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Gbucket
07-12-2004, 10:50 AM
Hey everyone,

as you may, or may not, know, patch 2.03 will not be released today as we found a bug in it that needs to be fixed so we had to pull it at the very last minute. However, patch 2.04 will be released in the next few days http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I did manage to get this changelog for the 2.03 patch and you can be assured all these changes, and more, will be in the 2.04 patch.

<ul><LI>Tweaked damage modelling for Il-2, Ju-88 and B-17.
<LI>Tweaked flight model for the Spitfire Mk. IX.
<LI>Modified DGEN and NGEN.
<LI>AI will check for friendly fire more thoroughly.
<LI>Replaced Spitfire ASI with new ASI with new graduations.
<LI>Moved attachment points for FAB-250s on B-25s.
<LI>Made throttle lever of Me-163 move smoothly.
<LI>Added bomb load variants to Hurricane Mk. IIb.
<LI>Reworked engine overheat for Spitfire Mk. IX.
<LI>Tuned the maximal RPM for Brewster Buffalo.
<LI>I-185 won't explode when propeller tips touch the ground.
<LI>Reduced tail wheel bump for some planes.
<LI>Fixed a floating tail light on TB-3 4M-34R.
<LI>Fixed a bug that could make Me-163's wheel cart to drop off the plane twice.
<LI>Fixed some spelling errors in game texts.
<LI>Removed fire extinguishers on P-38s.[/list]

Gbucket
07-12-2004, 10:50 AM
Hey everyone,

as you may, or may not, know, patch 2.03 will not be released today as we found a bug in it that needs to be fixed so we had to pull it at the very last minute. However, patch 2.04 will be released in the next few days http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I did manage to get this changelog for the 2.03 patch and you can be assured all these changes, and more, will be in the 2.04 patch.

<ul><LI>Tweaked damage modelling for Il-2, Ju-88 and B-17.
<LI>Tweaked flight model for the Spitfire Mk. IX.
<LI>Modified DGEN and NGEN.
<LI>AI will check for friendly fire more thoroughly.
<LI>Replaced Spitfire ASI with new ASI with new graduations.
<LI>Moved attachment points for FAB-250s on B-25s.
<LI>Made throttle lever of Me-163 move smoothly.
<LI>Added bomb load variants to Hurricane Mk. IIb.
<LI>Reworked engine overheat for Spitfire Mk. IX.
<LI>Tuned the maximal RPM for Brewster Buffalo.
<LI>I-185 won't explode when propeller tips touch the ground.
<LI>Reduced tail wheel bump for some planes.
<LI>Fixed a floating tail light on TB-3 4M-34R.
<LI>Fixed a bug that could make Me-163's wheel cart to drop off the plane twice.
<LI>Fixed some spelling errors in game texts.
<LI>Removed fire extinguishers on P-38s.[/list]

Capt._Tenneal
07-12-2004, 10:58 AM
So, it WAS supposed to be released today...ah well ! Go ahead correct that bug . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks for the update Razz. I wonder why they didn't keep the 2.03 designation, seeing as there hasn't been a leaked 2.03 ?

Gbucket
07-12-2004, 11:01 AM
Because the new patch isn't patch 2.03 :P

Basically, 2.02 was leaked, they've since made improvements to the patch to be released and named it 2.03. Now we've had to pull 2.03 as there was some problems and we're making more improvements to the patch so it's really 2.04 now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaFireLIV
07-12-2004, 11:30 AM
Excellent! Amazing how much faster things go when I spend a week or 2 away from the constant whining of the forums!

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BlakJakOfSpades
07-12-2004, 11:32 AM
nooooooooooo not my fire extinguishers!!!!! well as long as its accurate

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necrobaron
07-12-2004, 11:35 AM
Thanks for the update. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'm going to hate seeing the extinguishers on the P-38 go, though. However I realize certain varients didn't have them, so I guess this is a change for the best, for accuracy's sake. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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DuxCorvan
07-12-2004, 11:40 AM
"...all these changes, and more..."

Hum, this could be fantastic, or 'fartastic'... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Popey109
07-12-2004, 11:57 AM
Pleas tell more about the AND MORE! part http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

BS87
07-12-2004, 12:23 PM
You forgot 1.

.50s cals now converge to a point the size of a dime, and have the same power as the 75mm gun on the B25. This was done to aggrivate Norris and cause ivan to go insane locking new .50 threads.

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Dolemite-
07-12-2004, 12:35 PM
The P-38s had fire extinguishers?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Monty_Thrud
07-12-2004, 12:39 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gifDAGNAMIT!!...the amount of times i've been shot down in flames in my P38, and all along it had fire extinguisers...just to have them taken away from me...note to self...PAY-MORE-ATTENTION...still i'm looking forward to this patch....unporked Spit and Hurri-Bomber Thrud mode here i come...YIPPEE!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Extreme_One
07-12-2004, 12:43 PM
Does anyone know what's going to be in 2.05?



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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-12-2004, 01:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
Does anyone know what's going to be in 2.05?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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easymo
07-12-2004, 01:15 PM
Well, as long as they got those spelling errors fixed.

You would have upstanding pilots everywhere getting the cheater label and whatever comes with it. Even if 80% of the accusers were right, this would be unnacceptable.
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tsisqua
07-12-2004, 01:17 PM
Thanks, Ubirazzhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

See, I knew that you were lurking here for some reason. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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1.JaVA_Razer
07-12-2004, 01:25 PM
NOoooooooooooooooooooo


the fire extinghuisers.....

Dammit :s
Will this be only for 1 variant of for both the varianst?

BTW any news on new aircraft http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif?

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woofiedog
07-12-2004, 01:43 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif No Maps... No Bombers... Oh well I guess I was Wishing a little to much.
But all in all it sounds Good.
Thank's UbiRazz for the Update. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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hotspace
07-12-2004, 01:54 PM
And I've just translated all this from the German Site in another Thread http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif

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Amanda_Hugnkiss
07-12-2004, 02:07 PM
Please define the word few? I know it is more than two, because that is a couple. So a few would be more than two but less than what... 32. It has already been more than a "few" days since you posted the "few" days post. How about making daily updates until the patch is actually released.

ASH at S-MART
07-12-2004, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UbiRazz:
+ Made throttle lever of Me-163 move smoothly.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Wasnt that from the last update? Eitherway.. I noticed there is no mention of the Me163 onlie WARP problem being addressed... Care to coment?

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Sharpe26
07-12-2004, 03:00 PM
hmm looks like a lessons learned from Lomac this update.

DuxCorvan
07-12-2004, 03:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
Does anyone know what's going to be in 2.05?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't know, but in 2.06 we'll use sticks and stones... (Duxbert Corvanstein, 2004) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

_VR_ScorpionWorm
07-12-2004, 04:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
Does anyone know what's going to be in 2.05?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't know, but in 2.06 we'll use sticks and stones... (Duxbert Corvanstein, 2004) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Slight modification on Einstien's quote, nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Lets hope 2.05 contains the aircraft being worked on if they get approved.

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ASM 1
07-12-2004, 04:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BS87:
You forgot 1.

.50s cals now converge to a point the size of a dime, and have the same power as the 75mm gun on the B25. This was done to aggrivate Norris and cause ivan to go insane locking new .50 threads.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Nice Info Ubirazz, thanks for sharing. At this rate we will be at patch 3.0 by next month http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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heywooood
07-12-2004, 05:23 PM
'Razz... Thanks for letting us know how close we were... really.

It can't be much longer and everyone is so restless... just look at the recent threads to know it. Its like almost cannibal season..I think Dux might already have tried the 'liver'... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif



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Capt._Tenneal
07-12-2004, 06:20 PM
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Somebody said liver...?

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heywooood
07-12-2004, 06:30 PM
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Atomic_Marten
07-12-2004, 06:43 PM
And finally we got a word from authorities about our infamous patch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Flying_Merkava
07-12-2004, 09:11 PM
Wait so no news if any change on the M2's?

WWScout
07-12-2004, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flying_Merkava:
Wait so no news if any change on the M2's?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, there's a change. They are worse. Seems our propaganda films were very good and in real life they were actually shotguns. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BennyMoore
07-12-2004, 11:32 PM
Pancore Jackhammers on all United States aircraft... Save me!

alarmer
07-13-2004, 12:05 AM
Throw in a FW190 fuel leak fix while your at it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JZG-Pedro
07-13-2004, 12:15 AM
No change on P-51's low speed handling and sustained climb characteristics??

no change of spitfire's sustained climb rate?

no change on A8's self-sealing tanks that dont seal?

Flying_Merkava
07-13-2004, 01:05 AM
"Yea, there's a change. They are worse."
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c-ber3
07-13-2004, 01:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UbiRazz:


&lt;ul&gt;+ Tweaked damage modelling for Il-2, Ju-88 and B-17.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tweaked damage moddelling for Il-2?!?! How long has this aircraft been in the game? And they still haven't got it right?!?

Feathered_IV
07-13-2004, 03:09 AM
I wonder if the changelog is the only thing contained in the 2.03 patch (still gagging for a flyable P-36 and Ju88).

JirkaF
07-13-2004, 03:17 AM
AI will stop shooting me. Perfect. And in which patch will start react on my orders. For instance. Recently. AI started with landing. And there was no reaction on my orders to "attack fighters". There were enemy planes attacking them and me above airbase. Or we ale flying in formation. AI started with attack enemy without my order. In situation when enemy were not attack us. Or. I my number 2 is leaving my back very very frequently. In situations in which it is not necessary at all. And so on, so on ...

SeaFireLIV
07-13-2004, 04:52 AM
Many improvements need to be made to AI (although it`s quite good as it is). But please remember guys, AI will NEVER be intuitive, or sentient...

These days I get the impression that some kids expect a level of `artificial intelligence` that`s just not possible by a long shot.

JirkaF
07-13-2004, 05:17 AM
Sorry SeaFireLIV. But I mean that the little things.About which I wrote above are possible to repair. I am absoluttely sure than there are many more difficult situations during the mission. And AI behave perfectly.

Here is sample:
- AI will check for friendly fire more thoroughly.

When AI behave on enemy during flight. Why not during landing. Only they give me answer "YES" and they are continuing with landing. And of course. All of them are shooted. Maybe will be better the answer "NO...". The same situation is on the other side. Yesterday I shooted down 6 FW190 during their landing. Nobody of them did nothing against me. Funny.
Or. During flyght. When my AI start with attack without any order. And my order is "REJOIN". They behave on it correctly.

JirkaF
07-13-2004, 05:26 AM
My recommendation is. Read books about it. For instance Clostermann's. There are perfect examples where to start combat.

dhasdell
07-13-2004, 06:00 AM
No chance of the more common and prettier rounded fin on the Spitfire IX I suppose?

Rats! Why doesn't anything ever work first time?

DONB3397
07-13-2004, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dhasdell:
No chance of the more common and prettier rounded fin on the Spitfire IX I suppose?

Rats! Why doesn't anything ever work first time?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, 1C has it right. Only the first build of IX's had the "rounded" rudder. The larger area (pointed) rudder was introduced early in the production sequence to increase control surface area and remained that way.

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dhasdell
07-13-2004, 08:39 AM
Possibly, but remember many IX's were rebuilt V's. Just take a look in any reference book and see how rare pointy tails are compared with rounded.

Rats! Why doesn't anything ever work first time?

marmossel
07-13-2004, 11:46 AM
And WHERE's the damn Ju88 ?!!

RedDeth
07-13-2004, 11:47 AM
hmm...........

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TheGozr
07-13-2004, 01:07 PM
The Patch for servers should be ready as well right?

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DuxCorvan
07-13-2004, 01:57 PM
And here the new .50s. (Info kindly sent to Oleg by me): http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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VW-IceFire
07-13-2004, 01:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dhasdell:
No chance of the more common and prettier rounded fin on the Spitfire IX I suppose?

Rats! Why doesn't anything ever work first time?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, 1C has it right. Only the first build of IX's had the "rounded" rudder. The larger area (pointed) rudder was introduced early in the production sequence to increase control surface area and remained that way.

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A being breathing thoughtful breath,/A Traveller between life and death." -- Wordsworth
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They have it partly right. Most squadrons had a mix of pointed and rounded tail IX's by D-Day. It wasn't distributed evenly. I'm not bothered by it at all either since what we have was increasingly more common and certainly not an uncommon sight for IX's around D-Day. Earlie than that...probably not as much but certainly its not a killer to realism. The training colored roundels on them are more hurtful.

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dhasdell
07-13-2004, 03:12 PM
Agreed, and at least it is a IX, no question. But I stand by what I say - you won't see nearly as many pics of pointies as of roundies.

And I definitely agree about the markings.

Rats! Why doesn't anything ever work first time?

SeaFireLIV
07-14-2004, 02:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UbiRazz:
I did manage to get this changelog for the 2.03 patch and you can be assured all these changes, and more, will be in the 2.04 patch.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just for those of you who missed it. Notice the ` and more` bit? Who knows, maybe some SURPRISES await us!

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TheJoyStick
07-14-2004, 02:58 AM
Do I still get an MC202?

Sienikeitto
07-14-2004, 07:18 AM
I'd like to make missions, where I must sink an enemy ship WITHOUT any resistance. I don't want to sink my own ships so why don't you make two different white teams.

Example:

"White1" = Shoots at both blue and red teams
"White2" = Doesn't shoot anybody


Opinions?

Danschnell
07-14-2004, 11:52 AM
Yey. Official word on a release date from 1C!

The changes look good, and its good that something has been taken away for the sake of realism.

I have always wanted the B-17 and Ju88 damage models tweaking... and now they are being!!! That is so cool.

The thing I'm not happy about is the rumour about the .50 dispersion being tightened. I myself once whined I thought they spread too much, but I since changed my mind. The .50 are lethal already! If it was changed then the USA whiners will have guns unrealistically more powerful than everyone elses and that wouldn't be fair! Oleg himself thinks the original dispersion was realistic anyway, so I would hate for him to change it.

I think people didn't think they were hitting enough with their .50s because you can't visibly see many tracer rounds flashing off the enemies, but be sure lots of rounds do hit the enemies if you aim right. Online the .50s always seemed to tear me to shreds easily with the old dispersion!

TheGozr
07-14-2004, 12:00 PM
Patch 2.01---&gt; 2.02/ 2.02 (2) / 2.03 /2.04......

we passed so many that mean the next 2.04 will have new planes, server patch, great new stuffetc.. right..? plainty of time too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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t0n.
07-14-2004, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
USA whiners will have guns unrealistically more powerful than everyone elses and that wouldn't be fair!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*sigh*

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diabloblanco1
07-14-2004, 12:46 PM
I have no idea what has made anyone believe that .50 were not strong in WWII. All one would have to do is view actual gun cam footage of FW190's and BF109's being flamed by them. Wiley's site has quite a few actual shots of them in action. No question that they were more than adequate for the tasked charged. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Oleg seems to want to get it right. Now if the dispersion could be honed you would have a more accurate representation of the real thing. In the end, Oleg will decide what he thinks is best for his sim and we will accept it or stop playing. Civil discussion on this and other issues could be helpful. It certainly seemed to help in the P-47 role rate debate. Oleg changed it, once presented with overwhelming evidence. Then again nothing is perfect.

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Lucius_Esox
07-14-2004, 01:38 PM
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Tvrdi
07-14-2004, 03:29 PM
I only wonder why only fixes for allied planes...why not fixed axis planes....look at the poor (and very very old) damage model of Bf109,....all those axis bugs...gunsight dropping and all other funny little jokes..FW190 in FB is a joke...A8 in front of others...etc etc etc why? why? why?

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SeaFireLIV
07-14-2004, 06:50 PM
All I wish is that Oleg does what is closest to reality. And NOT what`s closest to the biggest whiner`s view of what he thinks is reality. Let us remember that facts and evidence is good, but also people can use TRUE facts that suit them while leaving OUT TRUE facts that don`t.

Oleg has to consider everything, he can`t just immediately alter something because of some guncam footage that someone has managed to dig up! It`s simply not that simple!

One piece of footage or one piece of someone`s recollection is not enough! ALL EVIDENCE/FACTS must be collected, examined, then put together in a fair and as UNBIASED manner as possible before one decide`s on a particular aircraft`s aspects.


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-HH- Beebop
07-14-2004, 08:36 PM
Hmmm......

No mention of maps.

I thought I heard that there would be a Murmansk map complete with the new Ian Boys airfields.

Hopefully that's part of the "...and more."

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Hawgdog
07-14-2004, 10:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by t0n.:
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USA whiners will have guns unrealistically more powerful than everyone elses and that wouldn't be fair!
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*sigh*

yeah, double "*sigh*"


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ploughman
07-15-2004, 01:53 AM
Too bad about the P-38's fire-extinguishers, getting a burning engine under control and getting home was alot of fun. But, if it never had them, well, it never had them.

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biggs222
07-15-2004, 04:00 AM
am i the only one that DOESNT know what this means?

"Replaced Spitfire ASI with new ASI with new graduations."

what the hell does that mean?

Maple_Tiger
07-15-2004, 04:51 AM
Astromical Systems Interpeter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Be sure.

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blairgowrie
07-15-2004, 05:21 AM
Maybe Air Speed Indicator.

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Strange_361st
07-15-2004, 10:24 AM
So is it two weeks yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Flying_Merkava
07-15-2004, 03:18 PM
What an efing tease. They shouldn't have even posted that they were going to release 2.03 on the 12th and took it back cause of a bug. I think they did it on purpose just to annoy us. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

IIJG69_Kartofe
07-16-2004, 02:52 AM
Yeah ... I's a big plot ...

1C Kills Kennedy for shure.

sapre
07-16-2004, 04:20 AM
This "few days" is about to pass...

Gbucket
07-16-2004, 05:08 AM
From what I understand, the patch is going through final testing right now so should be with us in a couple of working days.

Flying_Merkava
07-16-2004, 06:04 AM
LOL see I told you so. Now the new word is "couple." Working days excludes tomarrow and sunday. And "few days" means two weeks. So "couple" of days means atleast 3 days from monday. I say patch? what patch? I'm playing americas army. Alteast in that game there's a M82 .50 that has almost 100% accuracy 0% dispersion.

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dhasdell
07-16-2004, 06:19 AM
What if it gets leaked?

Rats! Why doesn't anything ever work first time?

Gbucket
07-16-2004, 08:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flying_Merkava:
LOL see I told you so. Now the new word is "couple." Working days excludes tomarrow and sunday. And "few days" means two weeks. So "couple" of days means atleast 3 days from monday.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Unfortunately I can't name specific dates, if I could I would, but if you take "couple" to mean "two" then you'll be fairly close http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

zyotich
07-16-2004, 09:49 AM
Uhhh...I haven't been here in a while, what happened to the 2.02 patch? I can't find it-did I miss something?

Gbucket
07-16-2004, 10:10 AM
The 2.02 patch was never released but the new 2.04 patch will include all changes that the 2.02 and 2.03 patch had in them.

VMF223_Anderson
07-16-2004, 01:20 PM
LOL, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Alexander_Seil
07-16-2004, 02:14 PM
That's a somewhat slim changelog for a "patch jump" like that. There really should be much more in that "much more" category. I hope so at least.

SeaFireLIV
07-16-2004, 02:43 PM
Careful, Ubirazz. These guys will have you certifying yourself if you try to answer all of them.

I hoped it would be today, but fine. I`ll go do something different for a while... I may be sometime....

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Bearcat99
07-16-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
I only wonder why only fixes for allied planes...why not fixed axis planes....look at the poor (and very very old) damage model of Bf109,....all those axis bugs...gunsight dropping and all other funny little jokes..FW190 in FB is a joke...A8 in front of others...etc etc etc why? why? why?
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You have GOT to be kidding... The 190 is one of THE toughest planes to shoot down.. online or off. it seems to take more damage than any other fighter in FB includiong the P-47. What do you want it to be invulnerable? it may not be what YOU think it should be but it is certainly far from a joke.

I know Oleg made thast staement about the 50s in that now locked thread. However... I think the 50s as they are now are more accuratew than they were. I have read several accounts of the 8 .50s on a P-47 sawing planes in half.... you dont see that in FB. The P-47 roll rate has been improved... and personally I think most of the planes are great. FYI I also fly the Me-109. I dont care for the 190 because it is a bit too much for me to handle. I guess with practice I could get it down but I figure why bother when there are so many other planes in the sim to choose from if it (the 190)has no sentimental value to me. I have found that in capable hands the 190 is an extremely potent weapon. In the hands of a skilled 190 pilot it is almost unbeatable.

BTW..... Thanks for the update Razz...

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IIJG69Kartofe
07-17-2004, 08:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
You have GOT to be kidding... The 190 is one of THE toughest planes to shoot down.. online or off. it seems to take more damage than any other fighter in FB includiong the P-47. What do you want it to be invulnerable? it may not be what YOU think it should be but it is certainly far from a joke<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exept one thing ... How do you combat W/o gunsight?

Even the .303 shooted from very far can destroy him W/O any hole apparent in the cockpit, this happens so mutch time to me i loose the count of them .
... Logical ... No ?

So with mag full of an incredible firepower and W/O gunsight FW is really a BIG JOKE.


And yes FW sructure is very tough ...
This is a JABO, don't forget it.
Germans aren't stupid enough to make jabos with papers planes.

SeaFireLIV
07-17-2004, 09:47 AM
Great now it`s getting turned into an `us vs them` again!

Can we not let at least ONE thread have PEACE?!

Tvrdi
07-17-2004, 06:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
I only wonder why only fixes for allied planes...why not fixed axis planes....look at the poor (and very very old) damage model of Bf109,....all those axis bugs...gunsight dropping and all other funny little jokes.._FW190 in FB is a joke_...A8 in front of others...etc etc etc why? why? why?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have GOT to be kidding... The 190 is one of THE toughest planes to shoot down.. online or off. it seems to take more damage than any other fighter in FB includiong the P-47. What do you want it to be invulnerable? it may not be what YOU think it should be but it is certainly far from a joke.

I know Oleg made thast staement about the 50s in that now locked thread. However... I think the 50s as they are now are more accuratew than they were. I have read several accounts of the 8 .50s on a P-47 sawing planes in half.... you dont see that in FB. The P-47 roll rate has been improved... and personally I think most of the planes are great. FYI I also fly the Me-109. I dont care for the 190 because it is a bit too much for me to handle. I guess with practice I could get it down but I figure why bother when there are so many other planes in the sim to choose from if it (the 190)has no sentimental value to me. I have found that in capable hands the 190 is an extremely potent weapon. In the hands of a skilled 190 pilot it is almost unbeatable.

BTW..... Thanks for the update Razz...

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Bear....i was talking about bf109 damage model not FW190....and when i was talking about FW190 i was thinkin (at first) how A8 acts..very heavy nose....almost unflyable...stalls like no other plane....however i know that LW planes werent good turners (thats what we have in FB and its right)...but it seams that all planes dives well (almost the same dive acc and speed)..and we all know that LW planes were fastest (spec in early war) and very good divers (best in BnZ-ing)...in game that advantage isnt present, and any Bf109 u can catch with no probs (thats for better gameplay i think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)....also i noticed some turbulence flying in bf109 (like im in f washmachine)..no such probs in allied planes...also u know that LW planes were quite durable even at high speeds (vvs werent, USAAF?)...where u can see that in FB? nowhere..btw, i was in VVS squad from 2001 to 2003......i felt the differencies...pilots in FB mostly flies (online)only for one side and they favourizes "their" side in FB forum..thats funny...historical facts we need implemented in the sim for better sim, thats why im posting this

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zenflyer
07-17-2004, 08:06 PM
So much for us the silent majority who respesct Oleg and 1c, who like myself have grew with this game from the start, to know we have to resort to commenting on some people's
1: whining=50 cal
2: those so called testers who could not be trusted
3: the a*** holes who actually thought they could get away with what they did ................ shame on them all

been following a lot of threads on many forums for quite some time now, and to be frank, I am shocked by most of the vitreol that I have read here. NO one is BLAMELESS you should ALL BE ASHAMED, and this is from a PRIEST, grow up and have respect for each others views. Plus this WHICH IS A MAJOR FACTOR IN ALL OF THESE SO CALLED DEBATES, Olegs game is his, quite a few of you have been calling for him to show his sources RIGHT NOW, STRAIGHT AWAY. For God's sake give the guy a break , he and his wife ahve just had a new born Baby, IT DOES NOT TAKE TO MUCH INTELIGILENGE TO SURMISE THE POOR GUY IS SHATTERED, as we say in BELFAST Northern Ireland, "Wise up, give the fella a break, ya know what I mean like....." But if I post this Knowing what I have been reading, it will not be heeded............

zenflyer
07-17-2004, 08:40 PM
Plus as well these, "EXPERTS", who most likely, like the vast majority of the pouplution of any country, no matter where, have never actually flown a plane, they are all to blame,.......... they then trade armchair "flight data" ...... it is beyond belief and belive me I'm Irish I grew up with fairies, don't tempt the supernatural ..... in IRELAND , anyway I'm straying way of the point the point one is tying to make is that this game is a simulation of the many factors that ..........
1 make war


and



2nd the many variables that go into the said outcome ......... and that is in this games most basic level.

kubanloewe
07-18-2004, 01:12 AM
Quotation Oleg Maddox: _Users were crying for non-realistic and non-historical and finally they got it...(01.07.04)

Oleg, you will convert this in the Patch 2.04 ?, make the Fun-Game to a Flight-Sim

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VVS-Manuc
07-18-2004, 04:04 AM
I hope Oleg decides, NOT to surrender to whiners and go back to a realistic flight sim and not to a Johnny Joystick Arcade shooter

SeaFireLIV
07-18-2004, 05:11 AM
I have made my point extremely clearly regarding Oleg`s quote mentioned above. I truly hope that 2.4 will return FB to a FLIGHT SIM. I also truly hope that Oleg will NEVER give in to unhistorical and unrealistic facts to please whiners. I truly hope he stays with the facts that his team he`s researched.

Of course if someone from here actually presents facts that makes Oleg change his mind freely- that convinces him to make a change, without the blackmail of PRESSURE WHINES, then that`s ok, too.

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Snyde-Dastardly
07-18-2004, 06:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I have made my point extremely clearly regarding Oleg`s quote mentioned above. I truly hope that 2.4 will return FB to a FLIGHT SIM. I also truly hope that Oleg will NEVER give in to unhistorical and unrealistic facts to please whiners. I truly hope he stays with the facts that his team he`s researched.

Of course if someone from here actually presents facts that makes Oleg change his mind freely- that convinces him to make a change, without the blackmail of PRESSURE WHINES, then that`s ok, too.

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I second that! Well said as allways SeaFire.
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Covino
07-18-2004, 08:46 AM
Seafire's sig says it all.

Do shutup.

RedDeth
07-18-2004, 11:52 AM
i also read olegs quote stating he would change the 50s due to whining. to a non accurate 50 cal. and everyone here believes him. you guys know he is just getting back at the whiners and the people that have different infor that n he does dont you? oleg will never change a thing due to people whining. look at the fw cockpit. ten times the whine and no one got thieir cheese. olegs a smart guy which means number one he knows what to say to get back at people and number two he wont do something he knows is innacurate.

oleg is changing the 50 because of overwhelming info given to him and hes said before he wouldnt change the 50 because he is right and everyone else is wrong. well oleg has an ego as we all know THAT is why he made the lamest statement in history that the only reason hes changing the 50 is due to whine and not accuracy. anyone that doesnt realize this is nieve. oleg isnt god. hes a russian game designer. please NOTE the difference

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Spectre-63
07-18-2004, 02:40 PM
I find some of the characterizations of Gibbage's research as "whining", "inaccurate information", having "no facts" very interesting...what I've yet to see is someone be able to come up with more convincing research that shows that it should NOT be the way Gibbage has described.

I tend to agree with your assessment, Red...this is Oleg covering his a$$.

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VMF513_Sandman
07-19-2004, 06:45 AM
some have said oleg considered reports of the 50's strength as 'propaganda'. but how can it be propaganda when a jug or a mustang is being filmed attacking a target and said target is obliterated or chewed into confetti in under 5 seconds? now being in a combat area, i highly doubt that the guy rolling film would radio the pilot "hey i got enough film, show em how we shred 88mm flack guns for the b-17 boy's". i'm more likely to think they told em to do what the pilots in nam did...."1 pass and haul ***".

what MIGHT help resolve the whole issue of the 50 is, have them fire how they would in real life. as is, all of the guns (50 cal equipped only) fire all at once. they didnt quite blaze all at once. ex: p-38's; top 2 guns fire 1st and stop while the next 2 guns fire, and repeat sequence when firing the weapons. same could be done with the wing guns. this would avoid barrel overheating (if that was modeled). in the case of 109's, if 'barrel overheat' was modeled, think that would really give the luftwaffe a hard time especially with the 108's. having an incendary or explosive tipped round cook off by a wing gas tank....oww that's gonna hurt.

SeaFireLIV
07-19-2004, 08:04 AM
Still no patch I see... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

Oh, but he did say a couple of WORKING days.

2 weeks then.

Capt._Tenneal
07-19-2004, 08:24 AM
SeaFire bring back your "backstabbing" sig. I liked it -- on par with an editorial cartoon in the newspapers. Very topical. And it was in an appropriately dark tone. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaFireLIV
07-19-2004, 10:43 AM
hmm, well, I`ve used it only sparingly cos it IS quite negative... I may use it more. Depends how things turn out....

CPS_Cygnus
07-19-2004, 02:38 PM
Hi All, First Post Here.
Please get this patch out as soon as is possible. Even if it means another patch in a month.
There are:
IL2 FB + 2.01
IL2 FB + AEP + 2.01 + 2.02 -2.02
IL2 FB + AEP + 2.01
and God knows what else in the same rooms.
Please for all that is Airworthy,
END

Vortex_uk
07-19-2004, 03:25 PM
No change for the Yak-3 FM? Is it gonna stay the same super fighter till the end,at the moment the Yak-3 can turn with no diffent with about 10 holes in a wing. All the other model Yaks i don't see anything wrong with them,its just the 3 version,if this is how they were in rl i don't see how LW shot them down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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marmossel
07-19-2004, 04:55 PM
Where are:

1) flayable Ju88 ?!!
2) flayable B17?!!
3) flayable B24?!!
4) flayable Typhoon?!!
5) flayable Tempest?!!
6) the other buzz bomb?!!
7) the other Spitfires?

Why should we wait for BoB in order to get them, as you know we'll buy BoB anyway?!!

Where are the fixes for the non listed a/c in object viewing part of IL2 FB?

Stanger_361st
07-19-2004, 06:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vortex_uk:
No change for the Yak-3 FM? Is it gonna stay the same super fighter till the end,at the moment the Yak-3 can turn with no diffent with about 10 holes in a wing. All the other model Yaks i don't see anything wrong with them,its just the 3 version,if this is how they were in rl i don't see how LW shot them down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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"We are not retreating, we are advancing in another direction. " ~ Gen. MacArthur<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Remember Virtual flying is somewhat different then in real life when tatics are used.
From what I read a lot of kills came from bouncing from higher altitudes, not starting Co E at same level like quick combat.
I am not saying that there is nothing wrong with the Yak FM, I dont Know. You cant make a broad statement from the two different enviroments to come to a conclusion for a FM. They might have used different tatics that are used in Dogfight rooms.

Gbucket
07-20-2004, 03:46 AM
Ooooh, we're getting close now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Flying_Merkava
07-20-2004, 04:12 AM
you having an orgasm? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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Gbucket
07-20-2004, 04:19 AM
Almost :P

Tvrdi
07-20-2004, 06:04 AM
Merkava http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

btw Razz its tommorow?

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KRISTORF
07-20-2004, 06:05 AM
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OOOOWWW you little teaser.

Strange_361st
07-20-2004, 08:43 AM
It hasn't been two weeks yet... or has it.. or is it 6 months?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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