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JG7_Rall
03-16-2004, 03:48 PM
S!

The flight sim community as a whole is a very diverse place, although we all enjoy flying for what it is-flying. Some like jets, some like props, and I consider myself to be part of the latter group. Jets used to annoy me, not in IL2, but in LOMAC. I always swore that I would only fly WWII planes in FB/AEP so I could capture the feel of my favorite period in history-the air war during WWII.

But, last night, while watching television, I saw a program on the Korean War on the History Channel-specifically the air war during the time period. *yawn* I thought to myself, I've seen it all before, but there's nothing else on, so I might as well watch it.

But as I continued to watch, the descriptions of MiG vs Sabre dogfights and the live reenactments fascinated me. So my real question is will Oleg ever, ever make a Korean war sim? I know he's working on other projects now, but has anyone heard anything about a possible Korean sim? I know of games like MiG alley (which I've never played) so should I look into this to quench my thirst for Jet dogfights (still using guns-don't like missles much :P) until Oleg maybe, just maybe makes a Korean sim?

Thanks for your time, let me know if you feel the same way about this!

And to wet your appetites...

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/SNATCH_A_SABRE.jpg

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JG7_Rall
03-16-2004, 03:48 PM
S!

The flight sim community as a whole is a very diverse place, although we all enjoy flying for what it is-flying. Some like jets, some like props, and I consider myself to be part of the latter group. Jets used to annoy me, not in IL2, but in LOMAC. I always swore that I would only fly WWII planes in FB/AEP so I could capture the feel of my favorite period in history-the air war during WWII.

But, last night, while watching television, I saw a program on the Korean War on the History Channel-specifically the air war during the time period. *yawn* I thought to myself, I've seen it all before, but there's nothing else on, so I might as well watch it.

But as I continued to watch, the descriptions of MiG vs Sabre dogfights and the live reenactments fascinated me. So my real question is will Oleg ever, ever make a Korean war sim? I know he's working on other projects now, but has anyone heard anything about a possible Korean sim? I know of games like MiG alley (which I've never played) so should I look into this to quench my thirst for Jet dogfights (still using guns-don't like missles much :P) until Oleg maybe, just maybe makes a Korean sim?

Thanks for your time, let me know if you feel the same way about this!

And to wet your appetites...

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/SNATCH_A_SABRE.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/sig.jpg

JG7_Rall
03-16-2004, 03:48 PM
nt

arcadeace
03-16-2004, 04:01 PM
He's never talked of any plans. If more jets are included you might see some fun missions. Maybe online play too.

Every once in a while I'll play my Mig Alley, it was out in '99. Its quite a challenge.

UncleVanya2001
03-16-2004, 04:11 PM
I think the closest you're going to get is creating Korean War type missions in Il 2...

I bought Mig Alley a few months ago (from the 9 dollar bargain bin) & couldn't play it the graphics were so goldurn UGLY!

There are some good Korean War Add-ons for CFS2...

As for Lock On: I've been trying desperately since it's release to make it FUN...but have failed. I go into quick mission builder & fill it full of planes, then start flying & firing missles & dodging & most of the time I can't even SEE my oponents (hate lables & padlock & such) but then after awhile I realize there's no more rockets being fired at my a$$ so I level out & look around & sure enough the badguys are gone...and I KNOW FOR A FACT i don't know **** about Modern Jet Combat...but they ALWAYS end up that way...

I like to turn & manuever & get that enemy right in my windscreen before opening up & blowing him to bits.

Oh well...

:P

MetalG.
03-16-2004, 04:12 PM
Yep Rall such a sim would be great.
I don't like LOMAC much myself, because I also prefer WWII prop aircraft, but those early jets over Kora would be very very interesting.

DeerHunterUK
03-16-2004, 04:48 PM
You could always try Strike Fighters Project 1.It's got plenty of early jets in there, including the MiG 15 and F-86 Sabre (my fav being the Aussie CAC Sabre with the Avon engine and Aden cannon) with several variants of both. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
You can find a complete of add-on aircraft here;
http://www.sfmods.com/forum
choose 'Modifications From The Community' and then 'ERIC2020's Resource References'.
Hope this helps.

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Mitlov47
03-16-2004, 04:59 PM
I don't think the critical distinction to be made is "jets versus props"--I think the critical distinction is "unguided munitions versus homing missiles." So long as your aircraft's main armament consists of guns pointed forward, dogfighting is going to be a critical part of the flight sim, and the flight sim will be fun. This is true from WWI straight through the Korean War. However, once missiles enter the fray, air-to-air combat focuses much more on managing electronics and much less on seat-of-the-pants flying. And the fun factor plummets.

That's why a Korean War sim would have more in common with a WWII sim than it would have in common with a modern flight sim. Because people were still relying on guns, so they still had to dogfight.

By the way, the History Channel rules--especially their "Fire and Ice: the History of the Korean War" documentary. My great-uncle fought in Korea, and it's nice to know that not everyone has forgotten about that one little "police action" halfway between WWII and Vietnam.

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Helonwhls87
03-16-2004, 05:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UncleVanya2001:

There are some good Korean War Add-ons for CFS2...

:P<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rgr that and they are free too.
Sure Cfs2 is a few years old but for carrier landings and korea/vietnam scenarios it still has some life left in it.

SlickStick
03-16-2004, 07:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
I don't think the critical distinction to be made is "jets versus props"--I think the critical distinction is "unguided munitions versus homing missiles." So long as your aircraft's main armament consists of guns pointed forward, dogfighting is going to be a critical part of the flight sim, and the flight sim will be fun. This is true from WWI straight through the Korean War. However, once missiles enter the fray, air-to-air combat focuses much more on managing electronics and much less on seat-of-the-pants flying. And the fun factor plummets.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well posted. The dogfighting aspect of the Korean war would be great!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

We'd get the very design crest of prop-driven aircraft and the early jets with dogfighting the main way to bring down bandits.

Oh my....I'd pay aplenty for an Oleg Korean Sim.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SlickStick
03-16-2004, 07:12 PM
Korean War Sim that is. Darn, still can't edit posts and now can't delete them either.

DOH! (_8(o)

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WUAF_Badsight
03-16-2004, 08:35 PM
ah yes the Korean conflict

over & over i have said this .....

the ULTIMATE COMBAT FLIGHT SIMULATOR would be a KOREAN SIM

by far

awesome scenery

awesome plane selection

varied mission campaign choices

& the MOST AWESOME prop planes to ever fight

+ the classic DF Jets

it would be the fastest most awesome combat sim bar none

Corsair
Sea Fury
Yak 9U (w/ three 20mm)
LA-9
carriers

+ many , many more

Vladimir_No2
03-16-2004, 09:32 PM
Targetware has a korean mod called "Target Korea."

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SlickStick
03-16-2004, 09:34 PM
Yes, but we want Oleg's Korean War Flight Sim.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Luftwaffe_109
03-16-2004, 10:19 PM
Bump for a Korean Air War Sim

Breeze147
03-17-2004, 06:34 AM
Flying the F-86 Sabre would be a rush. Get into a Mig-15 just to see what it could do. Carrier ops with Panthers. A-1E's for CAS missions. Corsairs were still very much being used. B-29's!

I still have about 2-3 years of flying to catch up to you guys but a MADDOX produced Korean sim would be something cool to look forward to.

And someday, the ultimate, for me anyway, some Vietnam air combat with my personal all time favorite airplane, the F-4 Phantom. The F-105 Thud, F-100 Super Sabres, A-6 Intruders, Mig-21's (? not sure if that's right), that little bug of a ground support plane the USAF used and whose name escapes me right now, and yes, still were flying the A1-E's. Imagine going and flying FAC missions? That would be so cool!

Thanks for indulging me. Got a little carried away. I was in the USAF from the ages of 17-21 and I get a little nostalgic sometimes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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Cossack_UA
03-17-2004, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
I don't think the critical distinction to be made is "jets versus props"--I think the critical distinction is "unguided munitions versus homing missiles." So long as your aircraft's main armament consists of guns pointed forward, dogfighting is going to be a critical part of the flight sim, and the flight sim will be fun. This is true from WWI straight through the Korean War. However, once missiles enter the fray, air-to-air combat focuses much more on managing electronics and much less on seat-of-the-pants flying. And the fun factor plummets.

That's why a Korean War sim would have more in common with a WWII sim than it would have in common with a modern flight sim. Because people were still relying on guns, so they still had to dogfight.

By the way, the History Channel rules--especially their "Fire and Ice: the History of the Korean War" documentary. My great-uncle fought in Korea, and it's nice to know that not everyone has forgotten about that one little "police action" halfway between WWII and Vietnam.

---------------------------

(aka Mitlov on HyperLobby and Ubi)

P-38J -- "A Sorta Fairytale"
P-63C -- "Jackie's Strength"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I suggest you fly a dogfight in Lockon agains a human say you in F15 vs SU27 (or vice versa) and try just "manage electronics". You'll be in flames in no time if you cannot fly. Morden missles are easily fulled by a skilled pilot.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-17-2004, 06:58 AM
I've said it before too. Whether it's using the FB engine or the "new" BoB engine, I'd like to see all aspects and theaters produced/modeled.

For obvious reasons, it's unrealistic to want or expect them to be done closely together, but I'd like to see Oleg put his signature "attention to detail" on a WWI sim and a Korean sim with all major theaters in WWII done as well.

We're already on the road to covering the WWII aspect (with the Pacific under dev and a possible Med map or two) so, the WWI and Korean would make Oleg your One-stop-shop for the pre-modern flight-sim enthusiast.



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Snow_Wolf_
03-17-2004, 07:41 AM
won't mind having a korean one then move right into Vietnam would be nice.

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