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AdioKIP
06-20-2004, 09:26 PM
Is there anyway to setup the rotary knob on the X-45 to control the zoom of the map and the mouse cursor to control the movement of the map. Since there is no way to assign keypresses to controlling the map I can't think of a way to do this.....

AdioKIP
06-20-2004, 09:26 PM
Is there anyway to setup the rotary knob on the X-45 to control the zoom of the map and the mouse cursor to control the movement of the map. Since there is no way to assign keypresses to controlling the map I can't think of a way to do this.....

T_O_A_D
06-20-2004, 11:09 PM
Not sure about the mouse button but the rotary can be banded to do what you want. Thats if your using the latest Saitek drivers for it.

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OldMan____
06-21-2004, 04:53 AM
I am thinking about buyng this joystick. Does it worth the extra money? (please remember I need to import from USA, so 25 dollars per kilogram and at end multiply cost by 3 dues to the conversion between local money and dollars).. so here it is quite expensive.

Just wanna be sure it is a good quality stuff. I had several Logitech and form other ugly branch jouys and they were all HORIBLE! Now I use a MS Sidewinder 1, so I am pleased a lot. But i doesn have hatch or a third axis, so I am in lack of proper controls.

Sowhat worth more.. this X45 or the Saytek Cyborg ?

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

T_O_A_D
06-21-2004, 06:07 AM
MY x-45 is 2 years old no problems. I wore out 4 logitechs. Your Micro stick wouls work nicely as a spare or possibly main stick and use 45 throttle and use 45 stick for button bay depends on your hand size. I feel and alot of others that the centering is too sloppy there is a fix but major PIA. Also center spring is too firm some say. It is easy fix. Other than that it is rock solid for me and I put about 10+ hours on it every week on an avarage depends on wheather sometimes alot more.

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OldMan____
06-21-2004, 06:33 AM
I cant see in the picture.. but does its joy has a hatch? That is the thing I miss most in my SideWinder.

And I quite not understand how the x45 thortle works.. it's only a button bay.. or that handle can be pushed or twisted like a real thortle?

Anyway.. thanks for attention.

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Zayets
06-21-2004, 06:41 AM
Banding programming with stock Saitek drivers is cr@p.Of course if we are talking about driver from 28/04/03 (the latest one). You can't increment/decrement as you do with Dhauzimmer driver.For banding programming as it should work use DZ driver,if you don't care, split the band in 3 (neutral in middle) and you can have a primitive yet functional zoom capability with the stock drivers.Otherwise,prepare yourself to learn something from wonderful world of Dhauzimmer drivers/utils.

PS:FYI,I use stock drivers since I did a major rehaul on my machine.Soon I will install DZ drivers again.

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JG301_nils
06-21-2004, 06:46 AM
Toad, you say that adjusting the Center spring of X-45 can be done, how?
I too find it too firm.
I considered just cutting the spring, but I find it to go a bit too far. Any other solutions? I was also used to a old MS FF, with the FF cable gone so there was no return to center, but I thought it was just great with a loose stick. The X-45 is a bit too firm.

Tully__
06-21-2004, 06:48 AM
Yes you can set up the rotary to control zoom, but it wont be "one way to zoom in, the other to zoom out". Because the map zoom cycles in and out on a single mouse key press and the number of clicks from minimum to maximum varies with map size, you're going to have it end up out of synch if you try to make it directional.

As for using the mouse cursor to move the map, again yes, but you'll need to combine it with a "left mouse click" assignment on one of the other buttons.

If you'd like I can work up a couple of simple profiles that demonstrate a couple of options, but none of them will be ideal. Even using Dhauzimmer's you won't get the directional zoom you seem to be aiming for on the rotary.

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T_O_A_D
06-21-2004, 06:48 AM
Zayets how much trouble is it to learn the DZ driver. I just got a Nostromo N52 and plan on intergrating it into my rig. So maybey I might just maybe try the DZ.

Here is more on my setup. If you have microsoft office you can view it. http://home.mchsi.com/~131st___vfw/Toads_X-45.doc

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Zayets
06-21-2004, 06:53 AM
I learn it from Tully http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Is nothing at all,if you did basic programming , configuring your very own profile is a joy. And I can swear that you'll save your profile made for DZ driver somewhere safe.That's because you really worked on it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
Seriously,Tully can give your details, lemme look for a thread few months ago I wrote to Tully.

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Zayets
06-21-2004, 06:57 AM
There (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=482109462)ya go TOAD. Hope it serves you.

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T_O_A_D
06-21-2004, 07:11 AM
Well I have a link wioth pictures but I guess I bookmarked it at work http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Basicly you just get a few small cable ties, tie wraps, zip ties what ever you call them and sinch them around the coils say grab two on one side then same two on opposite side and squeze them down. It will effectivley shorten the spring and soften its pressure.

Zayets Thanks I'll see what I can come up with. I am not a programmer in the slightest way though.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG301_nils:
Toad, you say that adjusting the Center spring of X-45 can be done, how?
I too find it too firm.
I considered just cutting the spring, but I find it to go a bit too far. Any other solutions? I was also used to a old MS FF, with the FF cable gone so there was no return to center, but I thought it was just great with a loose stick. The X-45 is a bit too firm.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
Commanding Officer of the 131st_VFW (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
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OldMan____
06-21-2004, 07:31 AM
You mentioned using as spare joystick.. so.. IL2 handles two joystick well?

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

Tully__
06-21-2004, 07:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Well I have a link wioth pictures but I guess I bookmarked it at work http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Basicly you just get a few small cable ties, tie wraps, zip ties what ever you call them and sinch them around the coils say grab two on one side then same two on opposite side and squeze them down. It will effectivley shorten the spring and soften its pressure.

Zayets Thanks I'll see what I can come up with. I am not a programmer in the slightest way though.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG301_nils:
Toad, you say that adjusting the Center spring of X-45 can be done, how?
I too find it too firm.
I considered just cutting the spring, but I find it to go a bit too far. Any other solutions? I was also used to a old MS FF, with the FF cable gone so there was no return to center, but I thought it was just great with a loose stick. The X-45 is a bit too firm.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1
http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/
http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/T_O_A_D.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TOAD, if you need hand or even a pre-built profile just let me know. I haven't done any programming for the speed pad, but it can't be much different to the X-45. I can certainly help out with the syntax for HS or XDProfile. You can also get a LOT of good assistance with D's drivers and associated profiling software from the SimHQ Saitek Hardware Forum. (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=79) There's not a lot of traffic, but the regulars there are all keen and expert users of D's drivers (including D himself and the authors of HS, XDProfile and Biped).

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T_O_A_D
06-21-2004, 04:08 PM
Thanks Tully I'll set some time back in the next couple weeks to try and get my head around it.

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_VR_ScorpionWorm
06-21-2004, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
You mentioned using as spare joystick.. so.. IL2 handles two joystick well?

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Il2 can handle mutiple joysticks, rudders, and input devices.

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AdioKIP
06-21-2004, 08:37 PM
Thanks for the replies. I had already thought of setting the rotary up for the zoom but its like you sayed the game only allows for zoom one way. Thats what I pretty much figured. Basically my real question boiled down to is there any way to map any of the map functions like moving around to keyboard presses so I can then map them to my X-45....

As far as the person who asked was an X-45 worth it, I bought mine about 8 months ago. As far as value goes it can't be beat. It could have more plain push buttons on the throttle but thats not a real complaint. For the casual gamer who doesn't want to spend $200 on CH products or $300 on a cougar + the cost of a joystick then the X-45 is the best option...

AdioKIP
06-21-2004, 08:40 PM
Thanks for the replies. I had already thought of setting the rotary up for the zoom but its like you sayed the game only allows for zoom one way. Thats what I pretty much figured. Basically my real question boiled down to is there any way to map any of the map functions like moving around to keyboard presses so I can then map them to my X-45....

T_O_A_D
06-21-2004, 11:48 PM
I'm at work now and I found the link for the Spring tension of the X-45

http://members.chello.at/dolphin6/mod_spring/

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(FIN)-Cowboy
06-22-2004, 01:12 AM
I can vouch for the spring mod, it really helped me because on default stiffness the joystick didn't seem to able to keep itself firmly on the table when I was handling it.

The same goes for the throttle - I used to knock it forward when I applied more throttle quickly. I'm really glad I found the screw in the bottom (in the throttle, you perverts http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif) to loosen the handle to my preferences.

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Gunrunner81
06-22-2004, 02:08 AM
I am very pleased with mine.I have a couple of wingman 3d's and a sidewinder laying in the pile.Don't think I'll use them again unless my X45 breaks,seems pretty rugged though.Spring on stick is a bit stiff but once you're used to it it's not so noticable.Cost me about $80 and I'd pay twice that if I had to,can't imagine playing without it.Excuse me if I'm doing this wrong,online stuff is new to me.Gunrunner81.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
I am thinking about buyng this joystick. Does it worth the extra money? (please remember I need to import from USA, so 25 dollars per kilogram and at end multiply cost by 3 dues to the conversion between local money and dollars).. so here it is quite expensive.

Just wanna be sure it is a good quality stuff. I had several Logitech and form other ugly branch jouys and they were all HORIBLE! Now I use a MS Sidewinder 1, so I am pleased a lot. But i doesn have hatch or a third axis, so I am in lack of proper controls.

Sowhat worth more.. this X45 or the Saytek Cyborg ?

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SCOUT373
06-22-2004, 07:45 AM
Anyone interested in buying a X-45 check out this link, it's where I bought mine from...
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7saig004-x45-digital-joystick-throttle-saitek-j24c-shopping.htm

It's the cheapest I could find it on the web.
I've had mine for about 4 months now, and I love it. It takes a little getting used to with the rudder controls being on the throtle, but it only took me a few hours of practice to get the hang of it.

AdioKIP
06-23-2004, 05:33 PM
Now that everyone that was off topic has finished posting can I get a definite answer....is there a way to map any of the map functions (moving around the map) to keys on the keyboard?

Tully__
06-24-2004, 07:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AdioKIP:
Now that everyone that was off topic has finished posting can I get a definite answer....is there a way to map any of the map functions (moving around the map) to keys on the keyboard?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No.

But as I posted way back, with the X-45 you can emulate the mouse functions on your joystick.

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