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Hristo_
03-09-2004, 12:06 AM
From AEP feature thread:
"
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 45) 1941
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 46) 1942 clipped wings
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1943
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1944 clipped wings
"

Now, I'm not so familiar with Spitfire development history, but I'm well aware that they had Spit IX in 1942, not to mention other Marks.

Now, why did they still produce Mark V in 1944, with Mark IX and especially Mark XIV available ? Were these Mark Vs new planes or just upgraded old machines ?

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Hristo_
03-09-2004, 12:06 AM
From AEP feature thread:
"
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 45) 1941
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 46) 1942 clipped wings
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1943
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1944 clipped wings
"

Now, I'm not so familiar with Spitfire development history, but I'm well aware that they had Spit IX in 1942, not to mention other Marks.

Now, why did they still produce Mark V in 1944, with Mark IX and especially Mark XIV available ? Were these Mark Vs new planes or just upgraded old machines ?

http://easyweb.globalnet.hr/easyweb/users/ntomlino/uploads/sig.jpg
"Boom and Zoom does NOT equal Hit and Run. Not the same thing, no way, no how. BnZ means I manage my energy state (while judging yours) to keep myself from getting into your sights in the vertical.
Turn and Burn is the first refuge of the uneducated, Hit and Run the last refuge of the incompetent, while BnZ is the sign of a true master of Air Combat."
-Moggy, 666th Internet Daemons

RAF74_Buzzsaw
03-09-2004, 03:03 AM
Salute

Shortage of engine, not plane.

Merlin 60 series were not being produced in large enough numbers. So they kept producing the 40 series engines and putting them in Spit V bodies. (The Spit IX essentially was a Spit V with a bigger engine)

The problem was solved in 1944 as the huge US production machine came online producing licence built Packard Merlins both for the P-51's and Spitfires. These were copies of Merlin 60 series engines, and were what equipped the Spit XVI, which began to make up a larger and larger amount of the total Spitfire fleet.

The Packard Merlins were not as good as the Rolls Royce versions, they tended to wear out faster when run at +25 boost, but there were plenty of spare parts, and they were easier to work on.

JG27_Arklight
03-09-2004, 03:04 AM
Mark V's were still in service.

Many units kept using the Mark V but delegated their role to low and medium altitudes. Those units that did this would then task the Mark IX's to the higher altitude role.

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nixon-fiend.
03-09-2004, 03:08 AM
The USSR received the spits from Britain as the RAF updated with more modern marks.. so After the mk.V was considered obselete it was shipped to Russia for them to use..

Koohullin
03-09-2004, 05:07 AM
It would be nice if people would read the other threads with Spitfire in the title.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It is surprising what information that can be found.

From another thread and SimHQ

Supermarine Aviation(Vickers)

2cd order built as
Mk VA, VB
April - Oct '41

3rd order built as
Mk V
July '40 - Jan '41

4th order built as
PR MkIV, F VB, VC, F IV
Aug '41 - Feb '42

5th order built as
PR Mk IV, F VB, VC, F VI, F VII, F IX
Feb '42 - Nov '42

6th order ???

7th order built as
PR IV, VC, F VI, F VII, F IX, PR XI, F XII
Nov '42 - Aug '43


Vickers Armstrong(Castle Bromwich)

1st order built as
Mk IIA, IIB, VA, VB
June '40 - July '41

2cd order built as
Mk VB
July '41 - Nov '41

3rd order built as
Mk VB
Nov '41 - May '42

4th order built as
VB, VC
Apr '42 - Aug '42

5th order built as
VB, VC
Aug '42 - Dec '42

6th order built as
VC, Mk IX
Dec '42 - Apr '43

7th order cancelled

8th order built as
VC, Mk IX
Mar '43 - Jun '43

9th order built as
VC, Mk IX, XVI
Jul '43 - May '44


Westland Aircraft

1st order built as
Mk I, VB, VC
Jul '41 - Sept '42

2cd order built as
Mk VC
Sept '42 - Feb '43

3rd order built as
Mk VC
Feb ' 43 - Nov '43

From the above list, it has only VCs coming off the assembly line starting in Jan 1943. Yet we get a 1944 Spitfire. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

[This message was edited by Koohullin on Tue March 09 2004 at 08:50 AM.]

Koohullin
03-09-2004, 07:57 AM
Lets try again to release

[This message was edited by Koohullin on Tue March 09 2004 at 08:50 AM.]

Bull_dog_
03-09-2004, 09:21 AM
My understanding is that the later modifications of the Lf V's made them very competitive down low with contemporary Luftwaffe aircraft...I don't have charts or data but only history. I've read this in a couple of books...that is that the Lf V of 1943 was as fast as a Fw-190 at low altitude and faster than Bf 109's...they performed well as long as they had high cover so were used well into 1944 in front line service...

I recently read that Spitfires produced more aces than any other allied plane...can anyone confirm or deny that? Even more than the Hellcat... that speaks more about the quality of the aircraft than anything.

Koohullin
03-09-2004, 09:44 AM
dp

Koohullin
03-09-2004, 09:45 AM
How does one erase a duplicate post?

Oso2323
03-09-2004, 01:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I recently read that Spitfires produced more aces than any other allied plane...can anyone confirm or deny that? Even more than the Hellcat... that speaks more about the quality of the aircraft than anything.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't confirm or deny, but I would imagine that it has something with being in service in large numbers in 1939-40, and then becoming the main RAF front-line fighter from 1941-45. The Americans, by comparison, used a variety of planes as did the Soviets.

EPP-Gibbs
03-09-2004, 01:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nixon-fiend.:
The USSR received the spits from Britain as the RAF updated with more modern marks.. so After the mk.V was considered obselete it was shipped to Russia for them to use..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes about 1500 of them, which makes you wonder why it wasn't included in IL-2 Sturmovik v1.0

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