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Hecht234
03-13-2004, 05:26 AM
The 262‚'s nose was made of steel, while the rest of the fuselage was made of light metal.
So shouldn‚'t the nose guns be less vulnerable?

Regards

Hecht234

Hecht234
03-13-2004, 05:26 AM
The 262‚'s nose was made of steel, while the rest of the fuselage was made of light metal.
So shouldn‚'t the nose guns be less vulnerable?

Regards

Hecht234

Koohullin
03-13-2004, 06:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hecht234:
The 262‚'s nose was made of steel, while the rest of the fuselage was made of light metal.
So shouldn‚'t the nose guns be less vulnerable?

Regards

Hecht234<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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p1ngu666
03-13-2004, 07:32 AM
who aims for the nose anyways?
&lt;?&gt;my guns are fine, and ive got sausages cooking nicely in my burning engines http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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noshens
03-13-2004, 09:38 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
who aims for the nose anyways?
&lt;?&gt;my guns are fine, and ive got sausages cooking nicely in my burning engines http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Hecht234
03-13-2004, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
who aims for the nose anyways?
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OK - in dogfight this won't happen too often.

But the bomber gunners do. Try attack on B-17 and you'll see...

BTW the use of steel and light metal caused corrosion on USAAF two-seater Me 262 at Willow Grove:
"The fuselage of this aircraft is at one side of the hangar and is being restored. It was stored outside at Willow Grove and had suffered considerable weathering and corrosion. The use of both aluminum and steel in its construction contributed to corrosion due to galvanic effects." www.stormbirds.com/project/reviews/review_1.htm (http://www.stormbirds.com/project/reviews/review_1.htm)

According to "Nowarra: Deutsche Luftr√ľstung 1935-1945" the nose was made of steel.

Regards

Hecht234

EDIT:

Same description of fuselage at:

www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Me262-R.htm (http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Me262-R.htm)
Sorry, text is in german. Could not find english version.

[This message was edited by Hecht234 on Sat March 13 2004 at 12:11 PM.]

plumps_
03-13-2004, 04:53 PM
Made of steel doesn't mean armoured. Cars are made of steel too, but you wouldn't expect them to be bulletproof, would you?

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VaporBlast
03-13-2004, 05:49 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by plumps_:
Made of steel doesn't mean armoured. Cars are made of steel too, but you wouldn't expect them to be bulletproof, would you?

right on !

Hecht234
03-14-2004, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by plumps_:
Made of steel doesn't mean armoured. Cars are made of steel too, but you wouldn't expect them to be bulletproof, would you?
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I don't think this makes the 262 "bulletproof" at all, but it should provide better protection than light metal. That obviously has been the reason why this part of the plane was built of more heavy metal.


Regards

Hecht234

Dmitri9mm
03-14-2004, 01:42 AM
the nose of the Me262 was made of steel for a reason: Simply to reduce the chance of the 30mm guns getting hit, and therefore should be less prone to damage.
One thing that occured on several occassions but have never been modelled in a flight sim is the possibility of the canonshells going off ad literally tear the plane appart.

tfu_iain1
03-14-2004, 01:09 PM
steel also being an easier to obtain commodity in 1944 germany than duralumin... prolly also helps keep the nosewheel on the ground with the extra weight

Chuck_Older
03-14-2004, 01:20 PM
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Steel can be as thin as aluminum foil. Does that mean it's giving protection, just because it's steel? I use steel shimstock in hydraulic presses from time to time. I cut it to size with a pair of shears, or in some cases, scissors http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Excellent example on the cars, plumps! But unfortunately even if it was proven that the steel was no thicker than that used on a car door, I think we would still have players who want to beleive that it could stop even a .22 round.

The first question here should really be:
"how thick was the steel in the nose?"
the next two should be,
"exactly where was the steel in the nose, and where did it stop?"


The 262 probably had plenty of weight in the nose already, what with the cannons and the ammo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If they wanted to make it heavier, they could have just added a ballast box with lead in it exactly where they wanted it.

As a first guess, I would say that the weight of the weapons and ammo, and the stress on the airframe of firing the weapons, had something to do with steel being used for construction.

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VO101__Kurfurst
03-14-2004, 02:15 PM
Steel was most likely used on the nose because it resisted heat more, being a lot more faster than prop fighter. The nose is the most exposed.

Such heat resistant metals are used on modern fighter jets for the same reason. Titanium, ceramics.. just study the Blackbird or the MiG 25!

Also probably steel was used because of more resitance to damage... the 262 used a fairly high amount of steel plates in its construction.

VVS-Manuc
03-14-2004, 03:15 PM
steel was used because of a lack of dural and other metals in germany at the end of war.

Koohullin
03-14-2004, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VO101__Kurfurst:
Steel was most likely used on the nose because it resisted heat more, being a lot more faster than prop fighter. The nose is the most exposed.

Also probably steel was used because of more resitance to damage... the 262 used a fairly high amount of steel plates in its construction.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What is the temperature given off from a piston engine that is surrounded by aluminum panels? Hotter than what air friction would be, for sure.

The only reference to steel in the nose of the Me262 is for 2 steel reinforcing tubes for mounting the MK108 cannons. The nose cap was spun aluminum.

VVS-Manuc
03-14-2004, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VO101__Kurfurst:
Steel was most likely used on the nose because it resisted heat more, being a lot more faster than prop fighter. The nose is the most exposed.

Such heat resistant metals are used on modern fighter jets for the same reason. Titanium, ceramics.. just study the Blackbird or the MiG 25!

Also probably steel was used because of more resitance to damage... the 262 used a fairly high amount of steel plates in its construction.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At 800 or 900 km/h there is no need for any heat protection.