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Ruy Horta
04-17-2004, 01:49 AM
Okay, my first attempt at a direct request (*).

Although you haven't given us all the details yet (since many are probably still not in a stage to be shared) I'd like to request and propose an idea for a workable floatplane base, one that will enable the use of flyable floatplanes. The idea is simple and there is a good chance that your team has come up with the same or a superior plan.

Floatplanes are not the issue, IL2 has had AI floatplanes since the beginning, however intergrating a flyable floatplane requires a base.

So all actually revolves about creating a workable airfield for floatable a/c.

Well according to what little I have on the topic, these forward bases were relatively simple affairs - consisiting mainly of a couple of huts near the beach and a nice quiet cove of some sort.

The spawn point being along the beach faced outwards. The final landing zone (what will qualify as a true landing) a square area infront of the base, perhaps even touching the beach (some buoys marking the area as a concession?).

The Rufe has already been mentioned as an easy conversion (float, tail), but nothing about it being flyable or having a base.

Here's something to get a taste. Although I prefer "workhorses", some exotics have real merrit.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/TEMP/Rufe1.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/TEMP/Rufe2.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/TEMP/Rufe3.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/TEMP/Rufe4.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/TEMP/Rufe6.jpg

Ruy Horta

* Since an earlier PM was painfully ignored.

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Ruy Horta
04-17-2004, 01:49 AM
Okay, my first attempt at a direct request (*).

Although you haven't given us all the details yet (since many are probably still not in a stage to be shared) I'd like to request and propose an idea for a workable floatplane base, one that will enable the use of flyable floatplanes. The idea is simple and there is a good chance that your team has come up with the same or a superior plan.

Floatplanes are not the issue, IL2 has had AI floatplanes since the beginning, however intergrating a flyable floatplane requires a base.

So all actually revolves about creating a workable airfield for floatable a/c.

Well according to what little I have on the topic, these forward bases were relatively simple affairs - consisiting mainly of a couple of huts near the beach and a nice quiet cove of some sort.

The spawn point being along the beach faced outwards. The final landing zone (what will qualify as a true landing) a square area infront of the base, perhaps even touching the beach (some buoys marking the area as a concession?).

The Rufe has already been mentioned as an easy conversion (float, tail), but nothing about it being flyable or having a base.

Here's something to get a taste. Although I prefer "workhorses", some exotics have real merrit.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/TEMP/Rufe1.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/TEMP/Rufe2.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/TEMP/Rufe3.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/TEMP/Rufe4.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/TEMP/Rufe6.jpg

Ruy Horta

* Since an earlier PM was painfully ignored.

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luthier1
04-17-2004, 12:40 PM
Of course we'll have floatplane bases. Regardless of having flyable floatplanes those were pretty much everywhere and were targets of frequent air raids.

So you'll definitely see those in PF.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

Box-weasel
04-17-2004, 02:16 PM
http://www.warbirdsinscale.com/images/gallery/petesergey/F1mbt.jpg
I sure hope this one makes it into the lineup at some point. First blood at Guadalcanal was the destruction of the Japanese seaplane base at Tulagi.
http://www.wwiitech.net/main/japan/aircraft/f1m/fig2.jpg
Powered by the Mitsubishi Zuisei 13 fourteen-cylinder radial driving a three-bladed propeller, the F1M2, as the improved type was christened, had a longer, sleeker engine cowling to improve both forward visibility and streamlining. The wings now had straight leading edges instead of the elliptical design formerly used on the F1M1. The wing dihedral was increased from 2 to 3 degrees, and the vertical fin and rudder were increased in area by 85% and 30%, respectively. Revised like this, the type's water handling and aerial handling characteristics were improved to the Navy's satisfaction, and so the F1M2 entered production late in 1940 under the full designation, Navy Type 0 Observation Seaplane Model 11.



The aircraft never changed throughout its production life, which ended in March of 1944. Mitsubishi built 524 F1M2s, including the prototype, while the 21st Naval Air Arsenal at Sasebo built an additional 590, for a total of 1,114 plus the original four F1M1 prototypes. Incredibly maneuverable despite the drag imposed by its floats, the Pete served throughout the war, based on battleships, cruisers, and seaplane tenders, and also flying from shore installations. It was most heavily encountered in the Aleutians, and especially the Solomons, where Japan had seaplane bases at Tulagi, Rekata Bay on the northern shore of Santa Isabel island, and the small Shortlands Archipelago just south of Bougainville island. Despite its weak armament of two forward-firing 7.7mm guns, a single flexible gun of identical caliber in the rear seat position, and a bombload of only two 132-lb. bombs, the Pete proved quite successful as a fighter and dive bomber, supporting Japanese amphibious operations in those areas where aircraft carriers and land-based air support were not available. The infamous "Washing-Machine Charlie", a Japanese seaplane which made harassing attacks on Guadalcanal at night from the Rekata Bay seaplane base, was an F1M2. The results obtained by bomb-carrying Petes led Mitsubishi to experiment with loading a single 551-lb. bomb onto the airplane, but the F1M2 was seriously overloaded when attempting to utilize this weapon, and the idea was not accepted for production. Rather more successful was the conversion of an unknown but nevertheless small number of Petes for the advanced trainer role, these being designated F1M2-K.



Perhaps the best final word on the Pete would be a paraphrase of Forrest Gump: "Obsolete is as obsolete does"!


http://www.wwiitech.net/main/japan/aircraft/f1m/fig4.jpg

Ruy Horta
04-17-2004, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
Of course we'll have floatplane bases. Regardless of having flyable floatplanes those were pretty much everywhere and were targets of frequent air raids.

So you'll definitely see those in PF.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Direct and welcome answer, thanks Luthier.

But now I'll start nagging about the Flyable Rufe!

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Ruy Horta

Aeronautico
04-18-2004, 06:05 PM
Yes, the Rufe, please...

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A.

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