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Mad_Piglet
08-16-2004, 11:25 PM
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I have completed a new chapter on High Altitude Fighting at www.il2flying.com (http://www.il2flying.com)

Please come and take a look.

Comments are welcomed on the forum.

Mad_Piglet
08-16-2004, 11:25 PM
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I have completed a new chapter on High Altitude Fighting at www.il2flying.com (http://www.il2flying.com)

Please come and take a look.

Comments are welcomed on the forum.

Maj_Death
08-17-2004, 12:32 AM
Interesting artical which is correct in stratagy but specifics wise it tends to be false. For example 2000m is by no means high altitude, 9000m is high altitude. 3000m and less is low altitude, 3000-7000m is medium altitude and 7000m+ is high altitude from a WW2 standpoint and also in an online war. Another thing is the La's soundly outclimb the Fw-190's at all altitudes assuming equal initial energy. The Fw's advantage in high altitude fighting is that it maintains superior high speed handling and has a higher max dive speed than most other planes. The higher max dive speed combined with a quicker pull out allows the Fw to appear to outclimb the La's and Yaks. In reality it is simply starting its climb at a higher speed and is able to begin climbing back up while the ruskie plane is still diving. One final comment I have is that flaps do effect speed at higher altitudes. They effect it just as much as they do at low alitude in fact, possibly even more so. The difference is the air is thinner up high so you fly faster with flaps at altitude than you would down low but that doesn't mean you don't suffer a penalty. The penalty at higher altitudes is just as heavy as it is at lower altitudes.

In general though it is reasonably good. BTW, I post this here cause the last thing I need is to register with yet another forum. I'm already in too many of them.

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Mad_Piglet
08-17-2004, 08:55 AM
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This article doesn't really contradict any of your observations.

1) For all practical purposes you gonna find a hard time looking for planes online above 5000 meters, and even above 2000, not too many go that far. So for the purpose of this game 2000 is pretty much as high as 90% of flyers will go. At this altitude you start feeling that your plane is no longer behaving the same. If you noticed I am not trying to build any parallels to actual aeronautical terms or historical facts - I am explaining how to fly a particular aircraft in this game. So for that purpose 2000 is the borderline, where you should start acting differently.

2) If you read the article well, you've noticed that I do warn about high speed diving ability of FW190 and ability to keep energy better. So my point was to fly La5 and Yak3 in a manner which compensates for their shortcomings, to allow that climb advantage.

3) As for flaps, again, I do mention that they have to be used carefully, but my main point is that you can use them at higher speeds. I do not tell anyone that they should fly with flaps down all the time, but that they can and should use it when appropriate.

F16_Petter
08-17-2004, 09:22 AM
AFAIK Combat flaps never jam, no matter what airspeed so...

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jenikovtaw
08-17-2004, 09:53 AM
Whatsup with it being concentrated on La5/7, I expected some german tactics.

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Mad_Piglet
08-17-2004, 12:23 PM
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As for WINNING German tactics I don't know any (just never could learn how to fly Bf or FW).

I can tell you about some LOOSING German tactics if you are interested http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My next chapter will be on how to kill Bf109. If you know someone good, who'd like to write an article how to win in Bf against La - be my guest - I'll publish it.

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Maj_Death
08-17-2004, 12:34 PM
Ok I see your point but even in the DF servers I fly in most fights atleast start above 3000m.

BTW, tactics for the Fw-190 are very simple. Climb insanely high, dive on unsuspecting enemies, run like hell and never turn. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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carguy_
08-17-2004, 12:41 PM
Swell,not that I think La drivers need any.

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Korolov
08-17-2004, 01:27 PM
A few points of my own...

The Lavochkin series of fighters will definately want to switch supercharger stage up when they reach about 6000m - this is imperative to getting the most power out of the engine (and rather handy since the Lavochkins tend to be pigs at altitude.) Lowering fuel mix to 60% or so at this altitude is also important (you can lower to 80% mix at about 3000m.)

However, in most cases, the Russian fighters except the MiG-3 are probably best left at below 3000m. Their performance degrades too much to be competetive at high altitude. I also think it's dangerous to go fast with *all* the russian planes, as they either have heavy controls or they break up too soon. With their acceleration, it's quite easy to miss what speed you're going and exceed your critical VNE.

In closing, leave high altitude combat to the Germans, Americans and the British. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Mad_Piglet
08-17-2004, 02:30 PM
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Looks like at a time Russians didn't have high flying strategic aviation, so all their planes were built for low altitudes, to protect the most important aircraft in their arcenal: IL2.

But in spite of that, Yak3 seems to be able to cover the high altitude range (something like 10km if I am correct). Not that you'd dive in it, but it would outrun German planes in level flight when flying high or low.

Too bad there are not too many people practice at 10km altitude in IL2 to find out for sure, but I've seen Yak3 winning Bf109 in a regular manner at 5000. Both Yak3 and Bf109 were flown by the best (I was just a witness).