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sugaki
05-13-2004, 02:52 PM
Tried out PF on the E3 show floor, looks pretty good so far. Talked to Luthier and met Oleg. Might drop by to get a better list of planes, especially for the US side.

Helldiver and the Jill are AI only http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://www.gamepro.com/computer/pc/games/previews/35574.shtml

Kamikaze is in! woohoo.

-Aki

sugaki
05-13-2004, 02:52 PM
Tried out PF on the E3 show floor, looks pretty good so far. Talked to Luthier and met Oleg. Might drop by to get a better list of planes, especially for the US side.

Helldiver and the Jill are AI only http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://www.gamepro.com/computer/pc/games/previews/35574.shtml

Kamikaze is in! woohoo.

-Aki

necrobaron
05-13-2004, 02:57 PM
Thanks for the information. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Do you have any idea if the Jill and Helldiver aren't flyable due to lack of references or to lack of time?

"Not all who wander are lost."

rpkiller
05-13-2004, 03:03 PM
what a load of cobblers

those screens are clearly fakes, and the picture of the F4F over water was posted here ages ago.

not a single genuine screen, and therefore i would presume the rest to be equally phony.

necrobaron
05-13-2004, 03:19 PM
Those aren't fakes. Luthier himself posted that Hellcat pic just a few days ago. Most of the info there coincides with what we've heard so far....

"Not all who wander are lost."

brasil66
05-13-2004, 03:50 PM
Yes. They are all fakes, as are the photos of lunar landings and those taken from space showing the earth to be a sphere.

cuckoo! cuckoo! cuckoo!

noshens
05-13-2004, 03:52 PM
B29 possibly flyabe??????? WOW

VW-IceFire
05-13-2004, 03:54 PM
Too bad about the Helldiver. Hopefully both Helldiver and Jill will be available post release. Luthier did say that he was interested in continuing support for PF like Oleg has for FB.

The commemorative airforce still flies a Helldiver so finding a cockpit shouldn't be too hard.

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rpkiller
05-13-2004, 04:00 PM
ok, a misinterpretation, probably on my behalf.
what i meant to infer is that the screenshots are nothing new, i've seen most of them before and a few could easily be produced in fb as it stands. so the screenshots i would assume aren't from e3 as such. the text doens't contain any information which hasn't been posted here at some point. that said, i was being unreasonable in my claims and i'm sure sugaki has played pacific fighters, and i was thrown by the screens not being from e3 directly, though i'm sure taking screenshots from e3 isn't that easy so i guess old screenshots are understandable.

apologies,
rp

heywooood
05-13-2004, 04:08 PM
speaking of 'cobblers'...

a list is a list until it is THE list...

Aztek_Eagle
05-13-2004, 04:09 PM
hopefully we will get static campain, i mean every single mission hand made, the dynamic campagin in fb makes the mission almost the same one from the other in my opinion, and it is sad, i like more the old campaigns from il2sturmovik, realy neat, the good thing about fb is that those online dedicate servers wiht targets feels more like a campagin,... where is the dedicate server.... gona be great to fly on those battles, have been reading several books about pacific battles, iwo jima, pearl harbor, saipan, okinawa, peliliu, and midway, lets see if i feel like now i am part of the battles...

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faustnik
05-13-2004, 04:23 PM
Hopefully the N1K2 George will be flyable. The JNAF needs a late war fighter.

My favorites, F4F, F4U, and SBD are there so, I'm very happy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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sugaki
05-13-2004, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>i was thrown by the screens not being from e3 directly, though i'm sure taking screenshots from e3 isn't that easy so i guess old screenshots are understandable.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those aren't directly from the show floor, they're from the asset disc available on the show floor. I suppose I could take some pictures of the game in action, but it won't be as good a quality as screenshots provided by Ubi.

As for the Hellcat pic, I got it from that thread in here, added it since screenshot index have rows of threes and figured it'd look better have a third screenshot for that row.

Jill and Helldiver are likely due to time constaints, Luthier did say one plane didn't make it cus' of lack of references, forgot which.

Oh yeah, no plans for an F8F or other '46 planes in the initial release too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-Aki

MetalG.
05-13-2004, 04:47 PM
I'd liked to have seen a Ki-44.
Also I hope that the George will be made flyable as well.
On the other hand I'm very happy we're already getting all these great aircraft, they will make for fantastic missions. Finally flyable torpedo bombers and other rare stuff (in other sims that is). Great!

Barkhorn1x
05-13-2004, 04:49 PM
"Jill is AI only." I am happy to see a Jill at all - not like you find one in every (any) flight sim.

Hey wer'res the Judy? Gotta have both "sisters" - along w/ thier ulgy cousins (Kate & Val) to host a real good Turkey Shoot! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Barkhorn.

JG53Frankyboy
05-13-2004, 05:00 PM
hopefully they only forgett to mention some Royal Navy FAA stuff http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

a Seafire L.MkIIIc would be nice change to the US NAvy heavy metall to fight the nimble Zekes.

but, they also forgett the USAAF fighters http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Giganoni
05-13-2004, 05:56 PM
No Ki-44? Ki-46 over the Ki-45?. Oh well I know its a partial list, but I hope the full list doesn't depress me too much ahaha.

Hehe, plus the Ki-42..ooh, I a new type of Oscar hahaha, maybe with 2 75mm cannons and rockets. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

NegativeGee
05-13-2004, 08:24 PM
Yep, the Ki-44 is conspicuous by its abscence. C'mon Luthier!- at least give us Shoki fans an indication of what prescence, if any, it may have in PF!


Other than that, the both plane lists are looking good and balanced, although the Allied one is much better endowed than the Japanese one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
05-13-2004, 08:47 PM
First the Good News... <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Clouds are more voluptuous, vastly improving upon the sparse little puffs seen in FB. Water effects have been blah blah... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> NEW CLOUDS http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif (and more of them) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Bad News.... Ki~27 AI only http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

matkal80
05-13-2004, 11:51 PM
what abot devastators, they arent mentioned even as AI.
But I am sure they will be there.

They dont even mention P-40, P-38, P-39, P-47, P-51 or Emily as AI

That list sucks.

We have to wait for official one

[This message was edited by matkal80 on Thu May 13 2004 at 11:05 PM.]

[This message was edited by matkal80 on Thu May 13 2004 at 11:09 PM.]

matkal80
05-14-2004, 12:09 AM
BTW comparing this list with the AOTP flayble aircraft:

Allied:

Only Helldiver and Devastator from PF will not be flayble like they were in AOTP, but B-25, B-29(possibly), Catalina (future), Havoc and beaufighter will be flayabli in PF as they werent in AOTP.

LEXX_Luthor
05-14-2004, 12:26 AM
C'mon fellas/fellattes the mag only listed 24 planes and half them AI only.

40 Flyable planes *hint* ---&gt; P~40 flyable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

Penguin_PFF
05-14-2004, 12:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
Hopefully the N1K2 George will be flyable. The JNAF needs a late war fighter.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The George referred to on the unofficial plane list is the N1K1-J Shiden.

EmbarkChief
05-14-2004, 07:08 AM
I'd like to get the B-26....

s.bush
05-14-2004, 08:35 AM
with future patches and expansions we should get the following flyable planes as well:
ki45,
devastator,
b24,
privateer,
ki15,
claude
c47
British planes.
I believe the b26 was only present in europe.
s.bush

heywooood
05-14-2004, 08:54 AM
I said it before and I'll say it again..

A list is a list until it is THE list...

I will wait for THE list myself... when 1c posts it - until then... Quack. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

diabloblanco1
05-14-2004, 11:08 AM
Only thing that makes me wonder is that it is like the game is completely stand alone with no FB intergration. Hope that is not what is going to happen.

The Devil made me do it!

jtasker
05-14-2004, 12:19 PM
One thing I have not seen a lot of information about, which is CRITICAL to a CV based naval sim is the DAMAGE MODEL of the SHIPS..

A detailed and accurate Damage modedl, with some integration of damage control, is vital to make a CV sim realistic. The old 2 Torps or 3 bombs will sink the CV is so stale its sickening.. and not having the guns onboard be destroyed with a direct hit by a bomb is annoying to say the least.

CV combat was damage control combat.. Given enough time a CV could be often saved if the crews were well schooled in damage and fire control (something the US had an edge in) However, striking them while they were vulnerable and damaged (slow, listing, unable to launch AC etc.) would often result is a total loss due to sinking or uncontrolled fire followed by sinking.

CV's have magazines for defensive guns, Aviation ordnance,, AV Gas, Oil Bunkers,etc. Hopefully the ships damage model will be much more detailed than it is currently..

heywooood
05-14-2004, 12:24 PM
another troll....sigh.

we haven't seen anything to hint at ship DM's for this sim yet and you bash?... c'mon Billy

You gotta have more than this?!?..

sugaki
05-14-2004, 11:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>we haven't seen anything to hint at ship DM's for this sim yet and you bash?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I shoulda included P47, P40 and P51 in my article as flyable, but was so busy with other articles that I forgot.

As for detailing ship DM, I'm not so sure it'd be in the game. The reason being is that from playing the game it seems PF uses the exact same engine to run the game. There wasn't a noticeable diff like there was from CFS2 to CFS3, or PAW and EAW.

The idiosynacracies from FB will probably still be in Pacific Fighters.

unseen84
05-14-2004, 11:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by s.bush:

I believe the b26 was only present in europe.
s.bush<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

B-26s saw combat at Midway and in the South Pacific, especially over New Guinea early in the war.

jtasker
05-15-2004, 11:53 AM
"another troll....sigh.

we haven't seen anything to hint at ship DM's for this sim yet and you bash?... c'mon Billy

You gotta have more than this?!?.."

Heywood,
You might be too young to have good reading comprehension skills..so its hard to grap the concept of my post.. Or maybe you didn't read it. But either way, my post was in no way a trtoll..made NO comments on something I have not seen yet (PF DM) and only stated the obvious. CV combat revolves around sinking the other guys platforms.. Damage control and Damage model is EVERYTHING.. If A single hit worth X number of points sinks a CV regardless of whether or not it hit the fan tail, bow, or mid ship, it makes the gameplay quite un immersive. The more accurate the damage model of the CV the more interesting the gameplay and the more fun it is to play it.. its quite simple.. next time I'll post pictures for the reading impaired..

heywooood
05-15-2004, 12:03 PM
Alright jtasker -

But if you read and comprehended the text update at netwings - you would have seen the info regarding this exact concern. Granted it was posted there after this thread or my original post.. so waiting for it would have been better..

I will paraphrase it.. "the guns will be manned and will suffer damage and be rendered inoperable when successfully attacked/strafed or bombed - so that co-ordinated attacks where the surface ships are 'softened' will be accurately represented.. also that ship DM's would be enhanced but it is still in developement.. WIP etc..

no need for you to post any illustrations... unless I get to color them in?!!

How old are you

[This message was edited by heywooood on Sat May 15 2004 at 12:04 PM.]

[This message was edited by heywooood on Sat May 15 2004 at 12:06 PM.]

jtasker
05-16-2004, 04:14 PM
"But if you read and comprehended the text update at netwings - you would have seen the info regarding this exact concern. Granted it was posted there after this thread or my original post.. so waiting for it would have been better.."

So what your saying is if I had read the post on a different board, THAT WAS NOT EVEN POSTED IN THAT OTHER FORUM YET I would have seen info about my concern??

It took you TWO EDITS to come up with that reply??

BTW I'm old enough not to make a rediculous statement like that..

heywooood
05-16-2004, 08:24 PM
jtasker -

what I meant was that if you were patient and just waited a day or so - your whine would have been un-necessary..." waiting for it would have been better" as I said, and you copied but failed to comprehend...BtW my edits were for spelling and grammatical errors only.

And if you are going to go around now to all my previous posts and make churlish comments - you are a very small minded person indeed.

"waiting for it" refers to waiting for more information from the developers themselves about their project BtW ..instead of whining about what might be. Regards,
Heywoood Jablome

PlaneEater
05-16-2004, 10:27 PM
As someone who has the REAL plane list--you know, dev team and all--I can tell you, without a doubt, that whatever has been posted is woefully incomplete.

There is much, much more that will be included than you're expecting so far.

Penguin_PFF
05-16-2004, 10:47 PM
Quiet you! If they find out about the F-86, we're toast!

Oops...

aminx
05-17-2004, 01:23 PM
nooooo devastator!!!!

absolutely unaceptable....preposterous.....
unadmissable.......who's in charge here...
snort.....
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s.bush
05-17-2004, 01:39 PM
B26/B25the reason why the B26 was moved to the european theater according to the records the B26 was too fast and sofisticated and needed expert maintenance.the pilots needed more training as well.In the begining there where so many crashes and deaths that the top brass was about to ground it.
The B25 was the logical substitute in such envirements such as africa and the south pacific
mainly because it was less complex slower and easier to maintain and much more forgiving which was essential for new comers.
in the end the B26 did very well in europe and the B25 was adored in the pacific.
s.bush

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sugaki
05-17-2004, 05:12 PM
After much confusion (even though i did say "partial list"), I added some more US planes in there.

If you didn't get much out of the article, well since it's not a review build I can't simply nitpick at what's right and wrong about the game yet. It's meant for general readers, not those who scour these boards everyday http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I didn't think jtasker's original post was trolling either, he was just pointing out that ship DM is important, which it is.

Penguin_PFF
05-17-2004, 05:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aminx:
_nooooo devastator!!!!_

absolutely unaceptable....preposterous.....
unadmissable.......who's in charge here...
snort.....
aminx http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/113.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WILL NEVER BE IN THERE!@!!!!!
Q##$#%^$^$^

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there.

edit again. Actually this is pretty cool, I can get a whole army of these angry little mother****ers going...

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I'm so emotional!

Alyssa1127
05-17-2004, 10:12 PM
Of course, the obvious has already been said regarding the finalized list -&gt; not until it's released will we all know.

Still, I do hope the flyable-Devastator does make it in, whether intially or in patch. Just to see if those interested (self-included) have what it takes to beat the 90% loss rate at a recreated Midway, let alone actually planting a successful torp strike into the belly of a CV...

BTW - excellent ref on the TBD massacre on National Geographic's 'Battle of Midway', including survivor's account.

Alyssa

heywooood
05-17-2004, 11:01 PM
I think the boneheads and agitators are giving Penguin skin failure!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
aminx - you're both http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

It doesn't matter who says it nor how many times it is said.. There is no certified list of flyable planes or AI planes for PF yet -

Buncha slamheads - your plane isn't in or out until Ilya says its in.. or out... so just wait for the REAL list. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

sugaki
05-17-2004, 11:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Buncha slamheads - your plane isn't in or out until Ilya says its in.. or out... so just wait for the REAL list. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that list is what Luthier told me in person, so technically he did say they were in or out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Course it doesn't account for all the other planes that I didn't ask about--I just asked about a bunch of planes that came to my mind.

-Aki

s.bush
05-17-2004, 11:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sugaki:
After much confusion (even though i did say "partial list"), I added some more US planes in there.

If you didn't get much out of the article, well since it's not a review build I can't simply nitpick at what's right and wrong about the game yet. It's meant for general readers, not those who scour these boards everyday http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I didn't think jtasker's original post was trolling either, he was just pointing out that ship DM is important, which it is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ooops.... and the p38 and the ......and the ....
cross your fingers the ki45.....actually we check every 15 minutes for news on pf and every 30 minutes on iraq.
cheers
s.bush
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heywooood
05-17-2004, 11:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sugaki:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Buncha slamheads - your plane isn't in or out until Ilya says its in.. or out... so just wait for the REAL list. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that list is what Luthier told me in person, so technically he did say they were in or out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Course it doesn't account for all the other planes that I didn't ask about--I just asked about a bunch of planes that came to my mind.

-Aki<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well - then thats just heresay evidence isn't it judge.. and as such it is not admissable in..The Peoples Court da da da..The Peoples
Court

-wood

Obi_Kwiet
05-18-2004, 08:45 AM
B-29 Superfortress (Possibly flyable) &lt;---- http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif wow!

jtasker
05-18-2004, 11:23 AM
Heywood,
My post is as valid as the day I posted it.. Its a statement of FACT, not an opinion. In fact, given the LATER statement frfom the Dev. Team it is something they are also well aware of but had not yet posted any informtion about. And, it did not even reference the game itslf..so how exactly is that a "whine" in anyones eyes other than some fan boy who derives his self esteem from trying to throw himself on the Oleg Bandwagon..

There are far too many juveniles on this board and others who overlook the obvious to try and curry some type of favor from "Oleg" over any issue. The self appointed Oleg fan club needs a rest.. Look at some of this issues posted in the many forums objectively and you'll see many valid points brought up, in threads that were degenerated by juvenile name calling by people unwilling or unable to comprehend the information presented..

sugaki
05-18-2004, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And, it did not even reference the game itslf..so how exactly is that a "whine" in anyones eyes other than some fan boy who derives his self esteem from trying to throw himself on the Oleg Bandwagon..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well put. Just because somebody has a different perspective than somebody else doesn't mean that the person's a whiner, or fanboy. A sort of reverse-fanboyism has been seen in the boards lately if anything.

Oh and to let you guys know, apparently the Kate is AI, at least in the initial release. Made the change in me article.

-Aki

Giganoni
05-18-2004, 01:03 PM
Hey guys has anyone posted up the Gamespy article of the game? Its here.

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/pacific-fighters/516140p1.html

Although we probably all figured it would be true, these guys actually talk about the "Dynamic" campaign part of PF will make you more important. You'll be able to change the course of famous battles "especially" if your a bomber..and that is one of the reasons they are emphasizing bombers a lot.

luthier1
05-18-2004, 01:15 PM
And before anybody begins to complain about changing the course of the war, explain this to me. A player is flying a Zero in a battle of Midway, and heroically (or via invulnerability/unlimited ammo) shoots down every single American plane in the air and prevents any Japanese carriers from being sunk - then flies towards the American carriers and sinks them both. What do we do in the debriefing, present him with "sorry, you've lost the battle"?

I know I'm exhaggerating, but PTO is actually the theater where a single pilot's actions can drastically change the course of the war. It's pretty much inevitable that during many missions carriers and ships which were historically sunk will survive, and vice versa. Say the player flying for the Japanese manage sink both the Lex and Yorktown during the first day of the battle of the Coral Sea. We just can't have the next mission follow the historical guidelines.

Or what the hell do we do for example if some adventurous player takes off in a P-36 out of Hawaii, finds the Japanese carriers and kamikazes one scoring a lucky hit and sending the Akagi to the bottom in the first hours of the Pearl Harbor attack?

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

Giganoni
05-18-2004, 01:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:

Or what the hell do we do for example if some adventurous player takes off in a P-36 out of Hawaii, finds the Japanese carriers and kamikazes one scoring a lucky hit and sending the Akagi to the bottom in the first hours of the Pearl Harbor attack?

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh, so the P-36 will be flyable in PF, thanks for updating the Plane list Luthier http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

luthier1
05-18-2004, 01:27 PM
You gotta check out the official site more often http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/fb_development_300404.php

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

Giganoni
05-18-2004, 01:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
You gotta check out the official site more often http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/fb_development_300404.php

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh I know its coming for AEP, but no one said anything about PF. Plus until E3 a lot people wondered how the allies would even "play" Pearl Harbor, or even the Japanese. Since it's sure to be short (maybe not the mission itself, but the battle). Anyway, I have no problem with changing the course of the battle. However, I doubt my lowly Ki-43 will be able to change much, still you should give me lots and lots of ingame ki-43 shots. Naw, in all it should be a fun game, and this allows you guys to get creative with "what if" battles.

matkal80
05-18-2004, 01:35 PM
and what if he wants to sunk Shokaku, Zuikaku or Hiryu or Soryu, instead of Akagi

Will he be able to do that?

sugaki
05-18-2004, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A player is flying a Zero in a battle of Midway, and heroically (or via invulnerability/unlimited ammo) shoots down every single American plane in the air and prevents any Japanese carriers from being sunk - then flies towards the American carriers and sinks them both. What do we do in the debriefing, present him with "sorry, you've lost the battle"?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great point! I distinctly remember shooting down every single plane in Pacific Air War and AOTP for the Midway historical mission, only to be met with "sorry the IJN suffered horrible losses at Midway," which was annoying (it ain't that easy turning back hordes of SBDs you know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

I love branching campaigns personally.

And if it branches out enough for Japan, maybe there'd be enough time for A7M Reppus to be deployed, or F8Fs ....there's always wishin' http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Barkhorn1x
05-18-2004, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:

Oh I know its coming for AEP, but no one said anything about PF.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It stands to reason that anything relevant in FB/AEP - either flyable or AI - will appear in PF A they are both 1C Productions after all.

Barkhorn.

[This message was edited by Barkhorn1x on Tue May 18 2004 at 06:02 PM.]

necrobaron
05-18-2004, 10:53 PM
I love the fact we are getting a truly dynamic campaign. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

Tvrdi
05-19-2004, 03:03 AM
like in IL2 and FB later we have a bunch of allied planes flyable..only few axis (japanese here) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif....WTF

necrobaron
05-19-2004, 03:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
like in IL2 and FB later we have a bunch of allied planes flyable..only few axis (japanese here) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif....WTF<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you're basing this on what? Like it has been said many,many,many times, no official planelist has been released...

"Not all who wander are lost."

LEXX_Luthor
05-19-2004, 03:31 AM
Italians are coming for FB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Dynamic campaign does mean the possibility of late WAR Japanese wonder planes making it in time...and USA wonder planes too. I'd like to see J2M Raiden...


---&gt; http://www.wwiitech.net/main/japan/aircraft/j2m/index.html

If anything, I could use it in Easter Front dyanamic campaign as substitute MiG I~224 (or MiG~11?) along with Ta~152H. -- like they used Yak~1 as Spitfire. Yes, there was a time of Desperation like that.