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ElfunkoI
03-08-2004, 08:17 PM
Heres what I've gathered so far, please add to it.

-Use combat and even takeoff flaps at low speeds.
-88-90% PP is the magic number. Climbs and accelerates liek a 190A5.
-As you get faster you gotta lower the PP to conitinue to accelerate.
-Fastest I've gotten was 530 kph on the deck, usual is about 510.

Please add more.

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ElfunkoI
03-08-2004, 08:17 PM
Heres what I've gathered so far, please add to it.

-Use combat and even takeoff flaps at low speeds.
-88-90% PP is the magic number. Climbs and accelerates liek a 190A5.
-As you get faster you gotta lower the PP to conitinue to accelerate.
-Fastest I've gotten was 530 kph on the deck, usual is about 510.

Please add more.

"A6?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Will be A6!"

LEXX_Luthor
03-08-2004, 08:26 PM
At 10km altitude, Max speed 430km/hr IAS on the speedbar...only 30km/hr slower IAS than YP~80 at that altitude.

You can begin vertical loop at 8km at ~300km/hr IAS and complete it safely with combat flaps. Then as you turn away you see your loop contrail. Awsum! For comparison, a A6M2 Zero can do the same at sea level starting at ~200km/hr with combat flaps. All this is boosted power.


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james8325
03-08-2004, 08:32 PM
i love this plane. people online call it ugly, i dont see it. its one of the best looking planes in aep in my opinion, but thats just what i think. do u guys think its ugly?

p1ngu666
03-08-2004, 08:45 PM
i think kurt tank always wanted a stick insect, so he made one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
oh lexx
twice the wings, twice the fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
p11 is really crap now too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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ElfunkoI
03-08-2004, 08:57 PM
%90 PP until about 400 kph then I drop to 88% PP. Top speed ASL 540 KPH full boost radiators closed. Cannot go faster no matter changing PP.

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Maple_Tiger
03-08-2004, 10:47 PM
I cant wate to fly this bird.

I still dont have the AEP yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Zen--
03-08-2004, 11:21 PM
I have been lamenting the lack of acceleration in the Ta152 compared to the D9...climb rate is way lower, overheat seems to be much faster and ofcourse has a lower top speed. But it has been the low acceleration that has caused me the most concern and it seemed to be so low that I might have considered staying with the D9 instead, but then I see this post.

I had mentioned in my first flight post that I thought there might be a performance increase around 80% manual but I didn't pursue it...got lost in the joy of flying the Ta152. Silly me.

Part of the reason is FB 1.22. After months of non stop flying the Dora in 1.21, I felt that 100% manual pitch gave a decent boost in the D9's performance, but in 1.22, it seemed to change. I could barely tell a difference between manual and auto and so got in the habit of staying on auto pitch. With the arrival of AEP I still had that mind set and neglected to really pursue the manual pitch angle. I had upped and downed the manual pitch on that first flight, noticed the change in RPM's and engine noise but didn't take the time to really investigate it. Ooops.


I'm happy to say that the Ta152 does in fact have remarkable acceleration. At 80% pitch, it feels like a Dora and can sustain a 22m/s climb rate at 270-280kph...well within the ballpark for professional Dora jocks to feel at home with. Acceleration is also greatly improved, at 80% pitch the Ta no longer feels like it's stuck in molases which is a very nice change. I'd even go so far as to say that in manual pitch the Ta152 flies, feels and sounds almost exactly like a tuned down Dora but still retains that very impressive turn rate.

Most importantly, and this is the make or break feature for me in an aircraft...E retention is better on manual pitch because of the boost in acceleration. To me, the plane now responds like the Dora, flies as I am accustomed to and has the same predictable performance in climb, zoom and level acceleration.

To me, it's a night and day difference.


Based on my experience flying the FW series, I don't feel this is a bug or an exploit. The acceleration boost is equivalent to what I've seen in the Dora and not like what you used to get in the K4 on manual pitch for example. The Ta in this case is still a 190 and on manual it really feels like it again. That fine line is actually there after all.

I still think the Dora retains E better than the Ta152, dives a bit faster and definately climbs faster, but the Ta is now within range of the Dora instead of being outclassed by it completely.


ElfunkoI, thanks very much for this post. You hit the nail on the head and I very much appreciate it. For me, I can now say I have the deadliest plane in the game at my finger tips, hopefully other 190 pilots will feel the same http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


<S!>

-Zen-

Gwalker70
03-09-2004, 03:36 AM
I am stil hitting that block wall of about 450-500 where in I have to go full max dangerous settings overheating-- trimming about 10 meters a sec nose down ECt to get it up there past that in any kind of good time frame... so I dont know give us the 152C I guess, insert quarter start over... you know everybody is saying go high go high.. if you KNOW ww2 A/C history the TA was still a great plane on the deck unlike FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gwalker70
03-09-2004, 03:38 AM
Zen you keep saying you are so great at the Doras and now the TA but you wont say how or why..ive even tried to start a private topic with you and you ignored me. your post are just now starting to get on my nerves about how you are loving the dora or the TA just my opinion here

robban75
03-09-2004, 06:19 AM
Gwalker, go here for some excellent writing on flying the Fw 190D! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=833107321&r=636109321#636109321

Zen, I've done some climbcharts with the Ta 152 with 25%, 50% and 100% fuel. I can tell you right now, it's a good climber, but as you stated, not as good as the Dora, and especially not as good as the D-9 '44. All in all, the Ta 152 is 10-12 seconds slower to 5000m compared to the '45 D-9. Above 6000m, there no contest! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif However, I do feel that the Ta hasn't got its fair share of speed at the lower altitudes. I'm hoping to find a scanner so that I can post the chart here!

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

Zen--
03-09-2004, 06:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwalker70:
Zen you keep saying you are so great at the Doras and now the TA but you wont say how or why..ive even tried to start a private topic with you and you ignored me. your post are just now starting to get on my nerves about how you are loving the dora or the TA just my opinion here<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whoaa, no need for all that. Sorry but no one ever invites me to private topics, so I never check them.

You can see some of the things myself and others have talked about here:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=586108152&r=987109152#987109152

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=22810009

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=550106851

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=729108142

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=51110714

And you can download a few tracks from here:

http://209.163.146.67


Sorry about the confusion, honestly.

-Zen-

[This message was edited by Zen-- on Tue March 09 2004 at 05:54 AM.]

Zen--
03-09-2004, 07:03 AM
Robban, in your tests how do you think the Ta152 stacks up compared to the object viewer in game?

I tend to find that I trust your tests more than what I see from the OV actually (much appreciated too, that you take the time to do them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

-Zen-

Cossack_UA
03-09-2004, 07:14 AM
I feel like TA 152 is the best a/c for boom zoom and for high altitude bommer kills (that's what it was created for)

And the wings are soooooo long and narrow!

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ElfunkoI
03-09-2004, 07:15 AM
Hehe zen, originally I thought of doing PM collaberation and writing a manual like the A9 manual by Scalps. But I thought it would be too much work, I'll just post it here.

In my opinion it has the exact same speed, acceleration, and climb as the Fw-190A5 at full boost radiators closed. But, the A5 probably dives better, and I have reached 550 kph on the deck in that bird.

I'll have to compare the 80% to the 90%.

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r0xtilux
03-09-2004, 09:29 AM
My La-7 manual:

1. Fly towards opponent.

2. Pull trigger.

You wurger guys have it rough. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ShVAK
03-09-2004, 09:45 AM
Hehe. My P-47 enjoys hunting down Ta-152's at altitude.

As far as looks go, the Ta-152 looks like a glider on steroids. Although I shouldn't comment as the Jug is no beauty either.

robban75
03-09-2004, 10:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:
Robban, in your tests how do you think the Ta152 stacks up compared to the object viewer in game?

I tend to find that I trust your tests more than what I see from the OV actually (much appreciated too, that you take the time to do them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

-Zen-
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the kind words Zen! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I find that the Ta 152 matches up to the OV very well, it's actually a few km/h faster in-game than stated. She's a tough lady I have to admit! Her flatspin tendencies makes the flight more fun and challenging, but I'm not sure that it is realistic. It was hard getting her to spin in RL.
I haven't tried her online yet but in the QMB she can hold her own in a turnfight against an La-7, although not without difficulties. And very much thanks to her stall/spin tendencies she's alot harder to manoeuver with.
It's great bird! No doubt about it, but as I've stated earlier, she is much to slow at low and medium altitudes. When it comes to speed the D-9 has spoiled me that's for sure. In dive acceleration and zoom climb, the D-9 holds a noticable advantage. Pulling up at similar speeds, the D-9 gains around 150-200m in the zoom over the Ta.
The Ta overheats very fast. I made a climbtest from 3000m to 10,000m with Ta and La-7. Even with rads fully open the Ta overheated so badly that the engine lost performance before I even reached 10,000m.
The La-7 on the other hand had no problem reaching 10,000m without toasting the engine. And bare in mind that the Ta climbs to that altitude faster.
Either way, the Ta is an awesome machine, and with a more correct topspeed, it could be close to unstoppable! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
At high altitude she's unstoppable already! It's not even hard to toast the YP-80 at 10,000m!

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When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

El Turo
03-09-2004, 10:21 AM
Elfunko?

Is that you?

Callsign "Turo" in IL2:FB & WWIIOL

Zen--
03-09-2004, 10:36 AM
Thats interesting Robban, at SL I can only get the Ta to go 554kph with 0 m/s indicated, radiator closed and full wep with auto pitch.

Haven't tested it since the first day, been having too much flying it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I will say that the Ta is more than competitive with the La7 now in turn fights...if you handle the Ta well, you are in no more danger against the La7 than you would be if flying another TnB fighter, an experience that is very different from flying a D9 obviously. E fighting is still more toward turning in a manner that gets you angles but burns slightly less E than the La7 as opposed to climbing for E like you do in the D9. I don't think it's wise to climb with the La7 either, but the usual D9 tactics work if steered more toward turning rather than climbing, still need to ride the fine line but if you do, the results are good.

The biggest difference is in the defensive ability of the La7...it can no longer pull a blackout turn to escape, the La pilot is forced to turn with skill. Interesting matchup for sure.


Thanks again for the climb tests, I can say that in my book if I am matching or coming close to your numbers then I am on track and close to optimal performance. I use them as a benchmark for what to expect in dogfights and I've been pretty pleased with the results.

&lt;S!&gt;

-Zen-

ElfunkoI
03-09-2004, 11:12 PM
Of course its me turo, who else would it be? Used to be plain old Elfunko then the new forums hated that handle and made me register with ElfunkoI.

Zen, is there a change in prop pitch with altitude to get maximum performance, or will 80% (or in my findings ~90%) work at all altitudes? I didn't get to test tonight cause I had ground school all night, tomorrow I will though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Gwalker70
03-10-2004, 02:38 AM
sorry zen I am just fustrated over the FW's FM right now well .. more so some of the allied A/C being OVER modeled to make the FW look bad.. I am even looking at other older flight sims to change to and drop FB I was looking at Warbirds 3 just now I may try that on the side here ill make my decision after the first patch for the ADD on

LEXX_Luthor
03-10-2004, 03:24 AM
---&gt; http://www.microsoft.com/games/pc/combatfs3.aspx

Gwalker70
03-10-2004, 04:06 AM
ROFL lexx you must work for Oleg take the most complex messege make it simple repeat it over and over again you communist alien HAHA

Zen--
03-10-2004, 06:54 AM
ElfunkhoI, I've been leaving it at 80% and have no complaints, can't really see a difference so far but less than 80% definately seems to kill level speed. I'll mess around with 90% tonight if I get the chance and compare. TY again btw for reminding me, she's a whole new airplane now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I played around with it yesterday some during a long chase with a P38 and suspect that auto might give the fastest level speed, as I mentioned I can get around 550kph on the deck but 540 is more practical.



Gwalker, don't worry about getting upset, it just shows that you care about the FW and want to get the most out of it. I've never played WB though I've heard a few good things about it, but I can't imagine anything else is better than FB. More entertaining possibly, but not better as a whole.

The trick with the 190 series is practice and getting a feel for E fighting. Honestly it's hard to explain just what to do when, but in general don't turn as much and always try to get higher. There's also a difference in styles between a close fight when he is on your 6 vs a more extended one where you are jockying for position. When he's close all bets are off and you strive to get him back to a neutral position, when he's further out you have more leeway to climb longer and make shallower turns to slowly build up an energy advantage.

Against an agressive opponent, flying the D9 is definately a patience game. Check out those tracks I posted, they might give you an idea of the style I'm talking about. It's not the perfect one, but it works for me...though what works for you will be based on how you like to fly the Dora, there is no single best way imho, other than pure TnB is definately out.

-Zen-

VW-IceFire
03-10-2004, 07:24 AM
I haven't gotten AEP yet so I can't comment there but in 1.22 I feel I am close to invincible in a FW190A-9 or a D-9 in a dogfight room provided that I have the initiative and the altitude.

Quick tips for FW190 flying:

1) Always set your prop pitch. Unlike the 109, you won't immediately burn out the engine. I stick somewhere between 85% and 95% indicated by the game interface.

2) Use WEP during combat which will give your engine maximum boost and acceleration. The FW190's do accelerate quite fast initially. Most make the mistake that its a slow accelerator when they fight a La-5FN or a La-7 because those guys do have superior acceleration. Against others you have no problems.

3) Precision gunnery. I almost never take the MK108 gun option except for bomber interception so count that out for fighting fighters in a Anton model. Use your speed to give you a good shot and open fire in a burst. In 1.22 a well aimed blast of 4x20mm and 2x12.7mm will take apart anything except for a P-47. I actually specialize in taking the controls off of La's since their controls are very weak. You may not destroy your target in the first blast but if aimed correctly you can potentially disable them and make them easy prey for the next attack run.

4) Never turn with your opponent. If you are running down a TNB fighter and they innitiate a high angle turn throw the throttle foward, build up your speed ever so slightly and climb away. Sometimes an up and over will work (a sort of angled climb) which will put you above your opponent on a roughly similar course....unless they continue to turn which means that you now have an altitude and E advantage.

Flying the FW190 is not an easy thing but it can be and it has excellent performance in comparison to few other fighters if you know how to get the most out of it.

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El Turo
03-10-2004, 10:22 AM
Elfunkenstein!

Good to see a familiar face http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll send you a PM.

Edit: Can't figure out how to send a PM.. LOL! (sorry about the off topic post in advance here.. )

Anyway.. a few folks from Hyperlobby told me that Digi and Dv8 merged the ole JG27 with their squad (Aristo).. are you still active with them? I'm looking to switch over to IL2 more or less full time now.. let me know where you're at!

Callsign "Turo" in IL2:FB & WWIIOL

[This message was edited by H_Butcher on Wed March 10 2004 at 09:40 AM.]

robban75
03-10-2004, 10:48 AM
Have you guys noticed that the D-9 and K-4 also is blessed with the lethal flatspin? They don't depart as easy as the Ta 152, but once they're in the flatspin, they simply wont get out of it!

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

ElfunkoI
03-10-2004, 07:55 PM
Turo: Still with Jg27. Also fly with D13th in VEF, that won't be up again till AEP is released in Europe (at least for me).

Zen: 550 with auto huh. Maybe I'll give that a try next time I reach 540. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif When I did those runs I had radiators closed and full boost, I did overheat. I don't know if in game I could actually get to 540kph in combat settings.

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Hunde_3.JG51
03-10-2004, 09:23 PM
LOL Zen, maybe we should make all of these threads a sticky or just publish it in book form and be done with it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

Btw, I think its great that you take the time to help everyone, good on you my friend.

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S77th-MOC
03-10-2004, 09:50 PM
ya props to zen. he has been helping noobler fw pilots not stray away from a great plain. i do think of myself as a vary good fw pilot. and before i read this tread i have given up on the ta but i will try it out today maybe on auto and 80%. the slownest is whats killing me. if it was faster i would pick it over the D 9. but i love how the D 9 can out run most people when a fight goes bad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif o and zen i like most of your post and they have even helped me a bit. keep up the good work.

Zen--
03-10-2004, 09:56 PM
Aw shucks Hunde http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


No point in keeping secrets or pretending to be a great pilot with all the tricks, I know what I know for whatever thats worth.


I like the book idea though, been thinking about writing a 190 how-to. I've got space to host it and would be interested to know if all the FW drivers out there would contribute. I think it would be pretty neat.

ElfunkoI, yessir, I have reached 554kph with 0 m/s indicated, though I don't recall which map it was. I think 530-540kph is more likely during combat conditions though.

Really for all intents and purposes the Ta152 should be considered a slow plane and a mediocre E fighter, mostly due to it's painfully rapid overheating eliminating any long term performance it might have.

I've been comparing it with the D9 and really the Ta doesn't cut it for long term fights. It's a get in and get out fast kind of plane, though I am experimenting with flying at very low power settings and taking more time for pre engagement positioning. It's not so bad under the right conditions, but if bounced by surprise, I haven't found it to be nearly as effective as the D9 in extricating itself. Part of that is compounded by the gunsight bug and now I suspect a feal leak possible bug too.

Or maybe all planes seem to get fuel leaks more often now, I haven't seen enough to compare, only that it happens quite often now. Maybe Oleg's way of saying 'time to go home'?


Hunde or Robban, do either of you have climb figures for the Ta152C? I'd be interested to know how it compares to the H-1.

&lt;S!&gt;

-Zen-

Zen--
03-10-2004, 09:59 PM
&lt;S!&gt; MOC, thanks for the good words, much appreciated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-Zen-

Hunde_3.JG51
03-10-2004, 10:07 PM
I'll look around Zen but I am still building my 190 collection, and I mainly have focused on the early 190's. I rely on you and Robban for the Dora and Ta stuff http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Oh, and I absolutely notice that all planes leak fuel easier now, no question. One sad note for FW-190 DM is that I was set ablaze by two (the first two) .303 rounds (one in wing and one behind pilot). Wish I saved the track. Second, I got hit by 4 .303 rounds and it was enough to kill my engine but there was seemingly no hits in any critical area. Yet I pasted the 190 with other planes and the 190 absorbed some good punishment. It is weird that the small mg rounds seem to penetrate the 190 easily and there are a few VERY vulnerable spots where one rifle caliber round will bring you down. Small mg rounds seem to penetrate very well now, for fun take a Hurricane against a P-38 and see what it does to it, its ugly. Or against a P-47 for that matter.

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Zen--
03-10-2004, 10:43 PM
I've noticed a general trend that small MG seem to light planes up, yet many planes routinely bounce 10 or more 20mm cannon shells, not just spits.

Tonight I counted a P38 take 18 hits from the Ta's MG151. I saw each explosion...no fuel leaks and no engine damage. Perhaps lag was a factor, I can't say but I definately saw the strikes. That is not uncommon from what I've seen since AEP came out.

The shots I am firing are from point blank also..maybe 100 meters, the planes are quite large in the gunsight. It seems that a long burst takes out planes well, but random hits by themselves do very little and when spaced out, seem to have no effect on the target.

Can't say what the missing ingrediant is, but now I am starting to see what appears to be a decline in the effectiveness of the MG151. No hard opinion yet, but something seems to be off.

I know Oleg said nothing changed from 1.22 but there does seem to be a pattern of ineffectiveness to the cannons in general.

I had a P39 wollop my Ta with 3 37mm hits also...ofcourse the revi got shot out, but my plane suffered no other effects other than a fuel leak. The P39 driver complained quite a bit about that too and I kind of felt on his side. I know that I got hit 3 times, felt the plane shudder on each one.

So who knows...I'm still out on this, but it's something that seems to be happening more often than not.

-Zen-

ElfunkoI
03-10-2004, 11:29 PM
I've seen quite a few aircraft taking 20mm hits with not effect and felt it myself. But, I think thats now part of the Il2 expierence, I can't remember when this wasn't a "feature".

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