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FondueUSA
05-09-2004, 09:25 PM
Any advice on how to use this effectivly. There is no avaliable advice I have seen on the net so far. My biggest question is they gyro rectical. How can I use it to so called "snipe"? Any help would be welcomed thanks.

FondueUSA
05-09-2004, 09:25 PM
Any advice on how to use this effectivly. There is no avaliable advice I have seen on the net so far. My biggest question is they gyro rectical. How can I use it to so called "snipe"? Any help would be welcomed thanks.

LeadSpitter_
05-09-2004, 09:54 PM
it suppost to work so you dont have to lead them at close range, even close range you still have to lead. I find it useless and the stock site works better then the other mode

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LEXX_Luthor
05-09-2004, 10:13 PM
Always get a second opinion. Bearcat will be along shortly when he sees this thread title. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I've never tried this gunsight myself.

Shifty101
05-09-2004, 10:16 PM
Read the readme that is on the AEP CD. It explains how to use it as well as the V1, Mistel and other items in AEP. A quick rundown on the sight as I have found it useful.

Turn it on, set the plane set to the plane you are engaging, increase/decrease site range as desired, put the enemy in the piper so the wings touch the inside of the ring (inside I think, might be outside, but it really makes little difference I would think) and fire.

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Agamemnon22
05-09-2004, 10:20 PM
The way I use it (don't know if it's right or what, but it works).

Set it to whatever is closest to the aircraft type you're engaging (bf-109, fw-190.. etc). You should have an idea of how big these planes are at your favorite engagement range (ideally this is also your convergence range). Since the game doesn't tell you what distance the sight is set to, there's no way to tune this precisely, but in an ideal situation your gunsight distance = your convergence.
Finally, when the enemy is at such a distance that his wingspan falls exactly within the gyro reticle, put the pipper over him and fire. If you're at convergence range that's as close to sniping as you're going to get.
If you get closer to him than your gunsight distance (i.e. he's bigger than the reticle on your screen) lead less, if he's farther lead more.

You have to keep in mind though that this sight will not solve deflection for you. It just gives you a bullet flightpath prediction. So unless you're at the enemy's dead 6 and he's not jinking, you still have to lead him relative to the gyro reticle depending on his flight path.

BS87
05-09-2004, 11:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FondueUSA:
Advice on P51D-20NA Gunsight<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont use it.

Locust_
05-09-2004, 11:47 PM
K-14 gunsight

Use the Toggle Sight Mode Auto
button to switch gunsight mode. Use the Adjust Sight Control to Right and Adjust Sight Control to Left buttons to select the target aircraft type.

Use the Increase Sight Distance and Decrease Sight Distance buttons to adjust the sight circle for the target aircraft. to fit in it.

Track the target aircraft for at least 2 seconds to maintain correct lead.

[This message was edited by Locust_ on Sun May 09 2004 at 10:57 PM.]

WOLFMondo
05-10-2004, 04:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BS87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FondueUSA:
Advice on P51D-20NA Gunsight<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont use it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? It works a treat.

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frior-one
05-10-2004, 08:52 AM
is this aep only or is it hidden in fb. if so how do i get it ?
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Chuck_Older
05-10-2004, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FondueUSA:
Any advice on how to use this effectivly. There is no avaliable advice I have seen on the net so far. My biggest question is they gyro rectical. How can I use it to so called "snipe"? Any help would be welcomed thanks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You should have done a search under "K-14 gunsight", on this forum. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(I must disagree with you, Leadspitter, the K-14 works just as advertised if you set it up correctly and your convergence is set properly.)

Fior, there is no "hidden" features in FB. The P-51D-20NA is flyable in AEP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here's a post of mine from another thread about the K-14:
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K-14 use and basic theory:

once you turn the sight to "gyro+fixed" or "gyro only":

First, note a couple of things:

1) that you now have a 'pipper' of yellow diamonds on the gunsight recticle. This is your gyro sight feature
2) that around the edge of the gunsight housing there is a list of aircraft
3) you must define keys to adjust the gunsight pipper and aircraft selected.


The selection of aircraft is not absolute. It is a list of common targets. For example, if you are firing at a Me 323, there is no "Me 323" listed. In this case, all you have to bear in mind is that all these presets do is resize the pipper to correspond to the wingspread of the aircraft selected, at the range you have selected on the gunsight. Note that changing gunsight range does not change convergence.

So, in the case of the Me 323, you would select "FW200". Why?

Because the pipper doesn't care what the aircraft is. All it does is show you 'correct' range, by the size of the pipper. You also do not (and almost never will really know exactly without icons 'on') need to "dial in" a range. All you need worry about is size, and matching visual wingspans through the sight to pipper size. That's it.

The cardinal rule of the K-14 gyro gunsight is this: When the enemy aircraft is approximately of the same wingspan as the one selected on the sight, and the target's wings go from one edge of the pipper to the other, the target is at the range the gunsight is set to.

Resetting the range on the sight simply expands or contracts the pipper.

Bear in mind that all you can do is resize the pipper, regardless of selecting aircraft, or range.

Example:

You are fighting a Bf109. Your convergence has been set to 200m.

Turn the sight on to 'fixed+gyro'. Select 'Bf109' on the sight. The pipper should be initially set at a 'default' of approximately 150m, if I recall correctly. Your convergence is a bit further, what do you do? Bump up the range on the pipper a little bit. Get into firing position. Allow the sight a second or two to stabilize. Place the dot of the pipper on the enemy when it's wings are framed by the pipper diamonds. When the wings touch each side, you are at the range the sight is set to, in our example this is approximately 175-200m (since we manually adjusted the range out a little bit)

If the sight is stabilized [takes about 2 seconds], the target is framed properly, and the convergence corresponds to the range well enough, when you press the trigger when the pipper dot is on the enemy, you will get hits.

The 'fixed+gyro' feature is great becasue sometimes you don't have two seconds to wait for the sight to settle down. But you can still use the fixed sight as a reference.

It is also worth remembering that the goal is not to continually change range settings on the sight. That is extremely difficult and not worth the effort. Set it to convergence range and leave it, as in the example above. Now let's say you shoot down that Bf109 and there's a FW190 nearby. All you do is select "FW190" on the gunsight, and the pipper is now sized for the FW190's wingspan, at the range you have already selected before- that won't change just because you selected a new aircraft type.

If keeping the enemy in your sights long enough is a problem, I suggest practising more precise rudder control.

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Bearcat99
05-10-2004, 10:31 AM
What can I say except that it works.... as stated above.. quite nicely in fact..but convergence is key. I have mine set to 200... makes a lot of difference in accuracy with the 50s. I find that using the K-14 I can pop a few rounds into and engine now. After a while you will get used to where the pipper is on some deflection shots and it will make it easier to judge where to shoot without it. Remember to set the toggle gunsight, &gt; & &lt; distance, and plane select. One cool thing about it is when you use it in the cockpit you can see the knob in the upper left hand corner move as you switch between sights... just like on the real ones.

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gates123
05-10-2004, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
it suppost to work so you dont have to lead them at close range, even close range you still have to lead. I find it useless and the stock site works better then the other mode

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah I have better luck with it turned off, It ruins my aim and I don't bother with it anymore

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Chuck_Older
05-10-2004, 12:46 PM
The sight will never manuever your airplane into the best firing position. I think that sometimes the K-14 is expected to live up to the hype and it just can't.

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Maple_Tiger
05-10-2004, 02:10 PM
I find it kind of usless.

Alot of the time you only have a second or to to fire anyway lol.

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VW-IceFire
05-10-2004, 02:15 PM
Haha same as in the actual war. Some pilots specifically requested that the gyro sights not be put into their planes. They prefered to lead on their own...

I use it sometimes and turn it off other times. You need to set all the keys to turn it off and select wingspan...

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