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Wannabe-Pilot
06-23-2004, 03:29 AM
Since my Logitech stick finally stopped working, the store I bought it at can offer me two FFB sticks as replacements under warranty. One choice is to get a new Logitech and obviously I'm not too thrilled with that one. The other (and only) FFB stick available is a Genius model F-33D flightstick.

I know that Logitechs are no good, but what about this Genius? Can anybody give me some feedback regarding Genius sticks in general? How do they work with IL-2? Are they precise, comfortable? Most important of all, how DURABLE are they? This Logitech of mine broke after 4 months.
And specifically, has anybody ever used this F-33D ffb model? I'm not sure since I haven't tested it yet, but I have a sneaky feeling that it doesn't have twisty rudder thingy, which is a definite minus in my book. And also, the throttle lever is placed on top of the stick, right next to the hat switch. I wonder how that works.

I have time to decide until the day after tomorrow, so please, any info would be highly appreciated.

Wannabe-Pilot
06-23-2004, 03:29 AM
Since my Logitech stick finally stopped working, the store I bought it at can offer me two FFB sticks as replacements under warranty. One choice is to get a new Logitech and obviously I'm not too thrilled with that one. The other (and only) FFB stick available is a Genius model F-33D flightstick.

I know that Logitechs are no good, but what about this Genius? Can anybody give me some feedback regarding Genius sticks in general? How do they work with IL-2? Are they precise, comfortable? Most important of all, how DURABLE are they? This Logitech of mine broke after 4 months.
And specifically, has anybody ever used this F-33D ffb model? I'm not sure since I haven't tested it yet, but I have a sneaky feeling that it doesn't have twisty rudder thingy, which is a definite minus in my book. And also, the throttle lever is placed on top of the stick, right next to the hat switch. I wonder how that works.

I have time to decide until the day after tomorrow, so please, any info would be highly appreciated.

ELEM
06-23-2004, 04:09 AM
http://www.geniusnet.com.tw/product/game/f-33d.htm

Looks like a copy of the MS product. I wouldn't touch it!

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

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T_O_A_D
06-23-2004, 04:10 AM
I know nothing other than it sure resembles the old Microsoft stick. I wonder if they bought the rights too it?

http://www.geniusnet.com.tw/product/game/pic/f-33d_new.jpg



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SeaFireLIV
06-23-2004, 04:27 AM
It looks ok, but I really don`t like that throttle next to the Hat switch. It could be a nightmare to work, you`d have to either use your left hand to use the throttle (which would get in the way of your right hand already on the stick), or use your right hand thumb to control the Hat switch AND the throttle! Not easy.

Alternatively you could simply configure the hat to things like prop-pitch and Supercharger modes and configure the Throttle to work instead as your TRIM or even incremental flaps for the Hurricane. Then use the Mouse in the left hand as your view (or TIR), and the middle mouse as throttle - As I used to do.

So to sum up take it if you don`t use the joystick throttle as throttle!

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Wannabe-Pilot
06-23-2004, 04:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
It looks ok, but I really don`t like that throttle next to the Hat switch. It could be a nightmare to work, you`d have to either use your left hand to use the throttle (which would get in the way of your right hand already on the stick), or use your right hand thumb to control the Hat switch AND the throttle! Not easy.

Alternatively you could simply configure the hat to things like prop-pitch ans Supercharger modes and configure the Throttle to work instead as your TRIM. Then use the Mouse in the left hand as your view (or TIR), and the middle mouse as throttle - As I used to do.

So to sum up take it if you don`t use the joystick throttle as throttle!

SeaFireLIV...


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That's not a bad idea. But i'm worried about the durability. Stick looks good but until you use it for a while there's no way you can tell how good it really is. I hoped somebody used this particular model and can give me some feedback.

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-23-2004, 06:10 AM
That thumb slider would be perfect for flaps or trim. I must also agree about the uncanny resemblence to the defunct MS offering.



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bazzaah2
06-23-2004, 06:34 AM
my mouse is made by genius and is just fine, fwiw.

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Wannabe-Pilot
06-23-2004, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bazzaah2:
my mouse is made by genius and is just fine, fwiw.

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It's a long way from a mouse to a reliable joystick,

horseback
06-23-2004, 07:55 AM
I agree with Wannabe. I love my Logitech Marble Mouse--it's the best ambidextrous trackball for its price around, and the two I have have lasted three years without a glitch.

But all the Logitech sticks I've tried have been less than reliable, and I went through three or four of them before I popped for a M$ Precision 2, which has served me, and now my son, well for the last couple of years (I've graduated to CH Products, and now I can't live without rudder pedals).

If the Genius stick is as reliable as the M$ line of sticks, it'll be a good one, albeit with marginal ergonomics (I always had to reassign button 3 to the cannon, because the 2 button is poorly located for my thumb). The throttle next to the hat is an intriguing idea, but I'd let someone else prove the concept unless the price is under $40 US.

cheers

horseback

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carguy_
06-23-2004, 08:09 AM
You can recognize the "quality" of a company if you experience with just one of their products.At least it applies to comp. that make pc hardware.

I had a genius pad.After 3 months one part had broken,I went to give it back on warranty conditions.They gave me second Genius pad and it broke exactly 3 months after!I was about to give this one on warranty too but they had told me that the quality is so bad that they let me pick another,better one from a diff company.

Stay out of Logitech,Media Tech,Genius,Trust products,they`re awful.

Anyways,the price pretty often qives out the quality,so don`t look at sticks below 40$.

Buy a Thrustmaster,Saitek or CH(best) sticks.

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wimtergoose
06-23-2004, 09:10 AM
I am using a logitech stic with twisting for rudder and feedbacksystem.
I love the feedback system but the twisting for rudder is not good.
Im no going to by footpedals, expensive ones, for rudder. (Not car types.)
I am tired of jumping around and spreed the bullets all ower the skay.

DD_NL
06-23-2004, 09:47 AM
I finally received my Microsoft FFB2 Joystick in the mail, that I got on Ebay last week. My old stick is a Logitech Extreme 3 D. Boy what a difference that makes! If you have the time/cash I really suggest you try and get one of those, they are still being auctioned.
There are several threads on the joystick subject, so definately look around before you buy some piece of junk or youll be sorry.

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badatit
06-24-2004, 11:12 AM
I would ask them to order me an X45, and pay the balance. If they can't/wont...then...credit my account. And find the X45 somewhere else.

The two they offer you, are junk.

If you "must" have one of those....have a look at the forums, FAQ's, and support, at both of their web sights. The Logitech sight looks a little better to me.

If the Genius truly is a knock-off of the MS, (edit)it may have trouble with some VIA chipsets, on some games, example: Stick not recognised in FS2002 on one VIA mother board I had (cant remember which one).


Spend the extra dough, on a decent setup, if you can.

Good luck.