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fluke39
07-26-2003, 07:46 PM
for some resaon i have very strong recollections of elevators and or ailerons 'hanging loose' when planes are not in use or on the ground - yet this is not the case in any planes in fb - does anyone know why - have i imagined this

also - i dont know if anyones pointed this out before but why to those he111 luftwaffe dummies fly with their nav lights on all the way to the target? - is this realistic? - surely it's as good as saying "hey guys look at me - come shoot me - i love it!" - and - "Zis is where i'm going to drop my bombs better find cover everyone !!"

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fluke39
07-26-2003, 07:46 PM
for some resaon i have very strong recollections of elevators and or ailerons 'hanging loose' when planes are not in use or on the ground - yet this is not the case in any planes in fb - does anyone know why - have i imagined this

also - i dont know if anyones pointed this out before but why to those he111 luftwaffe dummies fly with their nav lights on all the way to the target? - is this realistic? - surely it's as good as saying "hey guys look at me - come shoot me - i love it!" - and - "Zis is where i'm going to drop my bombs better find cover everyone !!"

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 07:47 PM
fluke39 wrote:
- for some resaon i have very strong recollections of
- elevators and or ailerons 'hanging loose' when
- planes are not in use or on the ground - yet this is
- not the case in any planes in fb - does anyone know
- why

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fluke39
07-26-2003, 08:04 PM
again i feel the need for the smiley face rolling his eyes and putting his face in his hand in despair /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

i shall have to make one some day

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fluke39
07-26-2003, 08:39 PM
I knew i wasn't going to get a proper answer on this one /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 08:59 PM
The game assumes that the pilot is always holding the stick.

Thus, when your joystick is centered, the elevators and airlerons will be centered as well, whether you are holding the joystick or not.

Then on the second day, it was made bug free, and He saw that it was good.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 09:14 PM
Thay are balanced by weights or balance horns and other means...
Do a google search (elevator balance)...Should give you more info...

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 09:20 PM
It's so cold in Russia, that they are stuck until you move the stick.


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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 09:26 PM
usually it's just the elevator that "hangs", ailerons don't. Btw the balance horns preventend the elevators from hanging, unless the pilot left the stick all back...

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 10:05 PM
fluke39 wrote:
- again i feel the need for the smiley face rolling
- his eyes and putting his face in his hand in despair
-
- i shall have to make one some day

Well now dont go that far, Im sure they will start selling viagra somewhere near you soon!




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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 10:19 PM
Don't know wether there were any control wheel locks in WW2 birds, in Cessnas there is such a thing. It's for preventing heavy winds damaging the controls. In modern planes control surfaces, especially elevators starts hanging once the hydraulic pressure is releaved. As there were no such things in WW2 birds, it's all up to the pilot. And I'm not talking about viagra, although that's optional too of course./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 10:23 PM
robban75 wrote:
- Don't know wether there were any control wheel locks
- in WW2 birds, in Cessnas there is such a thing. It's
- for preventing heavy winds damaging the controls. In
- modern planes control surfaces, especially elevators
- starts hanging once the hydraulic pressure is
- releaved. As there were no such things in WW2 birds,
- it's all up to the pilot. And I'm not talking about
- viagra, although that's optional too of course.

OH ELEVATORS as in CONTROLS... my bad I though you ment elevator as in raise her up... Ah nuff said /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 02:38 PM
You Ever hear of Control Locks, Often just a medal Rod that goes through the Stick and frame to lock down the control surfaces. It is dangereous to park an aircraft without then control lock in place. It could cause damage to the aircraft control surfaces if left to be moved by the wind.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 02:54 PM
ummmh

hate to mention this


but ailerons are linked asymmetrically so that when one goes up the other goes down


you will never see both ailerons drooping down at once

(well actually the 109 applied a little aileron droop with flaps to add to the flap action but it was a barely noticeable couple of degrees)

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 03:24 PM
yep, the mustang for example has a locking lever on the base of the control stick.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 03:58 PM
109F/G had a control-column locking arm. 190 used a strap from the left rudder-peddle arm to the control-column or external control locks. Some WW1 a/c only had single acting aileron movement via cables, these could both droop when stationary. Also,servo-tab operated controls can flap about wherever they want when not locked or stationary on the ground.
SM

PS. Aileron droop with flap on 109 was on 109E(and possibly earlier), NOT 109F/G/K.
Rgds SM

Message Edited on 07/27/0304:20PM by schwarz-man

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 07:09 PM
No joystick deflection should translate to no power applied to the stick and the control surfaces returning to wherever they go when you let go of the stick.

Gust locks, while interesting, aren't really relevant as they would not be applied in the typical Il-2 startup situatin anyway IMO. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

But yes, rudders are often balanced. Lots of lead ahead of the hinge!

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 07:45 PM
swifty9999 wrote:
- You Ever hear of Control Locks, Often just a medal
- Rod that goes through the Stick and frame to lock
- down the control surfaces. It is dangereous to park
- an aircraft without then control lock in place. It
- could cause damage to the aircraft control surfaces
- if left to be moved by the wind.

Yes some planes like pipers I don't think they have control lock so after the flight we just tie them with seat belt. Oh the rudder has wooden control lock outside btw.

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