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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:37 AM
Hey I was wanting to write my own missions for FB based around the battle of Stalingrad but although I know lots about the ground war I've found out very little about the air war.

The sort of things I'm looking for are the squadrons and aircraft types used in the theatre and what airfields they were based at and when they flew.

The little I do is that the Germans used Gumrak airfield (for transport aircraft? JU-52's?) and that 586IAP flew Yak 1B's but I don't know from where or when.

Any info is gratefully received! Thank You.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:37 AM
Hey I was wanting to write my own missions for FB based around the battle of Stalingrad but although I know lots about the ground war I've found out very little about the air war.

The sort of things I'm looking for are the squadrons and aircraft types used in the theatre and what airfields they were based at and when they flew.

The little I do is that the Germans used Gumrak airfield (for transport aircraft? JU-52's?) and that 586IAP flew Yak 1B's but I don't know from where or when.

Any info is gratefully received! Thank You.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 11:03 AM
I am just reading Beavor's Stalingrad - a readable book.

You will probably find that the Germans used Gumrak, Pitomnik, Kletskaya, Taganrog and many other airbases. I do know that the Kletskaya base was an air supply base, with Ju-88s flying into Stalingrad. I believe Richthofen's Ju-87s used Pitomnik at some stage. Yaks were a constant problem to the Luftwaffe at Stalingrad. Air supply missions were a major component of German air effort, especially in the latter stages of the siege when the airlift was the sole source of supply for 6 Army stuck in the Kessel.

Having said that, and I hope I haven't made too many mistakes, it always amazes me the depth of knowledge possessed by so many FB forum readers. No doubt they will completely eclipse my information above!

Cheers,
4Shades

michapma
07-08-2003, 12:11 PM
It may or may not have what you are looking for, or you may find useful links there:

http://www.stalingrad-info.com/index.htm

Regards,
Mike

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 02:16 PM
A french magazine published a few months ago a list of the various units engaged and their aircraft types and numerical strength in a twin-issues report on the Stalingrad air battle. Are you interrested in those numbers ?

If so, I'll post them on this thread with the info they gave about the airfields or particularly succesful pilots.

BTW, the next volume of BC/RS should give a detailed account of the air actions over Stalingrad (I'm really eager to get this one, and I think I'm not alone) but we'll have to wait it until probably the end of 2003.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 02:23 PM
I used these sites when I researched Stalingrad for missions:

http://www.stalingrad.com.ru/
http://www.stalingrad-info.com/
http://www.stalingrad.by.ru/main1.html
http://users.pandora.be/stalingrad/ - this last one has a lot of stuff about the airlift -

and this is useful for locating Luftwaffe squadrons at any time during the war:

http://www.ww2.dk/

I also read 'Stalingrad' by Beevor and, very helpful, 'The Luftwaffe War Diaries' by Cajus Bekker.

Cheers!




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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 02:24 PM
From reading Hermann Graf book "Oberst Hermann Graf: 200 Luftsiege in 13 Monaten. Ein Jagdfliegerleben" as well as reading "Stuka-Pilot Hans-Ulrich Rudel: His Life Story in Words in Photographs" I know that both guys fought over Stalingrad

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 02:49 PM
Another well researched source of general info (not air campaign specific) is "Ennemy at the Gates" which details how the LW was unable to get the 600 tons/day of necessary food, ammunition and materials to the 6th Army. The supply efforts were hampered primarily by the weather, and later, by the VVS air dominance.

The author vividly depicts the misery and desperation of German troops fighting with each other to get places on the Ju-52 and He-111 leaving the pocket. The book suggests that the primary airbase in the pocket was Pitomnik, describing Gumrak as a smaller airfield.

It's a good read.

Anyhoo. not exactly what you're looking for /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
CG

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:56 PM
Thanks for the links. Yeah! William Craig's Enemy at the Gates is a Haunting read. Best written text since Joe Haldeman's FOREVER WAR science fiction.

btw, I pick up some bizzare ideas from Admiral Kuznetov's memoirs here...

---> http://admiral.centro.ru/memor00.htm

-- So-called ambush airfields were most effectively
-- employed by Soviet fighters to protect the river vessels
-- against Luftwaffe attacks.

That is buried here, in the bottom of the "Stalingrad" chapter link, and would make good use of modelling ground crew re~fueling and re~arming for FB.


---> Though monitors were armed with powerful ordnance, they were not employed as frequently as the 76-mm turret guns and heavy machine guns of the armoured boats. They were designed for use at a close distance from the bank. The operations conducted on rivers required such "river tanks", i.e. small but highly mobile craft capable of engaging tanks on the bank and standing up to their fire. Armoured boats easily avoided the fire of heavy guns with the help of manoeuvre. They could close in with a target and fire at it at practically point blank range. To put it in a nutshell, armoured boats were general purpose craft for warfare on rivers.

We felt a need for armoured boats already in the first few months of the war. Several factories received orders for such craft. But there were difficulties in providing them with gun turrets and armour. The need for tanks being extremely acute, this made it impossible to supply the Navy with Soviet-made armour. I repeatedly visited V.A. Malyshev who was in charge of tank production during the war. He would usually say:

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Fortunately for us, the FB ships can follow river waypoints, including the very wide Volga (if it ain't frozen).

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