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Steaky_361st
04-23-2004, 02:43 PM
I know we are getting 2 new LaGGs in the patch..series 29 and series 35. Im just curious about what these new planes will be like as the the LaGG is already one of my favorite planes to fly. Im mostly wondering about armnament, performance etc...

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Steaky_361st
04-23-2004, 02:43 PM
I know we are getting 2 new LaGGs in the patch..series 29 and series 35. Im just curious about what these new planes will be like as the the LaGG is already one of my favorite planes to fly. Im mostly wondering about armnament, performance etc...

Thanks in advance! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Steaky

Cossack_UA
04-23-2004, 02:55 PM
exiting! new russian planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JorBR
04-23-2004, 03:03 PM
QUOTE]Originally posted by Cossack_UA:
exiting! new russian planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/QUOTE]

I-185 M-71 ('42)
I-185 M-82A ('42)
LaGG-3 (29 serija) ('42)
LaGG-3 (35 serija) ('42)
Yak-3P ('45)
Yak-7A ('41)
Yak-9B ('44)
Yak-9M ('43)
Yak-9UT ('45)

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Red_Russian13
04-23-2004, 03:22 PM
Sweetness. I love the LaGG...

Saburo_0
04-23-2004, 03:44 PM
Great question. I'll see if i can find any info when i get home.

04-23-2004, 03:49 PM
Data from airwar.ru

LaGG-3 (series 1)
2680 kg empty, 3346 kg takeoff
1050 hp Klimov M-105P
498 kmh sea level
575 kmh at altitude
735 m/min max climb rate
1 x UBK, 2 x UBS, 2 x ShKAS

LaGG-3 (series 35)
2430 kg empty, 3160 kg takeoff
1210 hp Klimov M-105PF
499 kmh sea level
566 kmh at altitude
780 m/min max climb rate
1 x ShVAK, 1 x UBS

LaGG-3 (series 66)
2480 kg empty, 2990 kg takeoff
1210 hp Klimov M-105PF
542 kmh sea level
591 kmh at altitude
893 m/min max climb rate
1 x ShVAK, 1 x UBS

According to airwar.ru, the LaGG-3IT is the same thing as LaGG-3 series 34.

I still want to know what the difference is between the 29 series and 25 series.

clint-ruin
04-23-2004, 04:07 PM
All the Lagg3-x series are a bit of a mystery to me, but I've read elsewhere that the Lagg3-IT was developed from a special "Lagg3-lightened" version with a lot of weight shaved off it.

Same thing with a lot of soviet aircraft, they definitely weren't fans of giving everything a specific subtype .. seems they changed the designation only when the aircraft underwent a fairly major change.

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CzechTexan
04-24-2004, 11:31 AM
It's great to get new Russian planes!
Although i'd rather get production planes than just concept ones.
the I-185 was just a concept MiG with a radial engine.
The Yak-7A was the first version and heavier with weaker armament than B version.
The Yak-9UT was also a concept plane.



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CzechTexan
04-24-2004, 01:04 PM
Oops! I made a mistake about the I-185.
the I-185 was not a MiG but Polikarpov design with a radial engine. It's M-82 engine was unsatisfactory but the M-71 was 630 km/h at 6170m. Politics in Moscow kept the Polikarpov design from production.

The Yak-3P had three of the new 20mm B-20 cannons but didn't see action in Europe. Two squadrons saw action vs. the Japanese.

I'm glad to see the new LaGG types 29 and 35. These were the mid-production types and I like them despite what the critics say. in my opinion they are pretty good craft.
*The series 29 had a more powerful M-105PF engine than what was used in the earlier series (M-105PA) and allowed it to have better performance up to 2700m where most combat action took place. It had 3 exhaust stubs instead of the single collector tube with the exhaust protection plate deleted.
*The series 35 had automatic slats on the wing leading edge to imrove stall characteristics. The pitot tube was placed under the wing. Had a larger propeller spinner and a larger more square radiator than previous models. It also had a retractable tail wheel. It was produced from August '42 until Spring '43.

Information is from "Soviet air force fighter colours" and "LaGG fighters in Action"



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Red_Storm
04-24-2004, 01:34 PM
Great, more Russian hotrods! They'll be so challenging to fly! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

clint-ruin
04-24-2004, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
Great, more Russian hotrods! They'll be so challenging to fly! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Out of the list posted:

I-185 M-71 ('42)
I-185 M-82A ('42)
LaGG-3 (29 serija) ('42)
LaGG-3 (35 serija) ('42)
Yak-3P ('45)
Yak-7A ('41)
Yak-9B ('44)
Yak-9M ('43)
Yak-9UT ('45)

The Yak3P, Yak9UT, and I-185M71 are the only ones I'd really consider to be all that special from reading about the types on airwar.ru/battlefield.ru. The rest seem to be pretty similar to the existing types, in many cases worse. The Laggs won't be as good as the Lagg 3 66, the Yak9M seems to just be a '43 Yak9, Yak9B is a Yak9 with internal bomb bays and apparently was no joy to fly, the Yak7A is even worse than the Yak7B. From reading up on the I-185 I think the M82 one will probably be waxed by the La5 - it was only the M71 engine that made it anything really super.

Anyhow I guess we'll see what we get in the patch :&gt;

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Red_Storm
04-24-2004, 01:52 PM
I was just messing with you guys. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Although I think the I-185 will be a true hotrod, it'll be similar to the Yak-3 or La-7, but in 1942. Ouch!

clint-ruin
04-24-2004, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
I was just messing with you guys. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Although I think the I-185 will be a true hotrod, it'll be similar to the Yak-3 or La-7, but in 1942. Ouch!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Firepower was apparently 3x engine mounted ShVAK 20mm on some types of the I-185, so the M71 might end up being the equivalent of the La7-3xB20 in '42. Triple ouch.

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lbhskier37
04-24-2004, 02:38 PM
The new Laggs, and Yaks are a good addition. Not everyone flys latewar uberplane dogservers, I am sure these new planes will get lots of use.

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Ruy Horta
04-24-2004, 02:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CzechTexan:
Oops! I made a mistake about the I-185.
the I-185 was not a MiG but Polikarpov design with a radial engine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You didn't make a big mistake, since the MiG-1/3 was actually a design from Polikarpov-team.

It isn't surprising that the radial MiGs (MiG-3 M-82 / MiG-9 / I-230) look very much like the I-185.

To be able distinguish the I-185 M-82 and I-230 in combat would take EXTREMELY good id-ing skills. In practical terms it would be near to impossible. And for those who'd start a debate - COMBAT id-ing isn't the same as taking a long look at a static a/c.

Ruy Horta

Angelus897
04-24-2004, 03:51 PM
Umm, MiG-9 was a jet fighter. The MiG-5 was a radial engine fighter.

Baltar
04-24-2004, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
Firepower was apparently 3x engine mounted ShVAK 20mm on some types of the I-185, so the M71 might end up being the equivalent of the La7-3xB20 in '42. Triple ouch.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Ruy Horta
04-24-2004, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Angelus897:
Umm, MiG-9 was a jet fighter. The MiG-5 was a radial engine fighter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am aware of the designation being normally applied to the post war MiG-9 "Fargo" first generation jet, however I used the designations given in Gordon/Khazanov's work.

Although I admittedly did not dig deep before posting what was essentially an observation on the similarities of the two general types.

Gordon/Khazanov use MiG-9 as a secondary designation for the MiG-3 M-82 (page 74).

In Belyakov & Marmain's MiG Fifty Years of Secret Aircraft Design there is some further explanation.

Again dealing with the MiG-3 M-82 (page 36). Stating that: "In some OKB documents the I-210 is referred to as the MiG-9 (the first of many)."

The MiG-5 is another name for a twin-engine MiG-design (DIS-200). Again from Belyakov.

William Green Warplanes of the Second World War actually seems to mix up the MiG-5 with the MiG-9 - a M-82 powered MiG-3.

Ruy Horta

clint-ruin
04-24-2004, 04:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbhskier37:
The new Laggs, and Yaks are a good addition. Not everyone flys latewar uberplane dogservers, I am sure these new planes will get lots of use.
developed it may be." Adolf Galland
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, definitely agree there. Though I really wish we could get some pre-Type 18 I-16s or the I-15 for SCW stuff along with the 109B and Ju87B1 :&gt;

The '42 LaGGs may actually be a better representation of the typical '41 LaGG 3, from what I remember reading, the 5 gun LaGG 3 S4 was only produced in Leningrad up until the manufacturing base moved. It does really seem to have been as good as it is in FB, just that it was the best one made and most were much less heavily armed / poorer production quality.

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