOTAS back in the day.

The resolution and speed will make a slight difference to folks that have a TIR2 however I think the most important feature is they changed the imager. Which means you don't have to worry about light sources behind you. That single feature in it's self is the reason I want to upgrade even though I've had my TIR2 for only a few months.

The pisser is I asked Natralpoint if they where going to offer some sort of upgrade path and in short NO. Which blows for those of us that want to upgrade in such a short time.

Anyone interested in purchasing a perfectly good TIR2?

Scendore

Diablo310th
05-07-2004, 10:10 AM
well after having problems with mine last night using teh 3.10 drivers I uninstalled and reinstalled with 2.12beta drivers. I got fed up with it and ordered teh TIR3 pro myself. As my g/f said..u spend enough time flying why not order urself teh best. She even offered to pay for it. So 3 day select and it's here as soon as they process the order. I only dread having to set up a new profile now.

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BaldieJr
05-07-2004, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by McCallaway:
Or maybe the money they got with the great sales of TIR2 allowed them to fund further developpement of the device, allowing them to sell a slightly better product for the people who haven't got TIR2 yet. You are not forced to buy the thing are you ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm all for advancing the technology, but going from 100hz to 120hz is a fairly small step.

The change from Tir1 to Tir2 was almost double, but to be honest, the feel of the device does not reflect this.

I'm not bashing naturalpoint, i'm bashing thier marketing scheme. I like thier product, but after 'falling for it' when tir2 came about, I'm hesitant to upgrade again unless they do something really impressive, like work in another dimension (depth) or something like that.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

</pre>

609IAP_Recon
05-07-2004, 10:37 AM
I have TIR1 and moved to TIR2. I've been very happy with TIR2.

I doubt I'll make this move - seems too soon. Perhaps I'll skip a generation and wait for TIR4 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Salute!

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maxim26
05-07-2004, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
well after having problems with mine last night using teh 3.10 drivers I uninstalled and reinstalled with 2.12beta drivers. I got fed up with it and ordered teh TIR3 pro myself. As my g/f said..u spend enough time flying why not order urself teh best. She even offered to pay for it. So 3 day select and it's here as soon as they process the order. I only dread having to set up a new profile now.

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I installed 3.10 drivers for my TrackIR2 myself only to find thet it works wit new drivers as good as with old. I dont understent the point to upgrade to TrackIR3, even the background light is not enough reason from me as I dont play outdoorshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

But i sould admit thet you have wounderfull girlfrend.

609IAP_Recon
05-07-2004, 11:17 AM
I installed the new drivers - they caused my system to run very slow .

I removed them, using the version 3, they worked fine for me

Salute!

IV/JG51_Recon

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Slammin_
05-07-2004, 11:49 AM
My machine is fast enough that I can see a huge difference between panning with the mouse and panning with my TR1, so I ordered my TR-3 Pro already.

Diablo310th
05-07-2004, 11:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by maxim26:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Diablo310th:
well after having problems with mine last night using teh 3.10 drivers I uninstalled and reinstalled with 2.12beta drivers. I got fed up with it and ordered teh TIR3 pro myself. As my g/f said..u spend enough time flying why not order urself teh best. She even offered to pay for it. So 3 day select and it's here as soon as they process the order. I only dread having to set up a new profile now.
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I installed 3.10 drivers for my TrackIR2 myself only to find thet it works wit new drivers as good as with old. I dont understent the point to upgrade to TrackIR3, even the background light is not enough reason from me as I dont play outdoorshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

But i sould admit thet you have wounderfull girlfrend.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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maxim26...I have one of the early TIR1's. I think that may have alot to do with why teh new drivers jsut don't work well at all. I've upgraded my equipment alot since buying teh first TIR and figured it was time to upgrade one of the most important parts to flying. There is no way i could go back to flying without it. Slammin..I'm with you on that one. I'm looking forward to having faster smoother panning.

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LeadSpitter_
05-07-2004, 12:03 PM
No, hat switch works fine for fighting, track ir is just good for bombing ground targets

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Jambock_sydy
05-12-2004, 06:32 PM
Hi,

I just bought IR3 Pro and it arrives next friday. Count on me to help w/ any improve you think about it.

All the best,

sydy@jambock.com

Arm_slinger
05-12-2004, 06:42 PM
I;m thinking about it as i dont have TIR at all. Apprantly (i've not looked into it yet) but i can get hold of TIR3 more cheaply than TIR2 in Britian.

I suppose its a case of looking around as by the sounds of it there is little difference between 2 and 3

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arcadeace
05-12-2004, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by McCallaway:
Or maybe the money they got with the great sales of TIR2 allowed them to fund further developpement of the device, allowing them to sell a slightly better product for the people who haven't got TIR2 yet. You are not forced to buy the thing are you ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. A newer, slightly better product is coming out, like video cards, memory, motherboards etc.. I haven't seen as big a stink from owners of previous versions than with Track IR. Its almost comical, they wish it wasn't happening http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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BigDukeSixx
05-13-2004, 12:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I agree with everyone else. I'm happy with Tir2.

I'm not happy with a once-a-year upgrade. Naturalpoint needs to understand that incremental improvements to a device that _is not neccessary_ is a dumb idea. It just makes the consumer feel like they're being taken advantage of.

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Yeah, like they are forcing you to upgrade! All they are doing is making the thing better and giving new and old customers a choice.

raaaid
05-13-2004, 04:27 AM
can you use trackir with microsft fs 2004?

blairgowrie
05-13-2004, 05:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by raaaid:
can you use trackir with microsft fs 2004?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it has a profile for FS 2004.

And I will likely upgrade to TIR3 since I have problems with my TIR2. I have large windows on 3 sides of my computer room which let in too much light.

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Extreme_One
05-13-2004, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunderbolt56:
Likely not. I still have TIR1 that runs flawlessly.



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Ditto! (apart from the newest drivers not working)

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swambast
05-13-2004, 08:49 AM
Well, got a notice that my TrackIR3 Pro has been shipped! If anyone is interested in working together to create an optimized FB Profile, please give me a shout at swambast@yahoo.com! Thanks!

[This message was edited by swambast on Thu May 13 2004 at 10:08 AM.]

Scen
05-13-2004, 10:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BigDukeSixx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I agree with everyone else. I'm happy with Tir2.

I'm not happy with a once-a-year upgrade. Naturalpoint needs to understand that incremental improvements to a device that _is not neccessary_ is a dumb idea. It just makes the consumer feel like they're being taken advantage of.

[/code]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, like they are forcing you to upgrade! All they are doing is making the thing better and giving new and old customers a choice.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah no... This information is incorrect. I had a nice conversation with Naturalpoint the other day and on the contrary to popular believe they stumbled upon the new version.

I found out they where very happy with the original imager but they found out they couldn't get them anymore. So the ended up going to another supplier and they picked up a new and better imager. So in essence they where forced to make the upgrade.

I told them I was a bit bummed about spending money on my TIR a few months ago and I find out they are releasing a new version. I had a chance to talk with them about the differences.

Apparently the differences are big between the TIR2 and the 3. He said you will notice it right off the bat and the fact it doesn't get confused with other light sources is a big deal.

Once I get a hold of mine which should be next week sometime, I would be happy to post my realworld experience between the two.

Scendore

capt_frank
05-13-2004, 02:50 PM
i just finished ordering a trackir3. i've never used a trackir before so it should be interesting to say the least... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

i never could get used to padlock, seems i'd get soooooooo disoriented with it...plus my hat switch skills are really just short of pathetic. so on a cockpit on server, i've always just kinda "winged it". actually, normally, just lost a wing or two. seems my situational awarenesss just sucks.

looking forward to it!

cheers,

frank

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renatomorais
05-14-2004, 03:58 PM
Scen, please post your ideas about the 2 TIRs!! We really need that. There are to many guesses about this! Some say they are few, others say they are gigantic!

Scen
05-14-2004, 04:08 PM
I will ASAP. I found out my unit shipped yesterday so there is a very slight chance it's here today. As soon as I get it I will do a little write up.

Scendore

PriK
05-14-2004, 04:24 PM
Ok, I know there are a million TIR threads these days but I'll try to answer any questions and clear up any misconceptions here. I'm on the beta team for the TIR units and have been using them since TIR1.

1) Did they come out with a TIR3 and TIR3pro to make users of the older units feel bad?

Er, no. Just like in the real world there are upgrades and modifications as technology advances. In fact, the price for a TIR3pro is the same as I paid for my TIR1 when it came out. This time they even have a unit that's a little better than the TIR2 to replace it at lesser cost.

2) Do us TIR2 users have to upgrade to TIR3 to get light sensitivity adjustments?

Those of you that own TIR2 units now will get a nice surprise with the new drivers. They will unlock a feature in the hardware that the TIR3 units share, namely the 'camera threshold' setting which allows you to adjust for light sensitivity. Again, this is not something exclusive to TIR3 users!

3) How much better are the new units?

My experience with the TIR3pro is that it is noticeably more precise than a TIR2 unit. With that said I don't know if I would spend the bucks to go from a TIR2 to a TIR3 right off the hop (luckily they were nice enough to give me one). However, if you are used to a TIR1 it's like going from a serial ball-mouse to a USB laser mouse for feel and if you are a serious gamer or have the extra bucks to spend then it is a noticeably better device!

On a side note, the new drivers also have an improved smoothing algorithm that reduces the motion lag somewhat on ALL of the TIR devices! Basically, a free upgrade for everyone. The new TIR3pro unit and drivers are so precise and responsive now it feels pretty much like a laser pointer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Lav69
05-14-2004, 05:22 PM
I ordered TrackIR3 Pro today. But I have never had any of the previous versions so I will have nothing to compare it to. I am really excited about it being on the way.

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InyerEye
05-14-2004, 05:29 PM
Got one on the way.
$109 for the Pro model(with a out-dated Trackir 2 coupon in LOMAC).
Any day now...

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Scen
05-17-2004, 11:51 PM
Well I said I would take a moment and write up a quick review once I received my new TIR3.

To sum it up there isn't that much of a difference between my TIR2 and the TIR3 Pro. I only noticed a slight difference in terms of smoothness but that can be due to the fact my frame rate might not be high enough to truly show the difference.

I currently run the game in 16X12 and I'm gettin anywhere from 30-40 on the high side in terms of FPM. With that said I do notice the same amount of twitch as with my TIR2. That's not to say is better or worse it's just that preception wise I don't see that much difference.

That may change as I keep updating my systems to a faster CPU and VPU/GPU over time. And it may become more obvious but for now it's minimal.

Now where I hope it makes a difference is with the resistance to light sources behind the unit. Now I do understand the new drivers have some of the same features but I don't know how that translates into real world differences with the hardware.

So in short if you already own a TIR2 I can say no it's not really worth the upgrade per say. I will do some more testing to confirm the new TIR3s ability to resist other light sources in the room.

Again I'm only seeing slight differences between the two.

Scendore out.

YouthInAsia
05-18-2004, 12:35 AM
I ordered mine (TIR3 Pro) Monday morning so hopefully it'll arrive today, got it from the UK distributer eDimensional. Never had the previous versions but all your threads on them combined with the tracks I've watched has "forced" me to buy one. Can't wait. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Oh and I'm also new here so hello the community http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

musickna
05-18-2004, 08:56 AM
I probably will get TIR 3 Pro eventually, but solely because I want to have two computers at home running Track IR. I am very content with my TIR 2, and like others, found no improvement with the 3.10 drivers so returned to the 3.03's. For some reason the 3.10's made me feel dizzy vs. the 3.03's! Strange! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TC_Stele
05-18-2004, 09:05 AM
I just got mine yesterday. Played around with it a little bit last night.

Whatta trip. I was pretty impressed with this little devise. I probably need to do some more tweaking but I too got a little dizzy in just a few minutes of flight. That something I'll get use to or do I still need to tweak it?