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ddsflyer
01-13-2004, 02:42 PM
If any of you are legitimate pilots, let us all know your licenses, ratings hours logged and what you usually fly?

Personally I have a Multi ATP, 3400 hours and fly a Beech 58 Baron.

Baron pilots do it with class!

ddsflyer
01-13-2004, 02:42 PM
If any of you are legitimate pilots, let us all know your licenses, ratings hours logged and what you usually fly?

Personally I have a Multi ATP, 3400 hours and fly a Beech 58 Baron.

Baron pilots do it with class!

tsisqua
01-13-2004, 03:02 PM
Probably the most asked question in here of other virtual pilots. I'm a student with a year since I've flown. Which means nothin'. But, I love to fly, I've soloed, done cross country duel, and have done plenty of solo joyriding on nice days, and close to home. FB is less stress, but the graphics are way better in a PA-28.

Tsisqua

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Gato_M5
01-13-2004, 04:29 PM
I‚¬īve been in the Argentine Air Force last 19 Years. Flown B-45 Mentor, E-312 Tucano, Ms-760 Paris, IA-63 Pampa, IA-58 Pucar√° and the last one, Mirage V Finger (most of them Air to ground a/c). Total 1700+ hours.

S!!

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WhiteKnight77
01-13-2004, 06:00 PM
While not a pilot, I was a crewmember while in the Marines. I flew in CH-46E Sea Knights.

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Capt_Kernel
01-13-2004, 06:57 PM
Ya, I'm a pilot. I pile it here and pile it there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Wizzleteets
01-13-2004, 07:02 PM
Yes, I currently fly Learjets for a charter company and have over 2000 total hours. I can't believe they pay me to do this!!!

CowboyTodd41
01-13-2004, 11:37 PM
I'm working on my license but my dad has owned a Luscombe 8A most of my life so I've flying, with stick in hand, since I was about 5. I just turned 19, and I still dont have a private cert yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif something more do

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IcarusXP
01-14-2004, 12:24 AM
I like this thread, I always wondered were most of the IL2 online gamers gained some of the skill I have seen.

I can't honestly say I'm a pilot. To me, the title "Pilot" sugests some hero status. I am in fact an incurable sky bum.

I grew up near a sugar beat feild in Colorado and watched the crop dusters every summer. Vance Brand airfeild was less then a mile from my house and I could watch the planes from my bedroom window. At night, the signal beacon used to shine in my window, white, white, green.

My Dad built and flew RC model planes since he was a kid. Our garage ceiling looked like the Smithsonian institue with all his models in perfect detail.

I was 15 when I finaly got the nerver to visit the local airfeild and ask about flying lessons. The cost was expensive, but I was still in high school and living at home, so I gave it a try.
It took me 9 hours to solo, and three months to complete my private rating. I was flying Cesna Agcats before I could drive.

For years I flew cesna 150s and 172s purley for enjoyment. I learned early I didnt want to make my love my job, and franky, jets bore me. I supopse I could have been a proffesional pilot had I stuck with it, but I am still content with small planes in unrestricted airspace.

I have not flown since 9/11. airspace restrictions have change dramictly since then, and part 61 of the F.A.R.s has been re-written into a Stalin`istic set of laws.

So I fly simulators online to tame the flying bug. I never mind getting shot down by some one better then me, and the power lines are much more forgiving.

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MRoadster
01-14-2004, 12:57 AM
Private Pilot SEL +75 hours mostly Cessna 172.

Rajvosa
01-14-2004, 01:41 AM
I have not flown since 9/11. airspace restrictions have change dramictly since then, and part 61 of the F.A.R.s has been re-written into a Stalin`istic set of laws.


Icarus!

You mean that no private flying is allowed in US? Maybe I just got you wrong, but that is a shame! Hope the laws will be changed back to "normal" soon!

By the way, I fly gliders. It's like a dream, you feel like an eagle, soaring high. No noise, no vibrations. And one heck of a cramped cockpit!

Golf GTI Edition 2.0 16v

Old_Canuck
01-14-2004, 01:59 AM
A few hours on a Cessna 172 floatplane. The logbook's long gone and the Cessna was last seen doing an underwater spiral to the bottom of the Fraser River in British Columbia. The pilot was killed but his two passengers made it to the surface ok.

OC

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ELEM
01-14-2004, 02:01 AM
PPL (UK) since 1981. Floatplane rating in Florida 1995. Had shares in several a/c all taildraggers. The last one a unique lady called a Druine D5 Turbi, open cockpit two seat, tail skid, no brakes, no radio, no electrics, hand started, underpowered, very slow and flown from a very short farm strip. Great!

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

Air_Mail
01-14-2004, 02:31 AM
commercial single and muti.....instrument. doing a lot of aerobatics now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Dolemite-
01-14-2004, 02:34 AM
Just a simple Cessna 172, nothing special.

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FI.Red.Lichtie
01-14-2004, 03:32 AM
Got my gliding licence when I was a young whipper snapper http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shame I havent gone further with it! next time maybe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers

SpinSpinSugar
01-14-2004, 03:46 AM
Wizzleteets, I am very jealous. That's EXACTLY what I want to be doing!

A Brit but I have a Canadian PPL/Night/Multi Engine rating and about 170 hours. Mainly Cessnas and Pipers. Will probably do the CPL next year, aiming to emmigrate to Canada where such things are cheaper.

Erm, my best flight was an aerobatic sortie in a Nanchang CJ6 in New Zealand last November, piloted by an ex-RAF Hunter instructor. Couldn't wipe the grin off my face and probably the closest I'll get to warbird flying!

FB keeps me sane in between flying holidays. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers,

SSS

swingman
01-14-2004, 04:13 AM
A little over 100hours, PPL(A) VFR Single Engine Prop.

Fall offered few hours due to poor weather. Trying to get a night rating, and will (if classes will be available) go for aerobatics this spring/summer.

Most of the hours are in Piper PA28-161 and PA28-181. 30ish hours in Socata Rallye Commodore, and 45 minutes (dual aerobatics) in Bellanca Super Decathlon.
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/Bjorn.

IcarusXP
01-14-2004, 07:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
I have not flown since 9/11. airspace restrictions have change dramictly since then, and part 61 of the F.A.R.s has been re-written into a Stalin`istic set of laws.


Icarus!

You mean that no private flying is allowed in US? Maybe I just got you wrong, but that is a shame! Hope the laws will be changed back to "normal" soon!

By the way, I fly gliders. It's like a dream, you feel like an eagle, soaring high. No noise, no vibrations. And one heck of a cramped cockpit!

Golf GTI Edition 2.0 16v<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, a private pilot can still fly, but no one can travel farther than 50 nautical miles from their home base without a CFI, CFII, or Commertial rating. So, now Private pilots must hire an instructor for anything other than touch-and-goes.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

"The only reason we liberated France was to get to Germany"
-Rush Limbaugh

SpinSpinSugar
01-14-2004, 07:54 AM
Icarus, that's insane. Surely? As a Johnny Foreigner with a PPL I had no problem doing a 1600 mile roundtrip from Vancouver to Reno and back again last year. Have things changed since then? Was hoping to do something similar this summer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Cheers, SSS

ELEM
01-14-2004, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IcarusXP:
No, a private pilot can still fly, but no one can travel farther than 50 nautical miles from their home base without a CFI, CFII, or Commertial rating. So, now Private pilots must hire an instructor for anything other than touch-and-goes.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone please tell us if this is so. I would be amazed it it were.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

ShVAK
01-14-2004, 08:28 AM
Current Canadian Forces Pilot with 3000 hours + stick time on:

CT-114 Tutor
Bell 204 Single Huey
Bell 212 Twin Huey
CH-113 Labrador
CH-149 Cormorant
CP-140 Aurora
CF-101 Voodoo
F-16 (RNLAF)
Macchi 339 (RNZAF)
Alpha Jet (GAF)


Now flying a Mahogany bomber (desk)!

Vmax1968
01-14-2004, 11:29 AM
Private pilot's rating - 200 hours mainly in Cessnas.

TX-EcoDragon
01-14-2004, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IcarusXP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
I have not flown since 9/11. airspace restrictions have change dramictly since then, and part 61 of the F.A.R.s has been re-written into a Stalin`istic set of laws.


Icarus!

You mean that no private flying is allowed in US? Maybe I just got you wrong, but that is a shame! Hope the laws will be changed back to "normal" soon!

By the way, I fly gliders. It's like a dream, you feel like an eagle, soaring high. No noise, no vibrations. And one heck of a cramped cockpit!

Golf GTI Edition 2.0 16v<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, a private pilot can still fly, but no one can travel farther than 50 nautical miles from their home base without a CFI, CFII, or Commertial rating. So, now Private pilots must hire an instructor for anything other than touch-and-goes.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

"The only reason we liberated France was to get to Germany"
-Rush Limbaugh<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No this is far from true. Private Pilot limitations are the same as they have always been. There were certain large international airports, and their satelite airports that had restrictions on the types of operations that could be performed there. Banner tow and certain types of air-tours also had new regulations, though nothing that would effect most pilots.

The only real change now is that you may want to think twice about loitering near nuclear power plants, large assemblies of people, and national monuments.

I never found circling powerplants to be my idea of fun anyway, so in practice I have had no tangible changes in my flying since before 9/11. If anything people are simply more vigilant now about control of aircraft keys, student pilot screenings, and general airport security.

Oh and most of my recent flying has been unlimited aerobatics in the Extra 300L, and Intermediate acro in the Super Decathlon.

As far as aircraft types flown:
Lancair:
Legacy 320
Legacy 360
IV
Bellanca/American Champion:
Citabria
Decathlon
Super Decathlon
Extra:
Extra 200
Extra 300L
Rebel 2300 AKA: The "Raven"
Piper:
PA28161 (warrior)
PA28181 (Archer)
PA28200R (Arrow)
Beechcraft:
C-33 Debonair
F-33 Bonanza (aerobatic. . well .. kinda)
T-34 Mentor (aerobatic. .until that AD issue with the spar)
Cessna:
C-172 Skyhawk
C-172 RG Cutlass
C-182 Skylane
C-182 RG (edit: forgot the RG!)
C-206 Stationaire
C-T210 Turbo Centurion

Warbirds:
North American A-T6 Texan/SNJ/Harvard
North American P-51D
Boeing/Stearman PT-17

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STD-WolfSoul
01-14-2004, 10:12 PM
Well heres my question to you folks...


for those of you who ARE pilots and do fly on a regular basis... (except the military guys), HOW THE HELL DID YOU PAY FOR YOUR TRAINING!!!???

I'm 23 years old and my dream since before i was able to walk was to fly planes. infact my 3rd word was "airplane". I wanted to join the Canadian airforce, but i realized that after 4 years of university and 2 years of training, there would be absolutely NO guarantee i'd end up flying a CF-18 (which is what i wanted to do more than anything), so i decided to become a civilian pilot instead.

However, after much research, i have no idea how the hell i'm going to pay for this stuff... From what i've gathered, im looking at about $50,000 cdn. for all the training i need to become a job worthy commercial pilot (be it fixed wing or rotary). I don't have $50,000. I have poor parents, and I have a job that only pays me 10$ an hour cdn.

how did you guys pay for it? for those of you who are private pilots and fly in your spare time, are you rich or something? how do you afford it? do you rent your aircraft? own them?

What would be your recommendations to someone who desperately wants to become a pilot but doesnt have much dough to throw around?

TX-EcoDragon
01-14-2004, 10:55 PM
First of all, I am far from rich. I am 26, and started my flight training just after High School after saving up ~$3,500 USD. I had figured that amount was just about what I needed for my Private Cert. I took one quarter off of College, and got the rating. I homeschooled myself for all of the knowledge based information instead of taking a formal ground school, and instead of expecting my Flight Instructor to train me along the way. I figured that this way I could simply do the required amounts of training, instead of the many more hours that is the "average". I also had some understanding of aerodynamics (from literature as well as a decade of remote control aircraft experience), and instrument interpretation (mostly from sims).

Once I had my Private Cert. I generally flew a minimum of two hours per month while in school, as I was strapped for cash. Every once in a while I would fly longer trips to visit family, or perhaps to take the family on mini-vacations. In these instances they would usually split costs with me. After I had the required time (50hrs cross country time as pilot in command) I started my instrument training. . . and the cycle continued until I was ready for my commercial, and then my CFI (Certified Flight Instructor).


My point is, you can look at it as one huge session of training and spending money, or you can simply decide that it is what you want to do, and take it step by step in more manageable portions.

The things to do right away are buy some books for the "ground" based portion of your training and start reading. There are test prep books, as well as more comprehensive textbooks. At first I would start with the textbook type and worry about the details of the written exam prep later. Here is the one I would suggest: http://www.jeppesen.com/wlcs/application/commercewf?origin=itemsummary.jsp&event=link(details)&wlcs_catalog_item_sku=JS314500&wlcs_catalog_category_id=AT1A1A8&wlcs_document_type=details (http://www.jeppesen.com/wlcs/application/commercewf?origin=itemsummary.jsp&event=link[details)&wlcs_catalog_item_sku=JS314500&wlcs_catalog_category_id=AT1A1A8&wlcs_document_type=details)

And here it is on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3580616293&category=29391

I would also reccomend that you find a "mentor". This is someone who will help answer questions that you will have along the way, who will help keep you motivated, and who can hopefully take you flying and give you a taste of what its all about.

The mentor does not need to be an instructor, and even if they aren't they will certainly help you to learn the basics.

To find out more about locating a mentor in your area look here: http://www.aopa.org/project_pilot/find_service.cfm

Check out:
http://www.beapilot.com

And here are some tips from AOPA:
http://www.aopa.org/learntofly/startfly/


I generally rented aircraft, as that is the more cost effective route. The main drawback to this is that you can't take the plane for a week vacation without paying for the time it is on the ground, and this can make a trip longer then a few days quite expensive. (usually you are billed 2-3 hours of rental for every 24 hours you have the plane)

A typical rental rate for a Cessna 152 is about $60.00 USD, and the larger, faster and better equipped 172 is usually around $80.00 per hour. Instructors are typically 30 an hour.

Here is how that might end up working out for the Private Pilot Certificate:


FAA Minimum Hours as outlined in FAR 61.103

20 Hours Solo in a C-152 $1,100.00
20 Hours Flight Instruction (called dual) in C-152 $1,660.00
15 Hours Ground Instruction $420.00
Books and Supplies $277.83
FAA Physical Examination/Medical/StudentPilot's Cert. (Class III) $75.00
FAA Written Test Fee $60.00
FAA Flight Test Fee $275.00
TOTAL COST $3,867.83


Average Hours
25 Hours Solo in a C-152 $1,400.00
35 Hours Flight Instruction in C-152 $2,905.00
15 Hours Ground Instruction $420.00
Books and Supplies $277.83
FAA Physical Examination (Class III) $75.00
FAA Written Test Fee $60.00
FAA Flight Test Fee $275.00
TOTAL COST $5,412.83


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robban75
01-14-2004, 11:01 PM
I was in Phoenix Az in 98-99 taking a commercial multiengine rating, but I havent flown much when I came back to Sweden. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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SpinSpinSugar
01-15-2004, 06:28 AM
STD-WolfSoul,

You're blessed and cursed in Canada. $50,000 may seem a lot to you but it would cost you more than double that to make the equivalent progress in the UK with today's exchange rates. Canada is one of the cheapest places in the world to fly, aviation taxes are low and there are few airports that charge landing fees. I have a Canadian license because I lived there for a while (and am hoping to make a more permanent move soon) and it seemed like madness not to take advantage. I think I spent about CDN$6-7,000 getting my private license in 1998, funded by working two jobs and flying at weekends. I've been going back ever since and have added multi and night ratings to that, hopefully CPL this year. I am working full time and aviation is my main financial drain. I aim to continue training up but I can't guarentee I'll ever be in a position to do it for a living, unless the market changes dramatically.

The downside of Canadian aviation is that because it is so cheap and prevalent (I don't know, but I'm guessing this is also true south of the border, America is another aviators nation) airlines do not need to offer sponsorships to young applicants like many European nations do. There are SO MANY pilots in North America that laws of supply and demand mean you have to be hugely overqualified to land a well paid job in contrast to other parts of the world where sponsorships are prevalent, and hour-building jobs like instructing earn peanuts. I believe this is also true of Australia and New Zealand.

Who you know also plays a major part. As in many walks of life.

Cheers,

SSS

The.Tyke
01-15-2004, 07:46 AM
Been flying the Bae146 for the last 2 years. Now flying the 737-300 for a low cost UK airline.

FMJ3G
01-15-2004, 08:10 AM
I completed 10 hours of flight training in a C-152 and 3 hours in a C-172. That was over 10 years ago, and I didn't finish my private licence due to time and money constraints at the time. My brother owns and flys a 1947 Taylorcraft, and I share stick time with him. I would like to complete my private licence within the next couple of years. I also fly RC aircraft (over twenty years).

Nothing beats the "real thing", but flying sims is still a heck of a lot of fun - especially combat. In real life, flying P-51's, 190s, Yaks, etc., is not going to happen. IMO, PC sims are a great bit of fun!

blairgowrie
01-15-2004, 08:18 AM
I have a private pilot's licence with a night rating, 200 hours but not currently active. Learned to fly on Cesna 150, 172 and Cherokee 140 and 180 and finally Super Cubs off grass. All nice to fly. When I trained, the Canadian Govt. had a subsidy program which just about covered all the costs to get a licence. Tried to get a job flying and even volunteered to go to Vietnam if they would let me fly. But I am not a US citizen and since all US pilots are officers and you have to be a US citizen to be an officer there was no path. They told me they would gladly accept me as a gunner in aircrew. Nothing against gunners but that wasn't an option.

Finally decided that renting was consuming all my cash and I had other hobbies I wanted to pursue. So flying fell by the wayside until FB came along. Brings back some great memories though!

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Woof603
01-15-2004, 08:37 AM
WolfSoul, you said in part:
"I'm 23 years old and my dream since before i was able to walk was to fly planes. infact my 3rd word was "airplane". I wanted to join the Canadian airforce, but i realized that after 4 years of university and 2 years of training, there would be absolutely NO guarantee i'd end up flying a CF-18 (which is what i wanted to do more than anything), so i decided to become a civilian pilot instead."
You didn't join the CAF because they wouldn't guarantee you a CF18? Do you think you'll ever fly one as a civilian? If you have a chance to get into the Canadian Air Force, go for it without a second thought. I'm an ex-RCAF pilot, (51-57) and like you wanted to fly since I could walk. The RCAF was my university and it was there I received the best training in the world.

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STD-WolfSoul
01-15-2004, 08:40 AM
SpinSpinSugar:

Well... thing is... I dont even want to fly for an airline. I know its good money, but flying a giant passenger jet just doesnt seem like much fun to me. you really have no room to bank in even the slightest because you need to take into account the comfort of your passengers at all times.

I'm not really concerned with earning alot of money flying. I just want to fly and earn enough to live. Plus where i live (north western Alberta) theres a ton of work for helicopter pilots, and further north theres alot of work for fixed wing bush pilots. Frankly i'm not interested in flying to make $100,000 a year, im interested in it because its a passion of mine and its the only job i can see myself doing and loving it.

STD-WolfSoul
01-15-2004, 08:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blairgowrie:
I have a private pilot's licence with a night rating, 200 hours but not currently active. Learned to fly on Cesna 150, 172 and Cherokee 140 and 180 and finally Super Cubs off grass. All nice to fly. When I trained, the Canadian Govt. had a subsidy program which just about covered all the costs to get a licence. Tried to get a job flying and even volunteered to go to Vietnam if they would let me fly. But I am not a US citizen and since all US pilots are officers and you have to be a US citizen to be an officer there was no path. They told me they would gladly accept me as a gunner in aircrew. Nothing against gunners but that wasn't an option.

Finally decided that renting was consuming all my cash and I had other hobbies I wanted to pursue. So flying fell by the wayside until FB came along. Brings back some great memories though!

http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/130104-webpage.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats a very good point. but i really didnt want to wind up flying a sea king or something. Plus i'm 23 and by the time i would get out of university I would probably be too old to fly a fighter plane.

ASARJIP
01-15-2004, 08:55 AM
Thought I'd add to this one:

Airline Pilot with Delta Connection, Atlantic Southeast Airlines....ASA for short. Ben flying for them for 9 years and am a Captain and instructor/checkairmen on the CL65-2B19 or Regional Jet for short. I went to school at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Arizona and graduated in 1995. I also fly a Citation Excel on my spare time.

Aircraft flown:
Lots of general aviation singles and twins like C-172 C-182 C-150, Beech Duchess, Gruman Tigers, Piper Aero's, Warriors and such.

Transport types:
Beech 1900C = 1000hrs
E120 Brasilia = 3500hrs
CRJ200 = 250hrs
Citation Excel = 280hrs
Level C/D Full Axis simulators = more than I could count!!

ATP rated with these type ratings:
E120
CL65
C560

Absolutely love my job and miss it if I'm gone for more than a few days. I've never wanted to do anything else and am blessed to live my dream...

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SpinSpinSugar
01-15-2004, 09:31 AM
STD-WolfSoul,

Sorry, I assumed you wanted an airline career. As it turns out, you want to do exactly what I want to do. Make a living out of "hands on" flying. Which is extremely difficult. Unless you want to go and live in the Yukon and work up the hours you'll need to land a floats job or something. Most hands-on jobs are paid a pittance. Biggest I'd fancy would be a Lear or a turboprop regional, but then again I'd take pretty much anything. I can live off the income of my missus' steady job, right? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Never fancied helecopters though.

Cheers, SSS

BTZ_Bonehead
01-15-2004, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> My point is, you can look at it as one huge session of training and spending money, or you can simply decide that it is what you want to do, and take it step by step in more manageable portions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very true, if you want it bad enough you can do it, I was unemployed when I started flying power http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif There are ways if you want it bad enough, like washing and refueling aircraft for time in the air.

Also someone mentioned above that they dont want to earn lots of money flying, I never did either, but believe me once you got a family and a house and the bloke sat on the ramp in the next aircraft is earning twice what you are you will want his job http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I agree though I wouldnt want to fly for an airline, I know enough people who have flown big aircraft and the novelty soon wears off. They start to focus on their fat pensions and many forget why they started flying in the first place.

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TX-EcoDragon
01-15-2004, 10:03 AM
I am a Biochemist. . .I have no intentions of airline flying either. See my sig? I'll take that over an F-18! It can pull more G's, roll faster, do any kind of aerobatics you can think of, and things that you haven't yet thought of. . . and someone else isn't telling you what to do with it, and they won't retire you when your too old!

Sure I would like to be able to climb to 60,000 feet in only a few minutes. . but im sure that would get borring after one or two trips. . . plus with the government paying the gas I bet they would need some better explaination than "I like the view!" ;-)

Edit: P.S. That isn't to say that I wouldn't enjoy an airline job, I love flying, and I am sure I would probably be happier with that as my career than what I have going on now! I do envy my friends who fly the heavies. . . I just have other goals.



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BTZ_Bonehead
01-15-2004, 10:08 AM
I do fly for a living just not for an airline http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I wish I could afford to fly for fun more often.

The extra is nice, and if I was loaded I would have one too, but you have to admit landing on a carier would be more of an adrenalin rush than any aerobatic manouver http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Its just that the adrenalin is brown http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

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Woof603
01-15-2004, 10:13 AM
Bonehead said:
"I agree though I wouldnt want to fly for an airline, I know enough people who have flown big aircraft and the novelty soon wears off. They start to focus on their fat pensions and many forget why they started flying in the first place."

I have to disagree. If you like to fly, the novelty never wears off, fighter or transport.

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BTZ_Bonehead
01-15-2004, 11:16 AM
If that is the case why are there so many bitter and twisted old farts sat in the left hand seat (or worse still back in the right hand seat) flying for airlines? Or even in other jobs.

What you say may be true for some of us, but unfortunately there are some people who hate the job and cant get out of it because they dont know how to do anything else or cant earn the same brass anywhere else.

If you think different you havent been around in flying for long enough or you dont mix with the wrong kind of people http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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ASARJIP
01-15-2004, 11:38 AM
=NOTE= The following is not a flame!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I have to step in again and comment on the guys speaking negatively about the airlines.

Sure airline careers are not for everyone....Sure bad things happen and you could find yourself downgraded from Captain to First Officer or from one airplane type to another or even one domicile to another....its all about timing and senority. Bad things happen in every job...especially in todays world.

I have done alot of flying in my time and I can tell you that, bare none, every non "airline" pilot I have met, be it corporate, military, or other has airline envy....deny it all you want. If you read my post above, you'll see I do corporate on the side and when I fly to FBO's at various locations, as soon as the other pilots find out I'm an airline captain in my "day" job...I am flocked with requests to walk in resumes. I also have done new-hire interviews and you would be amazed at how many "flight suits" I have interviewed.

I don't want to start a flame thread or sound negative....I just know based on my experience, airlines are the top rung in the ladder. When your done yanking and bankin they always come knocking. Again, not for everyone and that is fine, do what makes you happy....

As for the novelty wearing off....doesn't happen. Sure you will find people bored with what they do in any career. But let me say this...as an instructor who deals with line pilots on a regular basis, giving checkrides or linechecks, or new-hire training, everyone here loves their job and knows how lucky they are to have it.

As for the pension matter, well if you don't want the highest paying, best benefits and retirement package offering job you can find.....you got bigger issues than airline flying. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Again, I'm not trying to bash previous posts, I just wanted to respond to the negative press the airlines were getting.

I've been flying in the airlines for over 11 years now and I absolutely love it.

=NOTE= The above is not a flame!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Woof603
01-15-2004, 11:42 AM
I was around long enough...thirty-five years, so I guess I never flew with the wrong kind of people. Lucky me! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Woof603
01-15-2004, 12:01 PM
Good post, Asarjip. You got it exactly right.

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BTZ_Bonehead
01-15-2004, 12:30 PM
Obviously so, what company did you fly for? If it was a big airline I am sure you must have known someone who was not happy with his lot? You cant be telling me that every pilot who is flying is happy in his work? We are talking about humans here.

Guys dont get me wrong, I love my job, I would have no other job, MOST of the people I have flown with over the years love the job too, but the only bad CRM moments I have had have been with people who frankly should be doing something else, their hearts are not in the job, and as aviators you know as well as I do it has to be, for the safety of the flight be it military or civil.

I found that people who work their way up are probably more apreciative of the position they have than the ones who had it all paid for but that is a sweeping statement and obviously works both ways.

I was chatting with a guy a few months back who is now working for the government, when I asked him why he left his airline job he told me he was sick of getting up at 3:30 to fly to the same place every day. I also know someone who has a corporate job and flys a beutifull (airline size) aircraft who is sick of flying to many different places and spending time away even if it is in a 5 star hotel and getting paid a HUGE sallary. Both pilots started out as eager young aviators many years ago, the novelty has now worn off for both of them, which is sad.

I dont think it matters what branch of flying you do there are always going to be people who want to do your type of flying and not theirs. I have friends at the airlines and they wish they were doing corporate, many corporate pilots wished they were at the airlines.

Although in Europe because corporate flying is usualy as well paid if not better and the pilots very often have nice shiny new aircraft with the lates gizmos on, coupled with the owners wanting the most experienced crews they can find corporate is often seen as the thing to aim for.

ASARJIP If you are a inteviewing folk for jobs and testing them you are I guess a TRE or what ever they call em in the states, if so do you think a guy who is hacked off with his job is going to tell you he isnt happy with the company or job and would rather just lay in bed and get paid for it? Wouldnt be a good attitude to turn up for a line check with would it. People in interviews or pre flight briefs tell you what you want to hear, some people are very good at this too, I used to instruct with a guy who had video tapes on how to do interviews well, he would have said all the right things, even if his logbook was full of 'sharp pencilled' flights.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree here, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif we should all stick together us aviators because in years to come they wont need pilots, the controlers will be turning the heading knob remotely, aircraft will be flown by system administrators, its almost like that now, with pilots having to do one landing a month in the sim to stay current! Ah give me the old Dragon Rapide back http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh and by the way, I am not flying for an airline, and I certainly wouldnt want to, Im in the states week after next if we meet you would have met one pilot who doesnt have airline envy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I'd love to do one trip in a 747 just to say I have done it, that would be all. o/

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Woof603
01-15-2004, 01:08 PM
I can remember a few who seemed to be in it, airline flying, only for the money and working conditions, but I really don't recall anyone saying, Jeez I wish I were a crop duster, bush pilot or corporate jockey. Those must've been the good old days. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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bodaw
01-15-2004, 01:09 PM
Hi all, this is my first post. Fligh sims inspired me to become a pilot ten years ago. Currently, I have commercial, instrument single engine. I'm working on my multi-engine and ground work is done. I've started playing FB just a month or so ago. It's fun.

Kefuddle
01-15-2004, 02:06 PM
A JAA PPL+night with ninety something hours. Learn't on a 152, now part own and operate a Grumman AA5A with a couple of others. Progressing through ATPL. Want to PPL instruct with options for something more should the opportunity arise http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mucho respect to those in the airlines, its a tough job.

BTZ_Bonehead
01-15-2004, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> but I really don't recall anyone saying, Jeez I wish I were a crop duster, bush pilot or corporate jockey. Those must've been the good old days. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I bet they had all done the crop dusting etc in their early days http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I have to admit like I say I would not like a full time airline job I would like to just fly a 747 or a 777 just to say I have done it.

I am very fortunate to have made my ambitions in aviation happen, appart from the 747 thing and I always wanted to crop spray, again I would not want to do it full time, I have flown tow aircraft but never anything full of water and chem, althoug i have driven a tractor on the brotherinlaws farm with a sprayer on LOL.

I just love flying, I think we have the best job in the world and its a privallege to be able to do it and even get paid for it!

I always marvel at that familiar feeling as you burst through the low level winter cloud into brilliant sunshine its good for the soul!

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AcesHigh_AVG
01-15-2004, 02:31 PM
I fly 172s and a 172RG. I have SEL instrument rating and am working on commercial. Hoping to burn Jet A soon!

STD-WolfSoul
01-15-2004, 06:14 PM
on the topic of flying heavies for a living...

the one job flying a big plane that i always thought i'd love is water bombing.

its the closest to combat you can get in civilian aviation without having bullets wizzing by your cockpit.

man would that ever be one hell of a job...

*eyes glaze over as he falls into a trance of dreaming*

Woof603
01-15-2004, 06:51 PM
Bonehead said: "I always marvel at that familiar feeling as you burst through the low level winter cloud into brilliant sunshine its good for the soul!"

You are so right...and it's something I sorely miss. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Spinnetti
01-15-2004, 07:34 PM
Not yet, but I'm building a replica FW190! The best possible simulator of my favorite plane!

darkhorizon11
01-15-2004, 08:19 PM
Hey, yet another pilot. Flight Student actually at UND. Its cheap here I'm an out of state student yet I only pay about 28000 USD a year which is cheap compared to schools like DWC OSU and ERAU where its about 50K a year. Yeah I hear it costs a ridiculus amount to fly in Europe.

As for the guy who wasn't sure about what I private pilot can do... you have a PRIVATE confused with a RECREATIONAL CERTIFICATE.

The only limitations for a private per the FARs in the US are:

You cannot recieve any sort of payment or pay less than the pro rata share for a flight (if you bring up your buddies they can't pay for your share of the flight).

You can work for charity but cannot recieve any payment.

You can demonstrate a plane to a buyer if you have 200+ hours in type.

You can fly for business incidence but cannot recieve payment for the actual flight itself.

...Those are the main ones, theres other rules applying about the category and class of aircraft you can operate with the license and blah blah blah... you get the idea, other than that the sky is the limit! On one of my flights this semester I have to fly one leg nonstop to an airport no closer than 250NM away, on a solo! The real key is keeping myself occupied. The North Dakota landscape isn't too spectacular.

Everyone that flies for real no a simulator can't replace the real thing though, I'd been flying sims for years before I began to log real hours and it still didn't help very much.

I got about 115 hours give or take I haven't added them in awhile. About 80 in C-172s, 20 in PA-28s, about about 15 in various other types such as 152s, 109s ( the Grob motorglider not Messerschimtt... i wish), and some Mudry Cap 10b time (aerobatic trainer) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

One more thing, I'm surpised to see so many Commercial and guy in this forum. Any advice for us aspiring flyers? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Old_Canuck
01-16-2004, 01:37 PM
The summer before 9/11 my wife and I were invited to ride the jumpseats in an Air Canada Airbus. We stayed up front all the way from Vancouver Intl. to Toronto. The pilots were very informative and friendly all throughout. After we landed I remember my exact words: "Thank you very much. It was a day on the job for you guys but once-in-a-lifetime for us." The looks on their faces before they turned back to their checklists told me that it wasn't just a day on the job for them.

After September 11, I realised that we will never experience anything like that again.

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flyfastfar
01-16-2004, 01:47 PM
I'm a pilot for American Eagle. I love being a pilot. I cannot imagine a better job in the world. I have 6000 hours. I went the civilian route to learn to fly and have been flying for 10 years. I have been a USAF enlisted aircrew member (E-3 AWACS..another kick butt job!), flight instructor, "freight dog" (single pilot caravan and cessna 402's) and now I fly the emb brasilia RJ.
I would encourage anyone with any desire to learn to fly to do it. I am not from a rich family, had no "hand outs" and I made it. Just never give up.
See you in the skies!

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carg0009
01-17-2004, 01:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpinSpinSugar:
Wizzleteets, I am very jealous. That's EXACTLY what I want to be doing!

A Brit but I have a Canadian PPL/Night/Multi Engine rating and about 170 hours. Mainly Cessnas and Pipers. Will probably do the CPL next year, aiming to emmigrate to Canada where such things are cheaper. Erm, my best flight was an aerobatic sortie in a Nanchang CJ6 in New Zealand last November, piloted by an ex-RAF Hunter instructor. Couldn't wipe the grin off my face and probably the closest I'll get to warbird flying!FB keeps me sane in between flying holidays. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifCheers,SSS<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Private pilot with about 150 hours TT. Mostly Piper Cherokee time. Still working on my instrument ticket and I hope to fly in the US Navy after college. Flown in Texans about 6 or 8 hours as well as Stearmans and I've got time in a Nanchang CJ6 as well. All this warbird time was with US Navy pilots and they fly 'em like they stole em'. Aerobatics and dogfighting in the real deal is GREAT!. SpinSpinSugar a CJ6 is a warbird and in all honesty I think it was a more interesting ride than the Texan. The big perk of the SNJ is its made for guys that are 6'4" the Nanchang isn't. Have to stretch a while after we go up for a while. Still it's faster and more maneuverable. Anyway, any airplane is better than no airplane.

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ddsflyer
01-21-2004, 02:59 PM
Glad to have gotten such a response. While I primarily fly a Baron I occasionally get to use my hangar neighbor's N.A. T-28C (outclimbs a P-51) but the gas bill is huge (120 gph at takeoff power and 60 gph at cruise) but it will easily do any aerobatics you can imagine except outside maneuvers (they are just too UNCOMFORTABLE) I did Air Combat USA about a year ago in SF260 which was fun but that airplane needs a 300 Lyc. to give it more performance in the vertical. My brother in law flew for the Air Force and I flew with him in a T-38 and later in an F-15C with my congressman's blessing. What a rush!

Baron pilots do it with class!

Dash_8
01-21-2004, 04:15 PM
It's great to be back. I played the original IL2 since it came out, but didn't have a computer that would meet FB minimum specs. Now I can finally play IL2 FB with my new box.

Anyway back to the topic, I have a commercial single engine land and multi engine land certificates with an instument rating. I also have a Certified flight instructor/instrument certificate.

Currently I fly as a First Officer on a DeHavilland Dash-8 (as if you couldn't tell by my username) for a commuter airline in the northeastern U.S. I have 3500 hours total time with about 2000 of those in the Dash 8.

BM357_Raven
01-21-2004, 09:29 PM
working towards my private pilot's, but I am taking the slowest path in history. But I work 7 days a week so it's kinda hard. I fly enough to get my fix.. But then again, FB is a very sweet fix.

Trust me guys, this sim is mega action compated to a 152 or 172... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Not to take away from RL...Then again, Im not sure I have one (a RL that is) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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scorchedearth
01-21-2004, 10:27 PM
Roger that!: Private Pilot License in 1981...
Stopped flying in 1990 cause of that magic elixer (Money!!). Just finished building a TEAM HiMax this past fall so started piling on the hours (10 hrs in Dec. and 6 hrs so far this month - considering no cabin heat and flying here in Canada in the dead of winter isn't too bad) with an Canadian Ultralight Permit. YAHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Was up today for 1.0 hrs as a matter of fact. Scared the hell out of 2 coyotes on short final today. Keep looking for the 2 moose hanging around the approach path at Kirkby-Chestemere field (where I have a hanger) but haven't spotted them for a few days now. Don't go anywhere fast but boy is the experience great! Completely relaxing and enjoyable like FLIGHT should be.
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scorchedearth
01-21-2004, 11:38 PM
Hey STD-Wolfsoul: Your're in Canada just like me. Can I suggest something: Check out an Ultralight Permit. Cost should not exceed $2000. Aircraft rental runs about $60/hour in our neighborhood. I have about $12k into my Himax. I fly for cost of gas and oil ($10/hr). Hanger rent is $60/month which is very reasonable. Since I have a single ignition points equipped Rotax 503, I'll have to spend a little more on mtce than I would a dual CDI and ignition equipped Rotax but I only paid $3000 for my brand new engine. I did fly Cessna 172's and have quite a bit of time in Piper Warrior's and Archers (took my training in Regina Flying Club's PA28-140 in early '80's) but when cabbage is the deciding factor when aviating, you simply cannot beat going ultralight. We have a real strong club here in Calgary (Calgary Ultralight Flying Club) with a real nice website. If you look around, there are ultralight training facilities in just about every province, check'em out. Transport Canada rides herd on them, so they have to meet minimum standards re: training etc. My first ride in an ultralight scared the hell out of me for the first 15 minutes but after that I settled down and just enjoyed the ride! One of the local pilots told me that when you have your own aviating device you will never be the same again - he was 100% correct. I fly every day I can! Ultralight flying is THE fastest growing segment of aviation in Canada. Safety is what you make it......in the late 80's a guy in Sask. built an ultralight out of copper plumbing tubing....he left a widow. If you treat it callously flying WILL ELIMINATE the careless. Just like the other 100,000 things done stupidly will. Find a good UL instructor, check out his mtce schedule on his equipment and go for a couple of sightseeing flights. I am not against flying larger/more capable aircraft. Believe me, if I hit a lottery the first thing I'd buy is a 4 place high performance airplane but till then, I'll just putt around the sky, checking out the 40 mile visibility, the Rockey Mtns. in the distance, the Bow River Valley off to my left and cruise over an old abandoned BCATF training station and smile at the wildlife quietly grazing in the stubble fields. No pressure to beat the weather, go anywhere fast or wonder about someone else's aircraft airworthiness. I guess I just enjoy the view from 1000 feet up putting along at 60 mph smelling the clover fields in bloom. Pick what makes your day!
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01-22-2004, 12:22 AM
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