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rpkiller
04-06-2004, 12:56 PM
OK, I'm not sure if this has allready been asked / answered but...

will this pit be improved for PF at all????

rp

rpkiller
04-06-2004, 12:56 PM
OK, I'm not sure if this has allready been asked / answered but...

will this pit be improved for PF at all????

rp

Korolov
04-06-2004, 03:16 PM
What's wrong with the P-47's cockpit as is?

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Fennec_P
04-06-2004, 03:18 PM
A number of texture and mesh errors. As well as non-functional gauges.

Most notably, the seat and rear wall.

I believe Oleg replied to this before and said no, it will not be changed. The errors are not severe enough to warrant the dev time to fix, and the non-functional gauges are not required in order to fly the plane.

Maj_Death
04-06-2004, 03:23 PM
It would be nice if it were reworked some. Right now its textures are terrible. It is cetainly one of the worst quality cockpits in AEP.

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Fennec_P
04-06-2004, 03:33 PM
Be nice, if it was not made by 3rd party modeller, it would not be in game at all.

Chuck_Older
04-06-2004, 03:56 PM
If some of the others weren't masterpieces, we would never notice the difference http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'd like to see a touch up as the P-47 is one of my main planes right now, but rather than "The p-47 cockpit is horrible", you should say "cockpit modelling has advanced in leaps and bounds"

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rpkiller
04-06-2004, 04:43 PM
cockpit modelling has advanced in leaps and bounds... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

luthier1
04-06-2004, 05:04 PM
If anyone would like to volunteer his time to remodeling the P-47 pit, I'll gladly work with him. Other than that though, I just have no resources to dedicate to improving existing models.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

Chuck_Older
04-06-2004, 06:14 PM
Luthier-

I wonder if it would be worth your while to mention this on a broader scale- That if some folks would like to volunteer time and effort into improving some aspects like cockpit models, now is the time to speak up.

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VW-IceFire
04-06-2004, 06:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
If anyone would like to volunteer his time to remodeling the P-47 pit, I'll gladly work with him. Other than that though, I just have no resources to dedicate to improving existing models.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Two possibilities here:

1) The crew working on the P-47N pit.

2) The guy who originally did the texture work who posted a few weeks ago about the fact that some of his stuff was missing (like the red chair - which was supposed to be green) and wanting to have it fixed.

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chris455
04-06-2004, 07:05 PM
Luthier,
The original Jug pit modeller goes by the name JHAT. I beleive he may be Brazilian.

I do not know if he would be available to re-work the pit. He has stated somthing to the effect that he was under a time constraint or such while working on the original.

May I have your permission to refer him to you for a possible rework scanario?

Chris

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luthier1
04-06-2004, 07:19 PM
The guy building the P-47N pit should really concentrate on that rather than get distracted on other models. I know the original P-47 cockpit modeler - honestly if he was available to do work on the project I would have given him something else to do, the experience that he has is too important to be spent on finetuning existing models.

Chuck_Older: I don't want to make a large-scale announcement that I'm looking for people to improve existing stuff. That'd be like opening the floodgates. I don't even have the time for the P-47 cockpit, but I'll do it since I agree it's not on as high a level as some other cockpits. However everyting else is quite acceptable in my opinion, so I don't see any reason for anyone to spend any time with them.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

VW-IceFire
04-06-2004, 08:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
The guy building the P-47N pit should really concentrate on that rather than get distracted on other models. I know the original P-47 cockpit modeler - honestly if he was available to do work on the project I would have given him something else to do, the experience that he has is too important to be spent on finetuning existing models.

Chuck_Older: I don't want to make a large-scale announcement that I'm looking for people to improve existing stuff. That'd be like opening the floodgates. I don't even have the time for the P-47 cockpit, but I'll do it since I agree it's not on as high a level as some other cockpits. However everyting else is quite acceptable in my opinion, so I don't see any reason for anyone to spend any time with them.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good and fair point...just not sure if the two are similar enough. I haven't really looked.

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DONB3397
04-06-2004, 08:31 PM
Isn't the old T-bolt cockpit functional enough? It could use a directional/homing device, but otherwise you can generally fly on instruments for short distances.

As I recall, the P-47 had a relatively limited role in the Pacific since it couldn't be landed on carriers.

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chris455
04-06-2004, 10:32 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DONB3397:
Isn't the old T-bolt cockpit functional enough? It could use a directional/homing device, but otherwise you can generally fly on instruments for short distances.

Fact:
40% of the instruments in the P-47 cockpit are non-functional, dysfunctional, or missing altogether.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DONB3397:
As I recall, the P-47 had a relatively limited role in the Pacific since it couldn't be landed on carriers.

Misconception.
For a brief period in mid 1944 the majority of squadrons in 5th AF Fighter Command flew P-47s. The Jug continued to play an important role in the PTO until VJ day.

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[This message was edited by chris455 on Tue April 06 2004 at 10:35 PM.]

luthier1
04-06-2004, 10:37 PM
BTW just to clarify my earlier post here. Any changes we do to the P-47 pit can only be cosmetic. We will not change any functionality, there's simply no time for that at all.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

chris455
04-06-2004, 10:42 PM
10-4 Luthier.
I am going to let this go now, since I agree with you that 3D modelling resources are more urgently needed to develop new material.

I have a tendancy to be somewhat passionate when it comes to the Jug. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Could you tell?

I'll be grateful for any improvements that are made. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
(Can't help thinking at this point what Capt. Haddock is doing these days) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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[This message was edited by chris455 on Tue April 06 2004 at 10:36 PM.]

[This message was edited by chris455 on Tue April 06 2004 at 10:37 PM.]

Korolov
04-07-2004, 12:27 AM
There were quite a few Tbolt aces in the pacific. Mostly they had Razorbacks down there in the early years, but they managed to get bubble tops eventually.

Point being, the P-47 had a large role in the Pacific, just that it's ETO glory pushes it out of the light.

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Eagle_361st
04-07-2004, 12:46 AM
Did someone say Jugs? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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starfighter1
04-07-2004, 01:27 AM
hi,
does this mean we can't expect a new programmed 'camera view system in the game engine'
or better: we will get'old wine in new bottles'

as me and other pointed out:
better to create a PF Addon than to work as a designer with the 'old corrupt gnomish camera view system of IL2' to create a correct virtual pilots view compare to real things.

we need a new flexible camera view system including such features like: adjust pilot seats and the gyroscope view of hight at combat fight...
my two cents to this old discussion of a correct pilot combat views in the running game camera view system..

on the other hand : a scenario like PF should be based on a new game engine as in FM/DM/KI/CV and not only reprogrammed in some parts of graphic features...

Any list of progress points available ?






<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
BTW just to clarify my earlier post here. Any changes we do to the P-47 pit can only be cosmetic. We will not change any functionality, there's simply no time for that at all.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Diablo310th
04-07-2004, 08:53 AM
Luthier....I would love and appreciate anything for the Jug. Anything to make my beloved Jug look..smell...run..and kill better. LOL

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rpkiller
04-07-2004, 11:29 AM
f a n t a s t i c

thanks luthier

rp

Diablo310th
04-12-2004, 06:47 AM
Luthier....could you give us any kind of idea when it would be possible to get the new cockpit for our Jug? I'm not whining (maybe begging tho) I jsut want anything and evrything for the Jug. LOL

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HarryVoyager
04-14-2004, 12:29 AM
The current P-47 cockpit has the wrong gunsight for the USAAF version. It has a British gunsight that we used in export versions, but not in the ones we used. Our gunsights were different. I unfortuantly don't recall which sight it was, off the top of my head, but it was almost certainly one we used on other fighters as well. One could probably get most of the needed work done, by simply copying the sight from one of the other US aircraft that used it.

Harry Voyager

PlaneEater
04-14-2004, 02:43 AM
Didn't the late model Jugs use the Acemaker?

Checking--

Yup, introduced with the P-47D-30 block.

Diablo310th
04-14-2004, 06:37 AM
That would be nice to have a corect site in it. Luthier....which site will we have in the N model when we get it? the K-14?

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