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07-22-2004, 01:36 AM
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07-22-2004, 01:36 AM
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BSS_Vidar
07-22-2004, 02:01 AM
If someone can drag a 109 into my pure version of PF while on-line, I'll loose my mind! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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UCLANUPE
07-22-2004, 02:10 AM
Don't loose your mind bro. No need to panic as the host has control just like now. The host can limit planes and set the map.

Rest assured you WILL see 109's and Yak's on carriers etc.. Can't stop anyone from putting Zero's against 109's or Yak's in AEP right now. However, it is not something to loose one's mind over. (J/K)

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p1ngu666
07-22-2004, 02:26 AM
graf zepplin and russian/italien carriers (did they have any?) would be a cool add on

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JG53Frankyboy
07-22-2004, 02:48 AM
that anouncment is realy a surprise !

about 109s and Yaks on cariers:
well, perhaps only carrierfighters will be able to set (in missioneditor) on carriers , we will see.

and im wondering if the japanes will still get the blue color as axis and the allies the red color http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

nevertheless, a very good choice for this community

Vengeanze
07-22-2004, 04:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Vidar:
If someone can drag a 109 into my pure version of PF while on-line, I'll loose my mind! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

BSS_Vidar<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stand-alone PF and Mixed PF/FB/AEP won't be compatible online.

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FA_Maddog
07-22-2004, 05:55 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by UCLANUPE:

Rest assured you WILL see 109's and Yak's on carriers etc..

With out the tail hooks this will be fun to watch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Lots of nose overs and AAAAHHHHAAAhhhhaaaaahhhh...... as they go over the side. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yellonet
07-22-2004, 06:56 AM
Not sure if this is such a good idea.. was looking forward to a new stand-alone only game. This will probably divide the community http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


- Yellonet

Hoarmurath
07-22-2004, 07:25 AM
i think that having two sims with the same engine would have split the community more surely than this arrangement.

And now, we can have carrier operation with a med plane set... cool.... Martlets for Operation Torch....

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MetalG.
07-22-2004, 09:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
Not sure if this is such a good idea.. was looking forward to a new stand-alone only game. This will probably divide the community http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


- Yellonet<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep I agree, don't find this a good idea either but I suppose they had to make a compromise somewhere.

McCallaway
07-22-2004, 09:28 AM
How will this split the community ?

The community, ie the more dedicated simmers, have AEP and will buy PF, so the community will have a big all-fronts sim to play with.

If we were to have two sims, there we would have a split between PF players and AEP players.

Where am I mistaking ?

Vengeanze
07-22-2004, 10:02 AM
Nowhere!

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fordfan25
07-22-2004, 11:28 AM
i can take it or leave it. how ever i do look forward to puting my corsair up aginst some yaks or la7s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BSS_Vidar
07-22-2004, 12:47 PM
From what I understand, their is a pure stand alone that is NOT compadible with FB/AEP.(A good thing for us purists) But, the disc will have both versions on it and both can be installed on the same hard drive. So, add PF to FB/AEP, then install the pure stand-alone. You get to choose which to fly.
If you want to take a Hellcat up against a Yak, you'll be able to do it via the FB/AEP/PF icon. If you don't want to see Yaks over Midway, start up the stand-alone PF icon. This is a great solution for all of us. Even though I wanted a pure stand alone, I will definaley try to take my 'sair up against a 190 when I feel like throwin' the history book out the window. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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MetalG.
07-22-2004, 01:54 PM
Well my main problem with this approach is that since there will be 2 different versions of PF, some people who buy only PF can not play along in IL-2AEP + PF games. It doesn't work the other way around either I believe.
I rather had seen just a stand alone PF, one version. But that's since I don't care much for 109s & Yaks over the Pacific. It would have been a 'pure' Pacific sim.
So it's not that I absolutely dislike what we're going to get now. It's still great and I'll definately buy it. It's just that I would have liked a stand alone only PF a bit better.
My initial reaction was therefore a bit exaggerated but I understand that many people will like the way it will be better, and I suppose we won't lose anything Pacific related.
So, on to the end of this year (well, hopefully http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif). Can't wait for PF!

[This message was edited by MetalG. on Thu July 22 2004 at 01:06 PM.]

Baco-ECV56
07-22-2004, 02:15 PM
No, No no... the way I see it is that PF will be the same sim, regardless of wether have or not FB/AEP. The reason PF is not compatible (on its own) with FB/AEP is that you don´t have all the planes and objects of FB/AEP. When PF is compatible with FB/AEP+PF, becouse you are not lacking any elements needed for on line games.

So There will be no splitting of the comunity.
Everyone here allready has FB/ and most probabbly AEP.

Youl get new players buyoing PF, get into the lobby, see about 30 to 100 players in the pF room.. and about 200+ in the FB/AEP+PF one..
then thei will save their well earned bucks, go to the store and get FB/AEP Gold pack...

Result: no splitting of any comunity: we will all be happy flyign what ever our hearts desire...
It would be a matter of chosing the rigth server, or coop, or campaign or whatever http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

I really don´t understand the people that see this merge a problem. Right now, you have a large variety of servers to acomodate any and all tastes, why would that change with the new PF module?

You will just have to find the apropieat server that fills your needs. As simpe as that. And if you don´t find it, host it yourself. I have a medium machine, an average conex, and I do host some interesting DF, and Coops...

This, people, is going to be awsom, just wait and see...

CdtWeasel
07-22-2004, 02:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MetalG.:
Well my main problem with this approach is that since there will be 2 different versions of PF, some people who buy only PF can not play along in IL-2AEP + PF games. It doesn't work the other way around either I believe.
I rather had seen just a stand alone PF, one version. But that's since I don't care much for 109s & Yaks over the Pacific. It would have been a 'pure' Pacific sim.
So it's not that I absolutely dislike what we're going to get now. It's still great and I'll definately buy it. It's just that I would have liked a stand alone only PF a bit better.
My initial reaction was therefore a bit exaggerated but I understand that many people will like the way it will be better, and I suppose we won't lose anything Pacific related.
So, on to the end of this year (well, hopefully http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif). Can't wait for PF!

[This message was edited by MetalG. on Thu July 22 2004 at 01:06 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

there is only one version to buy, the difference is in how you install it (and you can install it both ways). So you can have 'history and fun

BlitzPig_DDT
07-22-2004, 02:33 PM
Damn straight Baco-ECV56. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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MetalG.
07-22-2004, 02:37 PM
Yes Weasel and Baco I'm very aware of how this works. I understand that you can install both versions etc.
And as I said it's still great, it's just that I'd rather see a stand alone pacific game only.

Spectre_USA
07-22-2004, 02:40 PM
The best of both worlds and folks are complaining?
Wow, I guess I am out of touch...

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crazyivan1970
07-22-2004, 03:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
Not sure if this is such a good idea.. was looking forward to a new stand-alone only game. This will probably divide the community http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


- Yellonet<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yellownet, look around you.... all those people have AEP, most of them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif How many of them would chose pure stand alone PF install instead of pluggin it into AEP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It about uniting, not deviding mate....

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07-22-2004, 03:41 PM
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Yellonet
07-22-2004, 03:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
Not sure if this is such a good idea.. was looking forward to a new stand-alone only game. This will probably divide the community http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


- Yellonet<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yellownet, look around you.... all those people have AEP, most of them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif How many of them would chose pure stand alone PF install instead of pluggin it into AEP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It about uniting, not deviding mate....

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
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I heard something about the stand-alone and the Addon not being compatible online.. that's why I was thinking that it wasn't such a good idea.. Is it true, about compatability?


- Yellonet

crazyivan1970
07-22-2004, 03:56 PM
Yes, One options installs right into AEP BUT, this version will not be compatable with PURE stand-alone.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

VW-IceFire
07-22-2004, 03:57 PM
This is the perfect solution to not divide the community. This means that all of us, who have been saying, that if we are "forced" to migrate to PF mean that it will be more difficult for us to keep the numbers high for FB games.

This development means two things:

1) That us FB players, who have salivated over having a Pacific Theater, but would like to, without hassle, and without trouble finding people flying the compatible game, go back to Eastern Europe or Western Europe for a grand ole time with Spitfires and 109's. So in the blink of an eye, we can fly VVS Yak's against the might of the Luftwaffe, or we can go and take on the Zero's and Kate's at Midway in a Wildcat or reverse the situations and go fly for the other side.

2) It also means that aircraft that otherwise would have only been flyable in PF are now certainly in FB as well. The Beaufighter, the B-25, and other types will now be European aircraft as well. These types having seen combat everywhere. Even the Hellcat and especially the Corsair were seen on the European front (with the FAA)...in particular, Beaufighters, Mosqutios, Spitfire's, and Corsairs were involved in the strikes against the Tirpitz.

The power of variety is extremely strong with this. The only disadvantage will be people buying the new game may have a littel trouble from the start. But they can always cut their teeth on the UBI.com service and if they get more serious they could always grab the FB Gold Pack and quadruple their gameplay and join the rest of us dual game people. PLUS, this works for the publishers too because it potentially sells more FB Gold Pack (maybe they can do a special deal to get a few bucks off the puchase of both?).

There are very very few disadvantages to the community and a whole lot of power.

I'd urge the people who run servers, many of them who have caught on in recent times (great scenarios now being played out on forums), to keep the planesets realistic as possible. You will still see some free for all servers...and those are fine too, thats the power granted to us. But I'd love to see some Pacific only servers or Western Europe only or Eastern Europe only...OR...a mix of scenarios on a single server. Lots of fun possible.

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ElAurens
07-22-2004, 03:58 PM
As I understand it, if you only have PF installed you will not be able to join the PF/AEP servers online. If you have the full install you can do both.

I really do not understand the gnashing of teeth over this. There will be plenty of historically accurate servers with Pacific only planesets and vice versa. And there will be mixed planeset servers as well. Something for everyone. Just think, we will be able to recreate the Patuxant River Fighter Trials...

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Baco-ECV56
07-22-2004, 04:31 PM
What I unerstand from Olegs information is that PF alone will not be compatible with FB/AEP +PF, but it will be the other way arround.

And even if its not, 1) you can have 2 installs on serparate directories. 2) I am sure that there will be lots of Pacific onlly servers also.

I think people agginst the merge are worried that of all the posible players lots would be "distracted" from the main event (pure Pacific) given the endless posibilities we would have now.

But my take is that you should not worry at all, there will be lots of oposition/wingmans and user proyects.

Me for example, like the mereg but will fly PF scenarios onlly, becouse I love PTO, not mixmatches. I am sure that half the people that agree with the merge are in the same boat.

People that love the European T.O. would not have purchased PF nor flown it, IF there was nothing in it for them. This way, everybody will buy it. Euro onlly for the sake of having alied medium bombers aded to their FB AEP. PTO lovers well, to have exactlly that.

In the end they will all give a shot at PTO, and eventually we will have a bigger comunity dedicated to PF pure.

I just don´t see what could be wrong with this option.

Aggain don´t worry there will be no lack of oposition or activity related to pure Pacific T.O.

And Fellows: IT IS a Stand Alone, it is a separate sim. Onlly it can be used along with FB and AEP.
It is the same that Enemy Engaged did. Two separate sims that can interact.

Aggain, I do belive that FB/AEP+PF will be compatible with stand alone PF but not the other way arround. They have one sim, that installs in different ways in your HD, and I don´t belive they had built two diferent MP engines or diferent features for each install version... The compatibility issue must have to do with objects and features present in FB and AEP, NOT PF. (just logic, I have no hard data on this of course since I am not part of the Dev. team)

The separate installs are there so that it is not REQUIRED to have FB and AEP. NAd by includin every feature and plane and map of FB/AEP in PF they would miss the extra sales on FB and AEP. It is just a comercial move. Instead of sellig the three games for the price of one, if you want to fly every posibilitiy, you need to buy the two sims and AEP.

Poeple it is based on the same engine, it always was. There was not going to be mayor changes in that respect in PF.

If it had been a non compatible sim, it would have been a lost for UBI and 1C in that people not wanting a PTO sim would not buy it, and for us who allready have FB and AEP, not having the new planes and features in them.

I don´t see how a stand alone onlly PF would have been better for anyone...

Freycinet
07-22-2004, 04:35 PM
(To Oleg Maddox in his thread: )

I was totally sure that this couldn't be done. I stand corrected.

Then again: with the impossibly good sim you've given us, I guess the impossible was only to be expected... - once again.

If that counts as a brown-nose remark, well, then colour my nose brown.

Too bad you're opening up a Pandora's box of future whining from all sorts of ingrates, but that won't change ever, I guess.

Please take some time off to be with your kid and thanks a million.

Freycinet
07-22-2004, 04:39 PM
...BTW; I guess the art of landing and coming to a quick stop by shedding the landing gear will become a new art form with AEP-planes in PF...

heywooood
07-22-2004, 05:30 PM
Oleg and co... thank you again for listening to this rag tag illgotten motley crew of a community.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif that doesn't allways appreciate fully the effort you and your people have put forward. For your time and for your commitment to us - I thank you again.

I hope you will enjoy your rest that you have earned when you are finally able to take it.



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07-22-2004, 07:53 PM
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tagTaken2
07-22-2004, 11:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:

Yellownet, look around you.... all those people have AEP, most of them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif How many of them would chose pure stand alone PF install instead of pluggin it into AEP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It about uniting, not deviding mate....

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Hell, I'm going to. I prefer to think of it as a game, so it kills the immersion factor for me with multiple theatre options. But I don't fly online, either.

CowboyTodd41
07-23-2004, 01:37 AM
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Yellonet
07-23-2004, 03:02 AM
I still havn't gotten a real clue as how it is going to work.

Can someone who has stand-alone PF play against/with someone who has addon PF?

With the PF stuff of course.


- Yellonet

ElAurens
07-23-2004, 05:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
I still havn't gotten a real clue as how it is going to work.

Can someone who has _stand-alone_ PF play against/with someone who has _addon_ PF?

With the PF stuff of course.


- Yellonet<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not as I understand it yellonet. The stand alone players will be on their own.

Sad.

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Copperhead310th
07-23-2004, 05:23 AM
doesnt matter. we're still gonna see 109's taking off from the freaking Enterprise.
190's over the Luzon...
me-262's over midway. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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ElAurens
07-23-2004, 05:30 AM
Copperhead, the only way you will see those things is, (a) If you allow them in your server, or (b) If you join a server that allows that. I know that you will do neither of these things, so what is the problem?

Or are you saying that you don't want someone else who paid his own money to enjoy this title in the manner that he sees fit?

Help me out here.

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Vengeanze
07-23-2004, 06:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
I still havn't gotten a real clue as how it is going to work.

Can someone who has _stand-alone_ PF play against/with someone who has _addon_ PF?

With the PF stuff of course.


- Yellonet<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oleg talkts about compability between dedicated servers.
There will be a DS for PF and one for PF/AEP.

...so then...

Someone with PF can join only PF servers.
Someone with PF/AEP can join both PF and PF/AEP servers.

So a player with PF can theoretically play with another player with PF/AEP but ONLY on a PF server.

And that should solve Copperheads problem too as a PF server won't allow any AEP-planes by design.

That's how I read it. But don't take my word for it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif



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WUAF_Badsight
07-23-2004, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
doesnt matter. we're still gonna see 109's taking off from the freaking Enterprise.
190's over the Luzon...
me-262's over midway. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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aww listen to him .....

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VW-IceFire
07-23-2004, 07:38 AM
As he said it...it'll work like this.

If you have Forgotten Battles/AEP installed then when you install Pacific Fighters...it installs ontop of Forgotten Battles giving you a hybrid of both.

If you buy Pacific Fighters and don't have the other then you just have Pacific Fighters.

Cooperhead...that sort of situation would only exist on unrealistic coop or dogfight scenarios. Frankly the 109 on the Enterprise would be a problem...takeoff and landing it would not be able to do very well.

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Vengeanze
07-23-2004, 07:48 AM
And to add to the confusion; u can have two installs on one harddrive if u want, i.e. one PF installation and one PF/AEP installation residing simultaniously on the same partition.

/Ven
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Vengeanze
07-23-2004, 07:50 AM
Plz let me introduce Kent and Barb CHERRY:

http://www.safy.org/safy/f-files/Kent%20and%20Barb%20Cherry.jpg

/Ven
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BSS_Vidar
07-23-2004, 12:55 PM
Wow!
I can't believe some still don't undestand what we're getting. Some say it just short of the whole fact that some don't receive the message.

- PF comes with one disc in one box.
- PF has two version on same disc.
- PF installs over FB/AEP, making FB/AEP/PF.
- PF also installs as PF stand-alone accessable on same hard drive.

*PF missions builds are the only thing in the PF stand alone version that can go into the FB/AEP/PF version... Not vice-versa.

*Two types of servers on-line:
1. Pure PF servers: There's no way FB/AEP planesets can fly there.

2. FB/AEP/PF servers: You get everything from both worlds.

I was oppossed to an add-on because I consider myself more of a re-enactor than a gamer. But, with this new development, I think it's kewel to have the OPTION to through the hisory book away once in a blue moon and just play a game.
I will be on Pure PF servers mostly, but I'll take my Corsair up against a 109 or 190 on a FB/AEP/PF server now-n-then.

S!

BSS_Vidar

VW-IceFire
07-23-2004, 01:04 PM
Vidar, that wouldn't even be unrealistic. The Corsair I believe has met the FW190 in combat. The Fleet Air Arm used Corsairs in Western Europe.

Hellcats also met FW190's over France and I believe were credited with shooting two down with no losses.

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BSS_Vidar
07-23-2004, 02:49 PM
True, VW-Icefire, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
The Brits have full credit for bringing the "Bent-wing-warrior" to a new life. I wasn't sure of any Hellcat involvement in the ETO. Thnx 4 the info.

S!

BSS_Vidar

Yellonet
07-23-2004, 02:57 PM
Was a bit negative to the whole addon idea at first, but now I have realized that FB will live on inside PF in a way. Perhaps will there even be more patches/addons for FB now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif FB and PF will coexist in the wonderfull wonderfull future http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


- Yellonet

SKULLS Virga
07-23-2004, 03:20 PM
Ven are Kent and Barb Cherry your parents? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
07-23-2004, 04:50 PM
Yellownet:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>now I have realized that FB will live on inside PF...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
FB has been assimilated. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I can't wait to re~enact I~16s against Ki~27...although Ki may be AI only at least at first. But we really need earlier I~16s and I~152s.

Copperhead310th
07-23-2004, 05:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElAurens:
Copperhead, the only way you will see those things is, (a) If you allow them in your server, or (b) If you join a server that allows that. I know that you will do neither of these things, so what is the problem?

Or are you saying that you don't want someone else who paid _his own money_ to enjoy this title in the manner that he sees fit?

Help me out here.

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Well no El i wouldn't attmpt to do that.
but you will see Most if not ALL DF servers on HL filled with cross theater plane sets. Be Sure. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif
while you're absolutely correct that any of our servers (weather it be the 310th dedicated or the 380th dedicated) will be pretty much PTO only...from time to time i like to fly on other server. ES (eagle squadron has a good one) War Clouds is another. Bogeys.... and a few others just to fly agianst other ppl outside of the ones i see day in and day out. I'm not knocking the idea of cross compatabilty....this in the end will be for the best IMO. but....i just had my heart set on a pto only sim. after 2 years on the eastern front..and 1 on the western...i was really looking forward to a change. something new...something compleatly differant. somthing with a little less advantage for the axis guys.
i'm just airing on the side of historical corrctness which has been a mainstay for this sim since it 1st hit the shelvs. and i was hoping that this would contenuie on into PF.
like i said i'm not against cross compatbilty between FB/AEP & PF....i'm just wanting the sim to stay true to one of it's primary principles set by Oleg....Historical Correctness.
that's pretty much my 2 cents on it. i'm not against it...but i wont make up my mind about the whole thing untill the disk is in the drive.

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TonyPiech
07-23-2004, 06:04 PM
I'd don't have FB, was just planning to get PF. But I may purchase FB and PF, then dowload AEP and play FB-AEP with PF. My question, will it be possible to fly off-line from the European theater to the Pacific theater in one plane. Will the geographical map allow movement from one venue to the other and visa/versa, e.g., stopping at various airfields to refuel and continue-on?

LEXX_Luthor
07-23-2004, 07:23 PM
Yes...and no.

Everything you said will be possible, except for the flying from one map to another after refueling. You never could jump maps in a single gaming session, and you never could refuel or re~arm. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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VF-2_John_Banks
07-25-2004, 04:13 AM
The problem with this solution is, that most people will install PF into FB/AEP, with the result, that we will get indeed mixed PF servers. During the last couple of months, most pure pacific severs dissapeared completely, which is sad. When PF comes out, most hosts will mix it either with European maps or put Euro planes into pacific maps. I really fear, that the majority of PF servers are going to be nonhistoric PF games.
Most FB/AEP servers are nonhistoric as well, cause most hosts are only fun fliers.

A pure stand alone solution (for everybody) would have made it much easier for us purists. I also believe that most PF games will be in the old FB lobby and not in a future PF one.

ElAurens
07-25-2004, 09:35 AM
Mr. Banks...

Why do you say there will be no pure PTO servers? Of course there will be, along with mixed ones.

Sometimes I feel you guys just need something to complain about. I too like historical accuracy, but I have never, never seen a server with it, even in the old IL2 days. Why? Because people will always include the ringer aircraft, always. Hence all the servers with Bf109 G2s filling the skies at 1 second after midnight 1942.

It will be no different in PF, even in PF only servers. The sky will be filled with F6F-5s and Goodyear Corsairs. You will never find F4Fs, Buffalos, P36s, or any other early Allied aircraft.

Be sure.

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heywooood
07-25-2004, 09:41 AM
Well - my understanding is that there are early war servers...not necessarily DF servers though... again the presumption that all online simming is DF only....why is that?

There will be PTO only, and there will be early PTO servers...but they will likely be
CO-OP servers...you will likely need to join a squadron but it would be worth it if you are so concerned about plane-sets and historical accuracy.



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MetalG.
07-25-2004, 09:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElAurens:
It will be no different in PF, even in PF only servers. The sky will be filled with F6F-5s and Goodyear Corsairs. You will never find F4Fs, Buffalos, P36s, or any other early Allied aircraft.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, you can bet the missions I'm going to make will be historically correct planeset wise that is.
I especially like the early war aircraft of both sides, where you really have to think, work together and be lucky as well to survive and get some kills since most aicraft are still quite close to each other in performance. I don't enjoy all that late war 1944/1945 superboosted extra upgraded huge cannon stuff. Well, maybe occasionally but I'll stick with the pre 1944 games most of the time (This goes for Allied and Axis aicraft btw).
The invasion of the Dutch east Indies, the Battle of the Coral Sea and the fighting for Guadalcanal are on top of my 'missions to create' list.
I really really dislike missions where you can have all aircraft on both sides, and I'm especially going to dislike mixed Pacific/Europe/Russian planesets when we get PF. But, I'll just not join those and stick to the realistic and historic games.
So look my games up if you feel like early war (cr@p? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) planes once we get PF.

Yellonet
07-25-2004, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MetalG.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElAurens:
It will be no different in PF, even in PF only servers. The sky will be filled with F6F-5s and Goodyear Corsairs. You will never find F4Fs, Buffalos, P36s, or any other early Allied aircraft.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, you can bet the missions I'm going to make will be historically correct planeset wise that is.
I especially like the early war aircraft of both sides, where you really have to think, work together and be lucky as well to survive and get some kills since most aicraft are still quite close to each other in performance. I don't enjoy all that late war 1944/1945 superboosted extra upgraded huge cannon stuff. Well, maybe occasionally but I'll stick with the pre 1944 games most of the time (This goes for Allied and Axis aicraft btw).
The invasion of the Dutch east Indies, the Battle of the Coral Sea and the fighting for Guadalcanal are on top of my 'missions to create' list.
I really really dislike missions where you can have all aircraft on both sides, and I'm especially going to dislike mixed Pacific/Europe/Russian planesets when we get PF. But, I'll just not join those and stick to the realistic and historic games.
So look my games up if you feel like early war (cr@p? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) planes once we get PF.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You, Sir, are apparently a nice guy, because you seem to like what I like http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm surely going to visit your server(?) once we get PF http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


- Yellonet

VF-2_John_Banks
07-25-2004, 10:46 AM
I never said there wont. I said there wont be as many due to the possibillity to mix the Pacific with the Euro stuff.

VF-2_John_Banks
07-25-2004, 10:48 AM
MetalG, i love you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Vengeanze
07-25-2004, 11:08 AM
Same thing here as in RL - supply and demand.
If most peeps wanna fly UFO-servers then there will be alot of em.

Having the options is great and I thank Oleg for that.
Peeps like JB who wanna force everyone to fly his way are so gay.
Instead of a history dictature lets enlighten the UFO-kids of the thrill and immersion of flying history-servers.
DUH! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

/Ven
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Sweetiecakes
07-25-2004, 11:21 AM
I think that guy is right. There is a vocal minority here that will argue and complain about the sky being blue. What did you say, its not blue? Piff.

No limpeys please

MetalG.
07-25-2004, 01:45 PM
You guys are more than welcome to join my games http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
That is ofcourse, as soon as I get my itching fingers on Pacific Fighters and a new PC... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

Vengeanze
07-25-2004, 05:39 PM
Who are you??


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/Ven
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MetalG.
07-26-2004, 07:11 AM
Oh nothing more than another target Ven http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And who may you be besides another V.I.P? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

kikka-01
07-26-2004, 10:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vengeanze:
...
Peeps like JB who wanna force everyone to fly his way are so gay.
...
/Ven
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Ven, I'm not a mod (and don't want to step on their turf, but...From the standards of conduct:
you will violate the Terms of Use if you in Ubi's sole discretion (or others using your Account) do any of the following:
...
Post content or send Communications of any form impugning someone's race, sexual orientation, religion, national origin, political beliefs, or ethnic heritage.
...
Know what you meant, bet you really weren't trying to offend in that manner, 'cuz your posts are otherwise great (hey, I read them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) Just FYI.

The ultimate responsibility of the pilot is to fulfill the dreams of the countless millions of earthbound ancestors who could only stare skyward... and wish.

Vengeanze
07-26-2004, 12:33 PM
Impugning?
Kewl word. Never seen it nor heard it before.

After looking it up I have to disagree with you regarding my claimed ToU violation.
I have no idea of JB's sexual orientation so I couldn't have impugn it(him?) even if I wanted to.
Which I didn't cause I used the word in it's old meaning i.e. rash/loose-living/thoughtless.

(anyone bought that?) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

/Ven
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Vengeanze
07-26-2004, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MetalG.:
Oh nothing more than another target Ven http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Still a flying meatball, huh!?
If u ever change your mind and wanna spend some qualitytime in close quarters with a bunch of sweaty, greasy men just call me.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif &lt;--- sweaty and greasy men.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MetalG.:
And who may you be besides another V.I.P? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey, I'm proud of being a vip on these boards. It's truly an accomplishment!!
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/Ven
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VF-2_John_Banks
07-26-2004, 12:42 PM
Don't feed the trolls kikka. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif He is not worth your reply.

MetalG.
07-27-2004, 01:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vengeanze:
Still a flying meatball, huh!?
If u ever change your mind and wanna spend some qualitytime in close quarters with a bunch of sweaty, greasy men just call me.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif &lt;--- sweaty and greasy men.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like you guys haven't changed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
But whats up with that new flying helmet of yours? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

Anyway will be fun flying against (I guess huh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) you in Pacific Fighters!