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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 03:06 AM
I really didn't pay attention to them too much when I saw the P-51B/C, but damn! These Hayates look absolutely fanatastic.

http://www.il2sturmovik-fr.com/the_game/screenshots/21-07-03/Ki-84-1a_4.jpg


http://www.il2sturmovik-fr.com/the_game/screenshots/21-07-03/Ki-84-1b_5.jpg


One suggestion, the top Ki-84 has the 101 Sentai logo on the tail. The 101st used colored spinners to indicate the particular Chutai. White spinner indicated the 1st Chutai, red spinner the 2nd Chutai and yellow the 3rd Chutai.

It doesn't particularly matter which color spinner you use, but it should be one of those three colors.

The latter Ki-84 is spot on. It carries the emblem of the 102 Sentai on the tail. For the 102, the spinner and tail emblem should be the same color. White indicates the 1st Chutai. Great job.

Regards,

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Message Edited on 07/25/0306:10AM by SkyChimp

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 03:06 AM
I really didn't pay attention to them too much when I saw the P-51B/C, but damn! These Hayates look absolutely fanatastic.

http://www.il2sturmovik-fr.com/the_game/screenshots/21-07-03/Ki-84-1a_4.jpg


http://www.il2sturmovik-fr.com/the_game/screenshots/21-07-03/Ki-84-1b_5.jpg


One suggestion, the top Ki-84 has the 101 Sentai logo on the tail. The 101st used colored spinners to indicate the particular Chutai. White spinner indicated the 1st Chutai, red spinner the 2nd Chutai and yellow the 3rd Chutai.

It doesn't particularly matter which color spinner you use, but it should be one of those three colors.

The latter Ki-84 is spot on. It carries the emblem of the 102 Sentai on the tail. For the 102, the spinner and tail emblem should be the same color. White indicates the 1st Chutai. Great job.

Regards,

SkyChimp

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Message Edited on 07/25/0306:10AM by SkyChimp

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 03:10 AM
Any idea what those things on the flaps are ?


Lixma,

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 03:11 AM
The spinner on the top photo IS red. Dark, but red.

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 03:38 AM
As far as I know, they're the extension supports for the "Butterfly" fowler-type flaps when they are engaged. I could be wrong tho'.

Anyone who can clarify this for us Ki lovers?


ps) They ain't gonna be modelled with US 100 octane, are they? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif That's gonna make a lot of people whine!



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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 05:43 AM
Reminds me of a P-47.

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 06:11 AM
I always thought it looked like an FW

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 07:04 AM
Reminds me of a cross of a P-47 and a LA5.

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 07:34 AM
Lixma wrote:
- Any idea what those things on the flaps are ?


Lixma...those are part of the actuating system for the fowler type combat flaps. Fowler flaps are sort of a trademark of the Nakajima fighters. What sets the Ki 84 apart is the fact that they were FLY BY WIRE!!!!!!!

Pretty amazing technology for the time period.

A series of mercury switches detected G-loading and deployed the flaps automatically! The Ki 84 was a truely brilliant design, that was hampered by the collapse of the Japanese manufacturing infrastructure.

Some stats.......

First the armament

Depending on model,
2 .50s and 2 20mm,

4 20mm,

2 20mm and 2 30mm.

Two 551 lb. bombs

Better rate of climb than P51H and P47N

Powerplant: One Nakajima Ha-45 18 cylinder radial. rated @ 1900hp. with direct fuel injection.

Max speed: 392mph @ 20,800ft. service ceiling: 34,350ft.

Max range: 1,347 miles (varied with different external tank options)

Weight empty: 5,864lb. Max take-off weight: 8,576lb.

Initial climb (typical) 3.600 feet (1,100 metres) per minute

It could climb to 5000 METERS in under 6 min.


This aircraft was much different in concept than the Mitsubishi Zero Sen. It was far stronger, better armed and armoured, and it could take hits and survive. Oh, and did I mention it could out turn the Zero?

There are very few (if any) aircraft currently in IL2/FB, that would be able to stay with a Ki84 in a turnfight. If it is properly modeled, the Ki84 will be one of the most well rounded aircraft in the sim.

I eagerly await it's introduction.

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Message Edited on 07/25/0302:38AM by ElAurens

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 07:41 AM
ElAurens wrote : " If it is properly modeled, the Ki84 will be one of the most well rounded aircraft in the sim. "

thank god

anything to stop BnZ online & start ppl turning is a godsend in my book

cant wait for this plane & the Spitfires & the Zeros

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 07:45 AM
i have a question for Experimental plane experts

Superluminal has posted in this thread with a pic of a LW Jet ... what was that Jet called & was it ever more than just a drawing ?

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 07:46 AM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:

- thank god
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- anything to stop BnZ online & start ppl turning is a
- godsend in my book
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- cant wait for this plane & the Spitfires & the Zeros


Badsight..the beauty of the Ki84 is that it would allow the pilot the freedom of choosing either a turnfight or B n Z, depending on circumstance.

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 07:46 AM
I agree to Skychimp, that spinner is currently dark brown, same as applied on early JAAF props. JAAF used a Red similar to "Italian Red".

BTW beside the Ki-61 one of the best shaped a/c in WWII.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Message Edited on 07/25/0307:48AM by KIMURA

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 08:56 AM
Why was it so slow?

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 08:59 AM
Belrick wrote:
- Why was it so slow?

Powerload does count, not topspeed alone./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Cpt.LoneRanger
07-25-2003, 09:04 AM
Yeah, everybody's waiting for that P51.


I'm more happy to see those planes of the pacific theater coming into play. This makes it even more interesting and I'm certainly gonna fly a lot with those Japanese crates.


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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 09:44 AM
Sounds like a beast....More crap planes please!!

And about the comparison with the zeke...please. Not the same years, tecnology and requirements...really.

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 10:19 AM
Lixma wrote:
- Any idea what those things on the flaps are ?
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- Lixma,
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- Blitzpig.
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machine guns that shot guys on ur tail!

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 11:48 AM
AFAIK we dont get the 2 20mm and 2 30mm version...

it was the KI-84c, but the dev update shows a and b models.

but there will be some interesting dogfights:

1. Falco, Buffalo VS. Gladiator, Tchaika, Rata, P.11c

2. 190D9, Ki-84, 190K4,Me262 VS. La-7, Yak-3, P-51, P-47


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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 03:11 PM
Its funny that almost all late Japanese fighters had a
slower topspeed (595-630km/h) than the European fighters
(690km/h < )

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 04:18 PM
That's because by the end of war, the fighters were getting low-grade fuel.

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In US testings, with the US standard 100 octane fuel, the Ki-84 recorded 427mph - only a little bit slower than the P=51D. God knows what might have happened if they ever decided to try the British 150 Octane used in later Spit14s and Tempests.

The power:weight ratio was also excellent - the acceleration rate was probably on par with the the La-5FN or the La-7.

Out turn a Zero? Not likely. However, I think I recall testings against a Spitfire MkIX, which conclusions were that the turn rate of the Ki-84, is comparable with that of the Spitfire MkIX.

Imagine cross-breeding Spit9 maneuverability with La-5FN speed/accel characteristics, and and basically that'll be a Ki-84a. Cross breed it again with extra Hispano cannons, and it becomes a b model. Cross breed it once again, this time with the MK108, and it becomes a Ki-84c.





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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 04:57 PM
Loooks very nice indeed.. probably one of the best turnfighters on late war servers.. atlast some competition to LA-7s/Yak-3s /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 07:36 AM
There're a few reasons the Hayate was slower and less effective than it should have been, even allowing for the lower pilot training levels. First, the maintenance was unbelievably poor, due to the loss of the skilled people they had at the start of the war, without thought or provision to replace them. Then, to compound the error, the bad quality of avgas, and let's just say that the quality assurance department at Nakajima aircraft had their hands full (more unskilled labor issues).

Also, a large number of the engines were recovered after B-29s firebombed the manufacturer in early '45, and most of the engine blocks lost whatever tempering they had. Engine failure was at least as great a danger to IJAAF pilots as the enemy. Ki-100s, which used the the same engine (Homare?) had similar problems.

Finally, by the end of the war, large parts of the Hayates were made of wood rather than steel or aluminum, with the resulting weight and strength penalties you might expect.

Even so, the few operational Franks that got into the hands of the remaining veterans were enough to put the fear of God into the Americans that had to face them.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 09:29 AM
The Ki-100 used the Ha-112-II with 1500hp,
the Ki-84 used the Ha-45/21, Ha-45/21 and /23 with 1800 and 1990hp.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 01:22 PM
The ki84 was the high alt interceptors for the b29s right? I remember seeing b29 tailgunner guncam footage of the ki84s being flying zippos.

Still cant wait for the ki84 shes a beauty and knowing oleg its going to crush all p51 models probally fly very similiar to the yak3 la7 and will have bat turning with the special trim calibration people use.


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