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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 05:31 PM
WHAT'S THE BEST PLANE TO LEARN TO FLY WITH?

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 05:31 PM
WHAT'S THE BEST PLANE TO LEARN TO FLY WITH?

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 05:34 PM
HOW ABOUT YOU TURN OFF YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY FIRST?

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michapma
06-19-2003, 05:36 PM
No one will agree on the best one, but a good one to start with is the IL-2 itself. Other good ones are the Hurricane and P-39. Any early-war plane should be useful.

Recommend learning to fly first. Even if you know how to fly get used to the flight model. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

Welcome, and have fun!

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<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr valign="top"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project</font> (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

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Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 05:40 PM
depmas wrote:
- WHAT'S THE BEST PLANE TO LEARN TO FLY WITH?
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P39 IS THE HARDEST AND THEREFORE THE BEST PLANE TO LEARN HOW TO FLY!

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michapma
06-19-2003, 05:44 PM
P-39 is not the hardest plane to learn to fly on. It is one of the harder planes to learn to effectively fight with. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

But essentially Smokes is right. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

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<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr valign="top"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project</font> (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

SKULLS_Chap

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SKULLS</a></p></td><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">Hardware issues:
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 05:52 PM
Fly the Hurricane. It just about flys itself.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 05:56 PM
SmokeJaguar wrote:
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- depmas wrote:
-- WHAT'S THE BEST PLANE TO LEARN TO FLY WITH?
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- P39 IS THE HARDEST AND THEREFORE THE BEST PLANE TO
- LEARN HOW TO FLY!



YA BEAT ME TO IT.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 05:58 PM
I suppose you guys would teach someone to drive in a F1 car?

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:00 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- I suppose you guys would teach someone to drive in a F1 car?



YES!

That would be perfect.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:02 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- I suppose you guys would teach someone to drive in a
- F1 car?
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SORRY BUZZ COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN?>>> I'M WARMING UP THE MACLAREN AND CANT HEAR S***

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:04 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:05 PM
"Any plane you want" vs. friendly bombers and transports is, well, an easy way to get started.

Somebody recently suggested the P11c as an easy 'trainer,' so for fun last night I took it up against friendly TB-3s. The resulting 'fight' is a slow one that requires lots of bullets, but that gives plenty of opportunity to get in really close and practice hitting isolated areas of the target.

In general, though, each plane has its unique characteristics so really the best plane to train on is the one you're going to fight with.

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:11 PM
If they had to learn how to drive away from other cars that were shooting at them? Yes >8)

BuzzU wrote:
- I suppose you guys would teach someone to drive in a
- F1 car?

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:13 PM
depmas...
welcome to the forums. (And, yes, it is not polite to 'shout', especially in post titles.)

I have always thought a good answer to that question is, whatever plane you pick, just at least give yourself time to learn it fairly well.

Anyway, for starters,
any Yak,
any Bf-109.

Yes, nothing wrong about starting with the IL-2.


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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:15 PM
The air force surely doesn't agree with starting out a rookie in the hardest plane. You start out easy, and build on that. What the feck is wrong with you knuckleheads?


Feck it! Time for a peach.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:16 PM
My suggestion would be to use a tail dragger rather than a plane with tricycle landing gear and to use a plane whose landing gear retract inward (like the P-47 or FW-190) or directly back (like the Il-2) rather than one whose gear retract to the outside (like the Me-109). My reasons are that most planes of the era were tail draggers and that the narrow wheel base of the Me-109 makes it difficult to take off and particularly to land without cracking up. Don't use a plane with manual gear retraction like the I-16. My advice is to jump right into CEM since it is more immersive and therefore more fun and also it will avoid the creation of a hurdle to cross later. I think a good plane to learn on would be either the Ju-87 or the Il-2 but then I am a mudmover at heart. Neither of these is a hot dogfighter but both are steady and relatively easy to fly. Whichever plane you choose, look it up in the manual on disc two for tips on that particular aircraft.

I know not what course others may choose, but as for me, give me computer games or give me television!

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:22 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- The air force surely doesn't agree with starting out
- a rookie in the hardest plane. You start out easy,
- and build on that. What the feck is wrong with you
- knuckleheads?
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- Feck it! Time for a peach.



Well sure, the military doesn't want to lose an expensive plane to some noob. Now if they could chose what planes would be used for practice without consequence they'd chose the best version of each area.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:37 PM
Ah Buzz, I like avacados better. How about an orange?

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06-19-2003, 06:40 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:44 PM
Somebody fish slap Gemini for me. I'm all out of fish.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:52 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- The air force surely doesn't agree with starting out
- a rookie in the hardest plane. You start out easy,
- and build on that. What the feck is wrong with you
- knuckleheads?
-
-

When I was 7 years of age I went to the beach in Berwick upon tweed with my father. There was a victorian era swimming pool filled with deep water and about the size of a footbal pitch. In the pool were crabs and fish and seaweed. In fact it looked pretty damned scary looking into that deep pool from the surrounding 5 foot thick concreat surounding wall structure.

Suddenly my father threw me in. I could not swim before he threw me in but I tell you what I was at an olympic standard swimmer by the time I hauled myself out spluttering and then screaming like a little girl once I was sure my feet were clear of the freezing water.

My point is the deep end in the best end to learn quickly/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:54 PM
Don't forget all the people that drown../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:57 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Somebody fish slap Gemini for me. I'm all out of fish.


Fish slap me? Who was fishing for who here?
I can see us standing on the same canoe thinking we got a bite when really our hooks were just caught on one another.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:02 PM
I think i'll get some peach cobbler today.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:05 PM
The Yak-1B it is hard to stall and is very stable on take-offs and landings.All Yaks are easy to fly.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:08 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Don't forget all the people that drown

Eeeeek ... My dad was an asshat in those days anyway/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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06-19-2003, 07:18 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:18 PM
Yikes SmokeJag, that is one interesting experience.

I was a pool and waterfront lifeguard for 8 years and I saw a similar experience with nearly the opposite result.

A little boy of 4 or 5 years old came running out of the change room with no parent whatsoever.

I was at the opposite end of the pool and started to walk toward him to tell him to slow down.

Before I could say anything, he jumped right into the pool and went straight to the bottom.
No splashing, no struggling, nothing.

I ran to the edge, looked down and saw him staring up at me with a blank look, like "Where the hell am I?".
That was the weirdest thing I ever saw.

Immediately I jumped in and dragged him off the bottom and he was fine.

At the same time, his mother finally came out of the change room.

I had a few words with her at that point. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Glad you turned out right after your experience. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif




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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 07:56 PM
I think I see a trend here Smoke. Perhaps our flare for learning the hard way stems from similar childhood experiences.

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My brother, 7 years my senior, "taught" me how to swim. Deep end of a public pool he and I were the only ones there. Our Mom was there, but she was using the facilities. He was supposed to watch me and make sure I didn't fall in.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 08:19 PM
I had simular experience, but not swimming.

My dad was a boxer. He taught me how to box, and to test me. He found the biggest kid in the neighborhood to fight me. Lucky for me, the kid couldn't fight, and I won. My dad never made it easy for me.

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