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frag_bravo
05-20-2004, 05:15 PM
Well I'm at work right now.Cant play,But I can come to you and see what your thoughts on the new patch are?

Did they fix the 50 cal's?
What about the 20mm?
The damage model?
Flight Model?

What else did they fix and what do you like or dislike,

frag_bravo
05-20-2004, 05:15 PM
Well I'm at work right now.Cant play,But I can come to you and see what your thoughts on the new patch are?

Did they fix the 50 cal's?
What about the 20mm?
The damage model?
Flight Model?

What else did they fix and what do you like or dislike,

LeadSpitter_
05-20-2004, 05:58 PM
definatly the best patch ubi released so far, no major problems just very minor fm ones, sound bugs and some graphic problems with runways still. All aircraft can shoto down eachother in a couple well aimed bursts. Even the hurricane mkI with .8 303 can shoot down planes with about 5-6 second bursts

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frag_bravo
05-20-2004, 06:06 PM
How are those 50's?

TooCooL34
05-20-2004, 06:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frag_bravo:
How are those 50's?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Plz don't.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

_VR_ScorpionWorm
05-20-2004, 06:09 PM
Oh, man...finally finished d/led it(56k)........WOOOOOW. These aircraft are awesome. The detail in the cockpits is........there is just no words to describe it. Hurry home.......but be safe.

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You are about to embark upon a Great Crusade toward which we have strived these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. Good Luck! And let us all beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking" - Gen. Dwight D. Eiseinhower-Supreme Allied Commander.

frag_bravo
05-20-2004, 06:12 PM
Now the B-17 is in there? How does the FW190-A6 fly? What other Luft birds are there?

jenikovtaw
05-20-2004, 11:37 PM
A6 flies better than other 190s, if you ask me. And I am surprised that its handling wasnt carried over to A8, which is a pig compared to A6.

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anarchy52
05-21-2004, 03:15 AM
My thoughts:
Overall:
FB has gone from flightsim towards instagib Untreal Tournamet type of arcade. Short bursts rip wings and tail sections. Try to down a B-17...ridiculously easy.

DM:
.50 cal are as powerful as 151/20 from AEP, .50 cal whiners won, they can probably destroy Tiger tanks with their .50 now.
In real life planes were shot down by damage to engines, wings, tanks catching fire or exploding - rarely by ripping aircraft apart with heavy MG.
All planes are made of paper. Except LaGG (kevlar-tree wood)

In AEP every victory was a result of good tactics, outflying your opponent and just a bit of luck. Now almost any plane can spray & pray.

FM:
Just an impression: P-47 can dogfigh Spits. I guess Jug whiners won, congratulations. Twisting the fabric of universe to make customers happy. I guess Oleg is getting ready for PF, USA market is most important, since Pacific theatre of operations is not so interesting to most Europeans. So if Yanks can't shoot Japs by the hundreds and dogfight Zeros they will not be happy and will not buy PF.


Code:
Makes me wonder...if they can not make fine adjustments, each and every patch makes extreme changes, stupid quirks in DM and FM get solved and then reintroduced again - MAYBE their engine is not that advanced and 133t as they want us to believe. They can't tweak just CERTAIN planes that need maybe 10% adjustments? Every tweak changes overall behaviour of many planes. Too complicated to change the bloody muzzle flashes? Give me a break.
Sound engine in FB is the most advanced sound engine in existance? Maybe, but sound it produces is not very convincing. I would give up the doppler effect and that advanced 3D sound to hear a Spit or Mustang in FB...not my neighbour's lawnmover recorded with 8bit precision. By the way...anyone still has the original Il-2? Try it...listen to it, and then say whch one has more convincing sound.

FB was made on the exsisting code base of the original IL, a lot of new features are introduced, but nothing REALLY NEW, mostly eye-candy. I guess they have a lot of stuff hardcoded probably because IL-2 engine was not ment to support that many aircraft configurations. They probably have a lot of spaghetti code which is difficult to maintain.

I hope that BoB will run on new engine, not on another patched up Il-2 engine with aditionall eye-candy and high poly count models.

Why do I play FB in the light of all I said above? Because with all its quirks and bugs there is no other flightsim that comes even close to FB.

NorrisMcWhirter
05-21-2004, 06:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anarchy52:

FM:
Just an impression: P-47 can dogfigh Spits. I guess Jug whiners won, congratulations. Twisting the fabric of universe to make customers happy. I guess Oleg is getting ready for PF, USA market is most important, since Pacific theatre of operations is not so interesting to most Europeans. So if Yanks can't shoot Japs by the hundreds and dogfight Zeros they will not be happy and will not buy PF.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was always my impression with AEP v2.0. Either marketing decisions or demographics amongst playtesters caused bias.

Let's face it, the US is a big market and when shareholders are involved, no one wants to take risks or dare to snub cash cows.

Unfortunately, the result is vanilla flavoured, familiar, safe products which appeal to the masses and is ultimately soul destroying. Take Hollywood movies for example; I'd rather watch an independent production any day of the week.

Increasingly, product development is being sourced from emerging economies and this often brings new ideas and stunning execution. However, there is always marketeers who can always destroy this.

On a lighter note, I actually think the v2.01 patch is OK, for no other reason than you can actually shoot down any US plane without having to pump 10x 30mm shells into it. In that respect, v2.0 was a joke.

Cheers,
Norris

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SeaFireLIV
05-21-2004, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anarchy52:


DM:
.50 cal are as powerful as 151/20 from AEP, .50 cal whiners won, they can probably destroy Tiger tanks with their .50 now.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you may think they`ve won, but they`re others out there (not naming who, bet you can guess), who still aren`t happy with these improvements.

anarchy52
05-21-2004, 06:34 AM
What? they want depleted uranium slugs for .50?
or .50 railguns?

Overpaid, overmodelled and over here...

[This message was edited by anarchy52 on Fri May 21 2004 at 05:47 AM.]

FWdreamer
05-21-2004, 10:28 AM
S!
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Overpaid, overmodelled and over here...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
That is pretty smart to switch that overpaid, over sexxed and over here quote. I think the American response is just as funny "Underpaid, under sexxed and UNDER IKE" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

FWDreamer

GR142-Pipper
05-21-2004, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anarchy52:
(...snip...) Code: Makes me wonder...if they can not make fine adjustments, each and every patch makes extreme changes, stupid quirks in DM and FM get solved and then reintroduced again - MAYBE their engine is not that advanced and 133t as they want us to believe. They can't tweak just CERTAIN planes that need maybe 10% adjustments? Every tweak changes overall behaviour of many planes. Too complicated to change the bloody muzzle flashes? Give me a break.
Sound engine in FB is the most advanced sound engine in existance? Maybe, but sound it produces is not very convincing. I would give up the doppler effect and that advanced 3D sound to hear a Spit or Mustang in FB...not my neighbour's lawnmover recorded with 8bit precision. By the way...anyone still has the original Il-2? Try it...listen to it, and then say whch one has more convincing sound.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agree with you on all counts. It's been my contention for quite a while now that the programmers have tried to architect a situation where all the planes were more or less equal. It looks like they've succeeded and have tossed realism to the wind (to wit: 50 cals without punch, P-47s that all of a sudden can't take a hit, Yak-3s which are now slower, 109s and 190s that can cut power while no one else's aircraft can...the list goes on and on).


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why do I play FB in the light of all I said above? Because with all its quirks and bugs there is no other flightsim that comes even close to FB.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That may be true for today but there will come a time (probably sooner rather than later) when another company will produce a decent flight sim and this one will be toast. Too bad too because they've had plenty of time to get it right but have instead taken the fantasy route with ficticious tweaking to the point of ridiculousness. Go figure.

GR142-Pipper

StellarRat
05-21-2004, 12:40 PM
Pipper I saw you flying last night and you were whining there too. If this sim is so bad why do you bother? By the way, the P-47 is now back to it's old toughness (no more engine fires) and the .50s work great now.

TheGozr
05-21-2004, 12:57 PM
I like it so far, great improvement ,
I really like the new FOV, it make a big difference into the game, closer to reality.

-GOZR
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ASM 1
05-21-2004, 01:03 PM
I like it too - the B25's are excellent and I am enjoying the various tweaks etc on the flyables - none more so than the TA152 which is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif now like it should be http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

S!

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TugZooey
05-21-2004, 01:44 PM
I like it, but I've only been messing around flying with the keyboard. I think my wife sabotaged my 45 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Maple_Tiger
05-21-2004, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anarchy52:

FM:
Just an impression: P-47 can dogfigh Spits. I guess Jug whiners won, congratulations. Twisting the fabric of universe to make customers happy. I guess Oleg is getting ready for PF, USA market is most important, since Pacific theatre of operations is not so interesting to most Europeans. So if Yanks can't shoot Japs by the hundreds and dogfight Zeros they will not be happy and will not buy PF.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was always my impression with AEP v2.0. Either marketing decisions or demographics amongst playtesters caused bias.

Let's face it, the US is a big market and when shareholders are involved, no one wants to take risks or dare to snub cash cows.

Unfortunately, the result is vanilla flavoured, familiar, safe products which appeal to the masses and is ultimately soul destroying. Take Hollywood movies for example; I'd rather watch an independent production any day of the week.

Increasingly, product development is being sourced from emerging economies and this often brings new ideas and stunning execution. However, there is always marketeers who can always destroy this.

On a lighter note, I actually think the v2.01 patch is OK, for no other reason than you can actually shoot down any US plane without having to pump 10x 30mm shells into it. In that respect, v2.0 was a joke.

Cheers,
Norris

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



You can dog fight Spit Fires, in the P-47?


You mean like in a turn fight?


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anarchy52
05-21-2004, 07:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
You can dog fight Spit Fires, in the P-47?
You mean like in a turn fight?
Lol. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, of course not, but jugs do FEEL a lot more manoueverable. I was just beeing a bit sarcastic.

DM after the patch is the thing that annoys me, not FM.

GR142-Pipper
05-21-2004, 08:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StellarRat:
Pipper I saw you flying last night and you were whining there too. If this sim is so bad why do you bother? By the way, the P-47 is now back to it's old toughness (no more engine fires) and the .50s work great now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am simply disappointed in the patch. I very much DO like this sim but I see it being tweaked away so the differences between the aircraft are getting less and less. I wish it weren't so. You seem to construe any adverse comments as "whining". That's not the case....just my opinion.

GR142-Pipper

VVanks
05-21-2004, 08:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anarchy52:
My thoughts:
Overall:
FB has gone from flightsim towards instagib Untreal Tournamet type of arcade. Short bursts rip wings and tail sections. Try to down a B-17...ridiculously easy.

DM:
.50 cal are as powerful as 151/20 from AEP, .50 cal whiners won, they can probably destroy Tiger tanks with their .50 now.
In real life planes were shot down by damage to engines, wings, tanks catching fire or exploding - rarely by ripping aircraft apart with heavy MG.
All planes are made of paper. Except LaGG (kevlar-tree wood)

In AEP every victory was a result of good tactics, outflying your opponent and just a bit of luck. Now almost any plane can spray & pray.

FM:
Just an impression: P-47 can dogfigh Spits. I guess Jug whiners won, congratulations. Twisting the fabric of universe to make customers happy. I guess Oleg is getting ready for PF, USA market is most important, since Pacific theatre of operations is not so interesting to most Europeans. So if Yanks can't shoot Japs by the hundreds and dogfight Zeros they will not be happy and will not buy PF.


Code:
Makes me wonder...if they can not make fine adjustments, each and every patch makes extreme changes, stupid quirks in DM and FM get solved and then reintroduced again - MAYBE their engine is not that advanced and 133t as they want us to believe. They can't tweak just CERTAIN planes that need maybe 10% adjustments? Every tweak changes overall behaviour of many planes. Too complicated to change the bloody muzzle flashes? Give me a break.
Sound engine in FB is the most advanced sound engine in existance? Maybe, but sound it produces is not very convincing. I would give up the doppler effect and that advanced 3D sound to hear a Spit or Mustang in FB...not my neighbour's lawnmover recorded with 8bit precision. By the way...anyone still has the original Il-2? Try it...listen to it, and then say whch one has more convincing sound.

FB was made on the exsisting code base of the original IL, a lot of new features are introduced, but nothing REALLY NEW, mostly eye-candy. I guess they have a lot of stuff hardcoded probably because IL-2 engine was not ment to support that many aircraft configurations. They probably have a lot of spaghetti code which is difficult to maintain.

I hope that BoB will run on new engine, not on another patched up Il-2 engine with aditionall eye-candy and high poly count models.

Why do I play FB in the light of all I said above? Because with all its quirks and bugs there is no other flightsim that comes even close to FB.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

New Engine? Come on buddy, they still use Unreal Engine for new games, JUST a patched up unreal engine. I'd like to see a patched up Il2 Engine.

From what i gather from PF, the Il2 engine certainly has lots of potential.

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Cajun76
05-22-2004, 05:29 AM
Wow, u guys (Anarchy, Norris) have really hit it on the head. In the interest of realism, please help me to introduce the requirement that I can shoot down 4.6 LW a/c to everytime my Jug gets shot down, and additionally, have a combat loss rate of only 0.7 percent overall. Thanks....

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Carda2004
05-22-2004, 02:03 PM
I am not so good in english so its hard to explain how I feel but I feel disappointed in this patch. That new spitfire IXe with no radiator ??? and overheat when you go with 80% isn't fun. Also its seems I rip wings of planes with just a few bullets now? I liked it like it was before, really have a good fight for a kill. Ofcourse I like new B25 AI planes but what they changed what was in the game already was not to my liking.

WUAF_Badsight
05-22-2004, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVanks:

New Engine? Come on buddy, they still use Unreal Engine for new games, JUST a patched up unreal engine. I'd like to see a patched up Il2 Engine.

From what i gather from PF, the Il2 engine certainly has lots of potential.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

actually the Unreal Engine goes thru lots of changes over the years with Unreal5 being all new

WarGod5475
05-22-2004, 04:15 PM
well i havnt seen any gun footage of planes taking half the magazine to get put down.

and if you do research you find that most encounters were very brief and it matterd more about who surprised who. and very little of the plane itself.

Other than the b-17 ofcourse and some p-47's

so it seems alot better to me now as far as replicating what it was like to fight and fly in ww2.