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raaaid
05-25-2004, 08:22 AM
the nasty bars of the bf are kept on

the gunsight base and the head rest blocks part of your view in some planes, in real life shouldnt.

at high distance you see planes as white dots but when they come closer they become invisible against the ground

if you see the elevator trim of the p40 youll notice that takes half second to operate, even has a stick on it

with combats on many planes wont stall by pulling the joystick fully for example the la and the biplanes

gunnery is too powerfull except for the p51 guns and alike

im not saying its a bad game just saying it has many mistakes like these and many others

raaaid
05-25-2004, 08:22 AM
the nasty bars of the bf are kept on

the gunsight base and the head rest blocks part of your view in some planes, in real life shouldnt.

at high distance you see planes as white dots but when they come closer they become invisible against the ground

if you see the elevator trim of the p40 youll notice that takes half second to operate, even has a stick on it

with combats on many planes wont stall by pulling the joystick fully for example the la and the biplanes

gunnery is too powerfull except for the p51 guns and alike

im not saying its a bad game just saying it has many mistakes like these and many others

Jasko76
05-25-2004, 08:44 AM
I agree on all points!


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SeaFireLIV
05-25-2004, 09:02 AM
You must have your stick settings set in a way to avoid stalls in some planes - which can be done. I have to be careful not to pull my stick too hard or the LA5fn will and does stall out (but I like riding the edge of a stall in dogfights).

P51 to me is fine. I shot down 2 TA152`s on Warclouds with the .050s. I admit the guys flying the TAs weren`t flying them to the best of the machine`s ability!

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ELEM
05-25-2004, 09:07 AM
No faults with the man or his machine? It MUST be the sim is wrong. Right?

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

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HH Quazi
05-25-2004, 09:49 AM
Sorry m8. But if I couldn't find anything other than what you listed to complain about, I'd keep my mouth shut. It's a shame that all anyone can do is complain in public. You should complain to those that can do something about it. Try an email to Oleg Maddox. He is the man that can do something about it. Personally, I think there is nothing so wrong with this patch that can't be dealt with in a proper manner and through proper channels. I say this with no malice or ill-will towards the original poster. Just a little aggravation.

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Obi_Kwiet
05-25-2004, 09:53 AM
He's posting what he thinks are bugs, and disscussing the sim. After all thats what this fourum is FOR isn't it?

lil_labbit
05-25-2004, 10:01 AM
And I thought well, today he might be positive http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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Franzen
05-25-2004, 10:17 AM
I agree. This is a forum specifically for IL-2 players. I tend to voice complaints or opinions here simply cause I might be wrong, therefor not wasting Oleg's time and delaying projects. If I see a thread I don't like or think it's not interesting I just pass it. I like to here what everyone thinks anyway whether I agree with them or not. You know, freedom of speech and all that stuff.

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LEXX_Luthor
05-25-2004, 12:56 PM
All FB planes stall you just don't know how to do it. Jerk the stick back quick.

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Hawgdog
05-25-2004, 01:06 PM
Hmmm, I must have gotten the Russian version, I got none of those problems...that and I got a poster, T-shirt AND Olegs secret config.ini settings, no, really. Those "average" settings probably work with most average computers. I can pull back so hard on the stick now it breaks!

steve_v
05-25-2004, 02:06 PM
Remember, this site has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It's a privately owned game forum. You want freedom of speech - write for a newspaper.
As long as topics and replies conform to forum guidelines, threads remain active. When that line is crossed, they are edited, or locked, or deleted. This one will remain open for now. If it becomes a whine thread, it will be locked.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
You know, freedom of speech and all that stuff.

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

VW-IceFire
05-25-2004, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by raaaid:
the nasty bars of the bf are kept on

the gunsight base and the head rest blocks part of your view in some planes, in real life shouldnt.

at high distance you see planes as white dots but when they come closer they become invisible against the ground

if you see the elevator trim of the p40 youll notice that takes half second to operate, even has a stick on it

with combats on many planes wont stall by pulling the joystick fully for example the la and the biplanes

gunnery is too powerfull except for the p51 guns and alike

im not saying its a bad game just saying it has many mistakes like these and many others<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
1) What nasty bars? I don't see any nasty bars.

2) This isn't real life..its a simulation, there are limitations to what a flat CRT/LCD screen can do.

3) Again this is a limitation but one that could probably be fixed. You should see planes in the distance better than now...but its not bad.

4) The trim delay is part of how to prevent cheaters from using the trim controls to initiate turns that are otherwise impossible. To avoid this will requir a new engine and I expect Battle of Britain will provide.

5) All planes will stall when you pull back on the stick. Some like the La7 have little stalls and loss of lift...FW190's roll on their back and Spitfires do as well. Depends on your stick settings largely.

6) Gunnery power for most planes is just on. I feel the .50s are still a little weak sometimes but its once again probably a limitation of simulation. If you watch gunnery cams from the war you'll quickly see what guns do to a flying target...2.01 represents a much closer depiction of that reality than 2.0.

I agree with you on a few of them but I don't for the most part agree. I understand where you are coming from and in an ideal world some of what you ask for would be true but we have to be realistic.

Some of these are worth striving for in the future...for sure.

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Hawg-dawg
05-25-2004, 07:38 PM
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Franzen
05-25-2004, 07:46 PM
The only thing that disappointed me about the patch was the missing Hawker. I was really looking forward to that one. I heard it was in the beta but I guess it wasn't ready. I hope there will be another patch with it.

Back on topic. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

ElfunkoI
05-25-2004, 07:50 PM
Last night I noticed the glitch where planes morph into the ground and become completely invisable, as in the human eye cannot see them. The reason I am so sure is I got to see it with first the lead plane, then time to say "that better not happen to that Spit" (which I happened to be going after). Lo and behold the Spit went invisable at the exact same place the friendly plane did (I had altitude advantage, they blended with a certian plot of earth of different color and did not reappear after that plot, not until I got much closer did they reappear). All this happened after I noticed what I took to be improved dot markers for aircraft, not having german airplanes be 4 times bigger than an allied dot anymore. I think this bug should really really be adressed, if it needs a patch or if I just need new (or old) drivers for my video card (9800pro).

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Franzen
05-25-2004, 07:59 PM
Wow! Elfunko, you have the Bermuda map? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
Where can I download it? Or has that site mysteriously disappeared? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Fritz Franzen

Maple_Tiger
05-25-2004, 08:14 PM
The game or sim will never be perfect.

Now for thoughs of you who, like myself, that have bought and played this game since version 1.0, know how far this sim has gone.

I realy sugest that for anyone who has not played this game in version 1.0, that they do so. You'l see how far it has come along.

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Hawg-dawg
05-25-2004, 08:31 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Maple_Tiger:
The game or sim will never be perfect.

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Jumoschwanz
05-25-2004, 08:46 PM
That is the best point made in the whole thread. Go buy the original Il2, it is less than ten bucks now, and install it and see what it was like. The original Il2 was great, but the current version is five hundred percent better. Almost every detail has been tweaked and improved. Surely programming a game like this from scratch is very tough, it is a miracle that it came to be at all. The best WWII flight sim ever and for a long time to come. Even after Bob and some other come out with new engines they will not be all around better packages, they will not have the number of planes or other features for a long time.

It is important to post everyone's opinion here, this is the feedback from the public that the makers of the sim can use to gauge many things surely. From the perspective of someone who has not been with the il2 series since it came out in 2001, when I bought it and started to fly it offline at first along with the MS combat sim 1 and 2, it might be easy to point out faults whether they are based in history and reality or not. But when you have been with the sim for the past roughly three years, you grow more and more appreciative of the work and art that has gone into it, and thankful for each little bit more we are given in the face of what must be more and more time spent on other projects and newer sims by these coders and programmers and modelers. S!

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hobnail
05-25-2004, 08:51 PM
I feel the bunny/pancake image calling to me...

LeadSpitter_
05-25-2004, 08:52 PM
I actually think 2.01 is the best patch we got, it really shows who has the best aim. Where as before you had to bnz 5-6 passes on certain aircraft with very little effect.

Also the addition nose pieces added which are from 2.0 do block the bottom of the gunsite but should be there.

Even tho deflection shots are a bit harder. Be happy the nose doesnt pitch up when you on the ground if you think a tiny piece under the gunsite blinds defelection or fly the 190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Same with more violent pilot headshakes.

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wayno7777
05-25-2004, 09:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElfunkoI:
Last night I noticed the glitch where planes morph into the ground and become completely invisable, as in the human eye cannot see them. The reason I am so sure is I got to see it with first the lead plane, then time to say "that better not happen to that Spit" (which I happened to be going after). Lo and behold the Spit went invisable at the exact same place the friendly plane did (I had altitude advantage, they blended with a certian plot of earth of different color and did not reappear after that plot, not until I got much closer did they reappear). All this happened after I noticed what I took to be improved dot markers for aircraft, not having german airplanes be 4 times bigger than an allied dot anymore. I think this bug should really really be adressed, if it needs a patch or if I just need new (or old) drivers for my video card (9800pro).

"A6?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Will be A6!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've noticed this also. I thought maybe they were flying into a ground hugging mist, but now I'm not too sure. And I have no problems stalling. I go to a roll in a 190 all of a sudden I'm in a spin. See no problem. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Capt-Hawg
05-27-2004, 12:05 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by steve_v:
Remember, this site has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It's a privately owned game forum. You want freedom of speech - write for a newspaper.
As long as topics and replies conform to forum guidelines, threads remain active. When that line is crossed, they are edited, or locked, or deleted. This one will remain open for now. If it becomes a whine thread, it will be locked.

Or the BOOT

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Franzen
05-27-2004, 12:56 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif Some guyz just seem to look for flames. If you take the time to read my post you'll find that my "freedom of speech" comment was my opinion and in no way said to be part of this forum. It's what I like. But if some of you feel that the original poster's personal opinion about the patch was off topic then go complain to a mod. It really takes all kinds doesn't it?

Fritz Franzen

Capt-Hawg
05-27-2004, 01:01 AM
Careful or u will get the boot . Russian game s are like you know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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ThanasisK
05-27-2004, 01:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steve_v:
Remember, this site has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It's a privately owned game forum. You want freedom of speech - write for a newspaper.
As long as topics and replies conform to forum guidelines, threads remain active. When that line is crossed, they are edited, or locked, or deleted. This one will remain open for now. If it becomes a whine thread, it will be locked.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
You know, freedom of speech and all that stuff.

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although I LOVE the patch, he is a paying customer, he is entitled to his opinion.

Franzen
05-27-2004, 01:23 AM
ok, well enough said. The worst thing is we are hijacking a post,...not ours.

I still miss the Hawker! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Back on topic again. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

Mattiflaps
05-27-2004, 02:39 AM
Its great that the new patch has fixed many bugs. However, I have been playing it pretty intensively since it came out - for both red and blue team - and I can't help but fear that the game has become unbalanced in favour of the allies. I used to feel like I performed equally well for either side, but since AEP, and epecially since 2.01, I'm having a much harder time flying for blue. This may be partly because I liked the 109K4, which I've stopped flying because of the unresponsive elevator. May also be partly because I do better with the p51 now with the better guns. And the new spit is pretty awesome too.
Has anyone else noticed this or is it all in my imagination?

Art-J
05-27-2004, 02:58 AM
For guys saying that "all planes stall", well - orginal poster pointed a "combat flaps" thing. Take a La-7, even filled up with 100%, drop combat flaps and see what happens. Although mad yanking the stick will cause quick stalls for sure, You will also be able to enjoy "neverending sustained turn" @ about 250kph. I think THIS is what he argued about. (And yes, I do have my stick edge response set to 100% and no filtering enabled).

On the other hand I agree, that this patch, despite some issues and limitations, seems to be the best so far, at least for me...

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609IAP_Recon
05-27-2004, 04:22 AM
I agree with IceFire, the gunnery/damage is a big step in the right direction with this patch.

Salute!

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609IAP_Recon
05-27-2004, 04:24 AM
Mattiflaps - I think you is wrong.

German aircraft are fine, VVS aren't any better. There are certain ac with different characteristics and when understood and mastered, they are deadly.

Salute!

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Jetbuff
05-27-2004, 04:34 AM
If you're going to complain, complain about something worthwhile, like the still uber muzzle flashes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yeah, yeah... I know the schtick, hard to rework, yadda, yadda... it's still the only serious complaint I have against FB.

Oleg has been a darling and attended to a gazillion other things, many based on community input and more of a "wish-list" variety than bug-fixes. I say give credit where credit is due, you can't just keep asking for more... it's down-right rude IMO not to mention counterproductive to boot.

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Hawgdog
05-27-2004, 05:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>and I can't help but fear that the game has become unbalanced in favour of the allies<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow...I was just thinking the axis planes were suddenly uberesque! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Franzen
05-28-2004, 07:42 AM
Ha ha ha, and now it begins. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz Franzen

Philipscdrw
05-28-2004, 08:25 AM
The main complaint I have with AEP is that the UI is exactly the same as it was in 2001. I want to set response curves for more than 1 joystick and have a decent QMB embedded in the UI. I don't like task-switching to UQMG and I don't like knowing exactly where and when the enemy is, which is the case with the current QMB.

As for the flight models, Captain Eric H. Brown, a WW2 test pilot who flew most of FB's aircraft in real life (50-60hrs in 262s, glide tests on the Komet, ect) says that the flight models are good. Follow the link in my sig and read his article.

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