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Charlie901
04-18-2004, 01:08 AM
This is an area that seriously needs revisiting.

With the tracking of projectiles and damage model in IL2 FB we could have one heck of an awesome sim on our hands. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Charlie901
04-18-2004, 01:08 AM
This is an area that seriously needs revisiting.

With the tracking of projectiles and damage model in IL2 FB we could have one heck of an awesome sim on our hands. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Luftwaffe_109
04-18-2004, 01:51 AM
I agree. With the sheer attention to detail and realism that IC Maddox puts into their sims, a tank sim would be great!

VVS-Manuc
04-18-2004, 02:53 AM
Yes...a sim in which an early T-34 can knock out the german "K√¬∂nigstiger" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

kubanloewe
04-18-2004, 02:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
Yes...a sim in which an early T-34 can knock out the german "K√¬∂nigstiger" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep, and gods own cal.50 for a Panther http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Finde den Feind und schiesse ihn ab alles andere ist Unsinn"
Rittmeister Freiherrr Manfred von Richthofen

airjunkie
04-18-2004, 03:11 AM
I saw one screen shot of that rts game oleg was making how is it comming

kubanloewe
04-18-2004, 03:20 AM
http://www.codemasters.de/wartimecommand/

here it is ....

"Finde den Feind und schiesse ihn ab alles andere ist Unsinn"
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ARSNL
04-18-2004, 05:26 AM
Thanks kubanloewe, saved me finding that link.

Been waiting for that one since the original name http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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PzKpfw
04-18-2004, 06:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
Yes...a sim in which an early T-34 can knock out the german "K√¬∂nigstiger" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just a note for all you German tank affiandos, K√¬∂nigstiger, was never an official designation of the Tiger B, it was never accepted either by the Panzertruppen or Waffenamt as an official designation.

The correct designation was/is Tiger Ausf.B. as accepted by the Inspekteur der Panzertruppen. The term K√¬∂nigstiger appears only once, & in an single official document, a January 1945 monthly production report from Speer's Office.

Regards, John Waters

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The one that gets you is the one that you'll never see.

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"The damn Jerries have stuck their heads in the meatgrinder, and I've got hold of the handle."

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. December 26, 1944.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

kubanloewe
04-18-2004, 07:05 AM
"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.[/QUOTE]


finest Tanks in the world ? ....he meant the Tommycooker or what ?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and ehm the first tiger officially named "SdKfz 181 Tiger" or PzKpfw VI and the King Tiger as Patton says PzKpfw VI/B

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whitetornado_1
04-18-2004, 09:32 AM
The best WWII tank sim I played was ''Panzer Commander''.With this engine it would be tankers heaven.Oh by the way I am still waiting for ''War time command'' 1c..hehehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PraetorHonoris
04-18-2004, 09:52 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PzKpfw:
Just a note for all you German tank affiandos, K√¬∂nigstiger, was never an official designation of the Tiger B, it was never accepted either by the Panzertruppen or Waffenamt as an official designation.

The correct designation was/is Tiger Ausf.B. as accepted by the Inspekteur der Panzertruppen. The term K√¬∂nigstiger appears only once, & in an single official document, a January 1945 monthly production report from Speer's Office.
[QUOTE]

Oh thanks, tell me a German, who does not use the term K√¬∂nigstiger. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif
BTW: my Grandfather said K√¬∂nigstiger and he was Panzermann.

A tank sim by Oleg Maddox, could be funny.

"Wir tragen die goldgelben Spiegel am Rock,
im Herzen die Treu' und die Ehre,
die Liebe zum Volk und den Glauben an Gott,
den Willen zur Waffe und Wehre."

609IAP_Recon
04-18-2004, 12:41 PM
that link is to a rts game, not a tank sim.

I would have prefered a tank sim over rts myself as well.

Imagine the same quality in a tank sim as in this game - wow.

Salute!

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crazyivan1970
04-18-2004, 01:04 PM
My dream too - tank sim. maybe one day.....

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PzKpfw
04-18-2004, 02:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kubanloewe:

and ehm the first tiger officially named "SdKfz 181 Tiger" or PzKpfw VI and the King Tiger as Patton says PzKpfw VI/B
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Kubanloewe:

The Tiger II was originaly designated Tiger H3 until 16.03.43, when Tiger II was used for the first time, in official document. The official designations for the Tiger II per *Wa Pruf 6 order dated 02.05.43 was:

Panzerkampfwagen Tiger 8.8cm Sd.Kfz.182 Ausf.B

Panzerbefehlswagen Tiger Sd.Kfz.267 und 268 Ausf. B.

Later docs also use:

Panzerkampfwagen Tiger II Sd.Kfz.182

These are the only designations officialy accepted by the Inspekteur der Panzertruppen for use in the training manuals etc, in the K.St.N tables, and by Waffenamt (Ordinance Department).

"SdKfz 181" refers to Panzerkampfwagen Tiger 8.8cm Sd.Kfz.181 Ausf E. Their has been some confusion over the years on the Sd.Kfz.(Special Vehichle)designations. Ie, many books list the Tiger E & Ausf.B, Sd.Kfz.# as Sd.Kfz.181 etc. But official docs Ie, K.St.N 1150e/1176e dated 05.03.43. state that Sd.Kkz.181 ='s Tiger 1, while Sd.Kfz. 182 ='s Asuf.B.

*Wa Pruf - Automotive Design Office under Heeres Waffenamt.


Regards, John Waters

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The one that gets you is the one that you'll never see.

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"The damn Jerries have stuck their heads in the meatgrinder, and I've got hold of the handle."

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. December 26, 1944.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

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[This message was edited by PzKpfw on Mon April 19 2004 at 05:16 AM.]

PzKpfw
04-18-2004, 02:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:


Oh thanks, tell me a German, who does not use the term K√¬∂nigstiger. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif
BTW: my Grandfather said K√¬∂nigstiger and he was Panzermann.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Your welcome Praetor. Why should i tell you this? my point was/is the designation K√¬∂nigstiger was never an official designation, that was it, and its rather clear in my original polst as well.

I never said troops etc did not use nicknames , Ie, German PzKpfw IV crews often referd to their tank as Rotbart der Hauchd√ľnne but you do not see this in any official docs etc.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

A tank sim by Oleg Maddox, could be funny.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why would it be funny?.

Regards, John Waters

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Notice: Spelling mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to make their life fulfilled.

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The one that gets you is the one that you'll never see.

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"The damn Jerries have stuck their heads in the meatgrinder, and I've got hold of the handle."

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. December 26, 1944.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

[This message was edited by PzKpfw on Sun April 18 2004 at 01:41 PM.]

JG7_Rall
04-18-2004, 02:30 PM
omg! I was just about to post this a few weeks ago but thought it might get deleted for being off topic...glad to know someone agrees with me!

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PraetorHonoris
04-18-2004, 02:44 PM
@ PzKpfw

you wrote: "it was never accepted either by the Panzertruppen"

Maybe your German is not good enough (or my English! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif), but you should know, that "Truppe" means the soldiers as whole and "Panzertruppen" all tank soldiers, who accepted the name K√¬∂nigstiger.

A tank sim by OM could be funny! I think I would have fun with it. That is why I said "funny".

"Wir tragen die goldgelben Spiegel am Rock,
im Herzen die Treu' und die Ehre,
die Liebe zum Volk und den Glauben an Gott,
den Willen zur Waffe und Wehre."

PzKpfw
04-18-2004, 02:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:

Maybe your German is not good enough (or my English! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif), but you should know, that "Truppe" means the soldiers as whole and "Panzertruppen" all tank soldiers, who accepted the name K√¬∂nigstiger.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes; in my original post I shortend the title by useing "Panzertruppen" instead of the full title: Inspekteur der Panzertruppen.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
A tank sim by OM could be funny! I think I would have fun with it. That is why I said "funny".
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok again must be a translation problem as I dont underswtand why its funny.

Regards, John Waters

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Notice: Spelling mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to make their life fulfilled.

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The one that gets you is the one that you'll never see.

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"The damn Jerries have stuck their heads in the meatgrinder, and I've got hold of the handle."

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. December 26, 1944.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

KrasniyYastreb
04-18-2004, 03:40 PM
I suggest the Wehrmachtwhining as well as the Shermanwhining start now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Call_me_Kanno
04-18-2004, 06:25 PM
Those screenshots look really great but what is a rts game.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Charlie901
04-19-2004, 11:29 AM
BUMP for OLEG!

faustnik
04-19-2004, 12:48 PM
Oleg,

If you are considering a tank sim, I can get access to a T-34/76, T-35/85, Su-100, Js-3, Hetzer, Stug IIIG, Chruchill, M4s, M3s and a few others for interior video or shots.
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/Sherman.jpg

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CWoS FB forum. More Cheese, Less Whine. (http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25)

Tooz_69GIAP
04-20-2004, 02:41 AM
RTS = Real Time Simulation

Games like the Total War series, Age of Empires, and things like that are RTS's.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Blutarski2004
04-20-2004, 10:43 AM
Oh great!

Then we can leave behind Bf109 FM's and begin endless arguments about .....

muzzle velocities, AP projectile performance at different obliquities, the merits of capped versus uncapped projectiles, real armor thicknesses and production inequalities, the behavior and relative qualities of homogeneous versus face hardened plates, spalling, the demerits of rivetted construction, striking energies, is it really possible to disable a Tiger tank with smoke or phosphorus rounds, the merits of three versus four versus five man crews, German versus Russian versus American tank optics, platoon and company tactics, why early war Russian tank units could not possibly have been as bad as German reports described them, why early war Russian tank units could not possibly have been as good as the Russians claim them to have been, why the Sherman could not have / must have been a great tank, what were the differences between a 17-pounder, a 77mm, a 76mm, and 3-inch tank/anti-tank guns, whether gyro-stabilization was or was not a great aid to gunnery, the efficiency of AM versus FM radio versus flags out the open hatch communications, the limits of visibility when buttoned up, why low ground pressure does not simply equate to good cross country mobility, crew fatigue, reliability, .....

It ought to be worth a good five years of controversy and flame wars.

BLUTARSKI

AnaK774
04-20-2004, 10:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
Oh great!



It ought to be worth a good five years of controversy and flame wars.

BLUTARSKI

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Dang... sounds nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
When can we start? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

PzKpfw
04-20-2004, 11:37 AM
ROFL Blurt, ya hit it right on the head http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Or we could just send everyone to CMs forums where all this has been hashed out for years http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif...

Regards, John Waters

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Notice: Spelling mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to make their life fulfilled.

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The one that gets you is the one that you'll never see.

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"The damn Jerries have stuck their heads in the meatgrinder, and I've got hold of the handle."

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. December 26, 1944.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

GK.
04-20-2004, 05:30 PM
not many people buy flight sims, even fewer buy tank sims.

http://data.photodump.com/gk/shidensig.jpg
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"P40's can't out run the zero, so we'll have to outfly them." -Ben Affleck

owlwatcher
04-21-2004, 07:36 AM
Would be a nice "addons "to include a ground game and a fleet game.
Letting them inter act with each addon having the best of its own.
Would make campaigns really come alive.

GUNCAM
04-21-2004, 01:19 PM
A Tank Sim by OLEG would be a very cool thing i would buy for sure !

Charlie901
04-21-2004, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GK.:
not many people buy flight sims, even fewer buy tank sims.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I don't necessarily agree. A tank sim could be much more user friendly than a A/C sim. Hence:

No complicated learning curve like learning to fly.

No joystick/throttle needed. Keyboard and mouse would work just fine.

Could use a simplified arcade mode.

Could play on lower spec systems than a CFS.



I think a lot of people would love to drive around in a tank and blow stuff up. Hence it would possibly appeal to a lot more people.

ImpStarDuece
04-21-2004, 08:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
Oh great!

Then we can leave behind Bf109 FM's and begin endless arguments about .....

muzzle velocities, AP projectile performance at different obliquities, the merits of capped versus uncapped projectiles, real armor thicknesses and production inequalities, the behavior and relative qualities of homogeneous versus face hardened plates, spalling, the demerits of rivetted construction, striking energies, is it really possible to disable a Tiger tank with smoke or phosphorus rounds, the merits of three versus four versus five man crews, German versus Russian versus American tank optics, platoon and company tactics, why early war Russian tank units could not possibly have been as bad as German reports described them, why early war Russian tank units could not possibly have been as good as the Russians claim them to have been, why the Sherman could not have / must have been a great tank, what were the differences between a 17-pounder, a 77mm, a 76mm, and 3-inch tank/anti-tank guns, whether gyro-stabilization was or was not a great aid to gunnery, the efficiency of AM versus FM radio versus flags out the open hatch communications, the limits of visibility when buttoned up, why low ground pressure does not simply equate to good cross country mobility, crew fatigue, reliability, .....

It ought to be worth a good five years of controversy and flame wars.

BLUTARSKI

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You dont happen to post at tank-net.org do you?
And i though thing got heated in here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The 76 mm HVAP thread there just got past 400 posts.
Sure it doesn't get past the 650 odd of the p-38 posts in ORR but imagine the carnage if just 10% of the people who post here posted ther as well!

"There's no such thing as gravity, the earth sucks!"

PzKpfw
04-21-2004, 09:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:

You dont happen to post at tank-net.org do you?
And i though thing got heated in here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The 76 mm HVAP thread there just got past 400 posts.
Sure it doesn't get past the 650 odd of the p-38 posts in ORR but imagine the carnage if just 10% of the people who post here posted ther as well!

"There's no such thing as gravity, the earth sucks!"

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Welp, never expected to see Tanker's forums get mentioned here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Great crew over their over the years, though lotta the old gang never seems to post anymore.

Now if you think that 76mm APCR-T thread is bad, you shoulda seen the old Soviet export vs Soviet in service armor threads those were the days http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.


Regards, John Waters

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Notice: Spelling mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to make their life fulfilled.

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The one that gets you is the one that you'll never see.

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"The damn Jerries have stuck their heads in the meatgrinder, and I've got hold of the handle."

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. December 26, 1944.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

Blutarski2004
04-22-2004, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
You dont happen to post at tank-net.org do you?
And i though thing got heated in here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The 76 mm HVAP thread there just got past 400 posts.
Sure it doesn't get past the 650 odd of the p-38 posts in ORR but imagine the carnage if just 10% of the people who post here posted ther as well!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

..... I must admit that I have not had the pleasure of participating on that forum. From your descriptions of it, it sounds equally as intense as this neighborhood. Out of curiosity, has there been any discussion there regarding optics? It's one of my pet interests.

BLUTARSKI

PzKpfw
04-22-2004, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blutarski2004:


..... I must admit that I have not had the pleasure of participating on that forum. From your descriptions of it, it sounds equally as intense as this neighborhood. Out of curiosity, has there been any discussion there regarding optics? It's one of my pet interests.

BLUTARSKI

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The mother of all WW2 optics threads was back in 2001 IIRC, on the CM boards http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Their were past discussions on Tanker's IIRC concerning modren FCS, includeing optics on M1's, T-64, T-72, T-80 etc.

Grogs generaly tend to be even more AR then FS'ers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Regards, John Waters

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Notice: Spelling mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to make their life fulfilled.

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The one that gets you is the one that you'll never see.

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"The damn Jerries have stuck their heads in the meatgrinder, and I've got hold of the handle."

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. December 26, 1944.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

Gershy
04-23-2004, 01:47 AM
hmm Oleg and a tank sim.....just imagine the flashes when you shoot with the 8.8 on the tiger.....you'd be sitting in front of your screen half blind for several minutes.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
04-23-2004, 03:09 AM
Nice Idea and would love to see it although I think the practicality of ground based armoured combat might be more complex to code than you might at first think. For example infantry and air support would have to play a large part as well as the various ground based support vehicles involved. Also terrain would need a pretty full on graphics engine to simulate mud trenches snow rain and all the other conditions that are very pertinant to this form of combat. Still with all the advances made in the gaming comunity of late I daresay we will see it some day. Just please dont make it anything like battle front 1942 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

TC_PVT_Roger
04-23-2004, 04:21 AM
RTS=Real Time Strategy

WhiskeyRiver
04-23-2004, 07:28 PM
You would probably need one of the Tirpitz's main guns to kill a T-34 or IS-2.

I can see it now.."you is wrong. In secret Russian test data the 88mm couldn't penetrate Soviet tanks at more than 100m."

To kill me you've got to hit the heart Ramon--Clint Eastwood

PzKpfw
04-23-2004, 07:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhiskeyRiver:
You would probably need one of the Tirpitz's main guns to kill a T-34 or IS-2.

I can see it now.."you is wrong. In secret Russian test data the 88mm couldn't penetrate Soviet tanks at more than 100m."

To kill me you've got to hit the heart Ramon--Clint Eastwood<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL Whiskey. Actualy the Soviets were very open on their tanks vulnerability to the Grerman 7.5cm & 8.8cm lang guns.

Ie, the Soviets did extensive studies during the war on defeat ranges Ie, an Soviet study showed that from 1943-1944 4.4% of all Soviet tank losses were knocked out ranges greater than 1200m, by 7.5cm lang fire, and 10.8% were at a ranges greater than 1200m by 8.8cm lang fire.

Another Soviet study from 1944 showed that over 60% of all tanks KO'd were by turret front penetrations. This study led directly to the design of the IS-3 turret which was designed to be defeat the 8.8cm KwK.43 L/71, whereas the IS-2s turret & frontal armor had been designed to defeat the 7.5cm Kwk.40 which was the most common Germnan AT & tank gun at the time.

Their is no big mystery concerning Soviet tank capabilities etc as with the lesser known aviation side.

Regards, John Waters

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Notice: Spelling mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to make their life fulfilled.

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The one that gets you is the one that you'll never see.

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"The damn Jerries have stuck their heads in the meatgrinder, and I've got hold of the handle."

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. December 26, 1944.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

[This message was edited by PzKpfw on Fri April 23 2004 at 07:08 PM.]

JG6_Oddball
04-24-2004, 10:42 PM
here is some good reading http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/tiger.htm

"Tiger I was armed with powerful 88mm gun (originally developed from 88mm Flak 36 L/56 gun) that made it a very dangerous opponent for any Allied tank, and its thick (but not shot deflecting) armor made it virtually indestructible. Both Sherman with 76mm gun and T-34/85 stood a chance against Tiger only at close range. It is reported that in July of 1944, commander of 3rd company of schwere Panzer Abteilung 506, Captain Wakker, destroyed Soviet T-34 at the range of 3900 meters. The rule applied by the British concerning the engagement of Tigers was that five Shermans were needed to destroy a single Tiger, but only one Sherman was to return from the engagement. Tiger's only weak spot was its rear armor plate and its engine, which required continuous maintenance. During their combat service, Tigers destroyed large numbers of enemy tanks and other equipment, creating the myth of their invincibility and fearsome power - "Tiger-phobia". Tiger also had tremendous effect on morale of both German and Allied soldiers, German felt secure, while Allies thought that every German tank, especially late model PzKpfw IV was a Tiger ! "...and the T-34s and KVs eliminated hundreds of Tigers...", Russian Newspaper Article about Battle of Kursk, Novosti Press Agency, 1943."


"On July 7th of 1943, single Tiger tank commanded by SS-Oberscharfuehrer Franz Staudegger from 2nd Platoon of 13th Panzer Company of 1st SS Panzer Grenadier Division "LSSAH" engaged Soviet group of some 50 T-34 tanks around Psyolknee (southern sector of the Kursk salient). Staudegger used up his entire ammunition after destroying some 22 Soviet tanks, while the rest retreated. For his achievement, Franz Staudegger was awarded the Knight's Cross.

On August 8th of 1944, single Tiger commanded by SS-Unterscharfuehrer Willi Fey from the 1st Company of sSSPzAbt 102, engaged a British tank column destroying some 14 out of 15 Shermans, followed by one more later in the day using his last two rounds of ammunition. sSSPzAbt 102 lost all of its Tigers during fighting in Normandy but reported 227 Allied tanks destroyed during the period of 6 weeks. "


S!

Charlie901
04-26-2004, 07:27 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif BUMP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WhiskeyRiver
04-27-2004, 02:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PzKpfw:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhiskeyRiver:
You would probably need one of the Tirpitz's main guns to kill a T-34 or IS-2.

I can see it now.."you is wrong. In secret Russian test data the 88mm couldn't penetrate Soviet tanks at more than 100m."

To kill me you've got to hit the heart Ramon--Clint Eastwood<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL Whiskey. Actualy the Soviets were very open on their tanks vulnerability to the Grerman 7.5cm & 8.8cm lang guns.

Ie, the Soviets did extensive studies during the war on defeat ranges Ie, an Soviet study showed that from 1943-1944 4.4% of all Soviet tank losses were knocked out ranges greater than 1200m, by 7.5cm lang fire, and 10.8% were at a ranges greater than 1200m by 8.8cm lang fire.

Another Soviet study from 1944 showed that over 60% of all tanks KO'd were by turret front penetrations. This study led directly to the design of the IS-3 turret which was designed to be defeat the 8.8cm KwK.43 L/71, whereas the IS-2s turret & frontal armor had been designed to defeat the 7.5cm Kwk.40 which was the most common Germnan AT & tank gun at the time.

Their is no big mystery concerning Soviet tank capabilities etc as with the lesser known aviation side.

Regards, John Waters

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

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[This message was edited by PzKpfw on Fri April 23 2004 at 07:08 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

John,
A quick question. You strike me as a hardcore armor grognard. What, in your in opinion, is the best WW2 tank sim? I've always had a blast playing the first 2 Close Combat games although winning from Allied side is very difficult at times. I just wish I could aim and fire the guns myself.

TIA,
WhiskeyRiver

To kill me you've got to hit the heart Ramon--Clint Eastwood

Gryphonne
04-27-2004, 03:55 AM
The best WW2 tank "sim" is probably Combat Mission: Afrika Korps. Although by no means perfect it does portray the units far better than the CC series ever could.

The main difference in gameplay, between the CM and CC series, is that CM is turn based.

Regards,

Gryphon

Take a look to the sky just before you die, it's the last time you will!

apex.
04-27-2004, 06:23 AM
Yes please a tank sim.
The best wwii tank sim I know is "Panzer Elite".
Check out here:
http://www.wingssimulations.com/panzerelite.html

Would be great to have something similar again with IL2 or better game engine.

269GA-Veltro
04-27-2004, 07:16 AM
Bump!

Give me a Panther G please!

269GA~Veltro
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PzKpfw
04-27-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhiskeyRiver:

John,
A quick question. You strike me as a hardcore armor grognard. What, in your in opinion, is the best WW2 tank sim? I've always had a blast playing the first 2 Close Combat games although winning from Allied side is very difficult at times. I just wish I could aim and fire the guns myself.

TIA,
WhiskeyRiver
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Panzer Elite Whiskey, bar none.


BTW for those bringing up CMAK etc, those are not tank simulators, they are TAC level wargames.

Regards, John Waters

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"After 44 we called the new models the 'bumps', because every new model had another bump or hump on the fuselage, which naturally was particularly bad for the flight characteristics of the aircraft."

Walter Krupinski.
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"The damn Jerries have stuck their heads in the meatgrinder, and I've got hold of the handle."

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. December 26, 1944.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

Charlie901
04-28-2004, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gryphonne:
The best WW2 tank "sim" is probably Combat Mission: Afrika Korps. Although by no means perfect it does portray the units far better than the CC series ever could.

The main difference in gameplay, between the CM and CC series, is that CM is turn based.

Regards,

Gryphon

_Take a look to the sky just before you die, it's the last time you will!_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Although CMAK is a great tactical game it is not a tank sim.

And unfortunately Panzer Elite is no longer playable on current high end systems. The game runs in super warp mode...LOL....Cry..Cry...CRY http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Merkava_Mk4
04-28-2004, 06:29 PM
Arguably the best wwII tank sim or any tank sim in general is Panzer Elite. I finished the American and Russian campaign ( u need gold version of game I think) and it was awsome. On hard settings the game is so damn hard it's almost impossible. You can control a squad of 4 or was it 5 tanks at the same time. Everything is in full 3d, though the game is 4 years old the graphics are still bearable. Go buy it it's worth it if you can find it.
http://www.panzerelite.com/panzerelite.html
http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=325264&store=pcmall&source=pwbfroogle&adcampaign=email,pwbfroogle

Charlie901
04-30-2004, 08:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merkava_Mk4:
Arguably the best wwII tank sim or any tank sim in general is Panzer Elite. I finished the American and Russian campaign ( u need gold version of game I think) and it was awsome. On hard settings the game is so damn hard it's almost impossible. You can control a squad of 4 or was it 5 tanks at the same time. Everything is in full 3d, though the game is 4 years old the graphics are still bearable. Go buy it it's worth it if you can find it.
http://www.panzerelite.com/panzerelite.html
http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=325264&store=pcmall&source=pwbfroogle&adcampaign=email,pwbfroogle<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Any major problems running it on a HT system?

julien673
04-30-2004, 09:25 PM
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/germany/pzkpfw_vi_b_15.jpg

if i can have this little baby http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WereSnowleopard
04-30-2004, 09:26 PM
Very cool, but first of all, how can they find all interior of most tanks to be playable? Also most of early time with some KV-1 have to be destroy by anti-tank/flamethrower squad like you may see at action CMBB. It will be more likely to strategy game than simulation. Oleg already work on not-yet name strategy game and already show us great screenshots. Why not you go play CMBB to get idea that will be impossble to win war by "use only armor" simulation. Finally, EVERYONE will prefer take GERMAN side because of powerful PANTHER and TIGER so that will upset Oleg more!

Same thing if we want Oleg's Navy simulation...who want take Russian's side?
I should pay respect to Russian sailors' struggle with less fancy submaine, Patrol boat and small assult boats against strong enemy's navy. I have heard of "Knight of Sea" similation based on Russian fast boat as still in development.

Regards
Snowleopard

julien673
04-30-2004, 09:32 PM
dam...why my pictire didn t work ??

here the link
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/germany/pzkpfw_vi_b_15.jpg

PraetorHonoris
05-01-2004, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Finally, EVERYONE will prefer take GERMAN side because of powerful PANTHER and TIGER so that will upset Oleg more!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This refers only to a sim dealing with the western front.

The Russian had some great tanks too, although they did not reach the quality of the German tanks, nonetheless they could compete.

"Everyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of a soldier dying on the
battlefield will think hard before starting a war." - Reichskanzler von Bismarck

http://www.rkwetterau.de/assets/images/verdun_franz_helfen.jpg
Humanity

LEXX_Luthor
05-01-2004, 04:27 PM
With tank sim, Ju~87s dive on the simmer/simmerette. IL~2s too. Whining and Pulling of teeths.

LOL but Gershy is right, muzzle flash alone rules out Oleg doing a tank sim.

Wood armour of T~34, indestructable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

* (watch when Mosquito is releaced the wood jokes will be silenced forever) -- don't even *think* about it Erbriac, we can wait patiently for Mosquito for a long, looong time.



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Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Kurfurst__
05-01-2004, 06:12 PM
I found WW2 Online`s tank models by far the best, ie. handling of the tank, and driving it, also the ballistics and armor penetrations work very nice.

The only problems are:

a, They are not 100% real WW2 enviroment, ie. since its massive MP game, its burdened with gamespecific rules, and like bases to capture etc., and too little infantry and small scale engagements.
b, Only Early 1940-41 tankset can be used
c, Ugly textures of tanks

Give it a try, the offline version is for free at www.wwiionline.com (http://www.wwiionline.com)

Apart from that, the modelling is excellent, far above PE. The worst nightmare either manifests in a Matilda II, or a Flak 88 setting up on a hilltop, knocking out tanks with childish ease at extreme range - the typical 37mm gun in those early tincans cant give an answer at such range...

http://www.x-plane.org/users/isegrim/fat-furred%20tigerB.jpg

"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".
- Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

"One day a Tiger Royal got within 150 yards of my tanks and knocked me out. Five of our tanks opened up on him at ranges of 200 to 600 yards and got 5 or 6 hits on the front of the Tiger. They all just glanced off and the Tiger backed off and got away. If we had a tank like that Tiger, we would all be home today."
- Sgt. Clyde D. Brunson, US Army, Tank Commander, February 1945

Jettexas
05-01-2004, 08:36 PM
Great thread.Love the idea of a "Maddox" quality tank sim...(drool).but mulling this over it occurs to me that What is really needed is the "Holy Grail" of sims, a digital integrated battlefield that incorporates Three sims (Armor/Air/Naval-maybe even infantry forces too) of a quality that gains the respect of the sim community,(not FPS, not RTS) I talkin REAL good stuff here, not the arcade attempts that have been made so far... that can function independantly and be entertaining as standalone or offline titles but ARE linked for online play.
How much would you pay to be say ..a member of a tank squad online that can call in a friendly airstrike (comprised of other REAL humans)in realtime ....Complex? YOU BET-Technology ready ?...mmmm maybe not yet ..but soon.., but the company that does it first and does it right will become indescribably rich.
Probaly end up pay to play as there would have to be some sort of ongoing command and control running it all, but still if it was good enough......aww man.....the potential....
..
S!
Jett-

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CaptainGelo
05-02-2004, 02:26 AM
I would love a tank sim, where u can drive a tank, fire and all this yourself from Oleg, I want T-34!......plz plz plz

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Kurfurst__
05-02-2004, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jettexas:
Great thread.Love the idea of a "Maddox" quality tank sim...(drool).but mulling this over it occurs to me that What is really needed is the "Holy Grail" of sims, a digital integrated battlefield that incorporates Three sims (Armor/Air/Naval-maybe even infantry forces too) of a quality that gains the respect of the sim community,(not FPS, not RTS) I talkin REAL good stuff here, not the arcade attempts that have been made so far... that can function independantly and be entertaining as standalone or offline titles but ARE linked for online play.
How much would you pay to be say ..a member of a tank squad online that can call in a friendly airstrike (comprised of other REAL humans)in realtime ....Complex? YOU BET-Technology ready ?...mmmm maybe not yet ..but soon.., but the company that does it first and does it right will become indescribably rich.
Probaly end up pay to play as there would have to be some sort of ongoing command and control running it all, but still if it was good enough......aww man.....the potential....
..
S!
Jett-

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Just try out WW2Online, it`s basically what you have just described, it`s huge fun after you play it for a while... too bad Graphics are pretty basic though.

http://www.x-plane.org/users/isegrim/fat-furred%20tigerB.jpg

"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".
- Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

"One day a Tiger Royal got within 150 yards of my tanks and knocked me out. Five of our tanks opened up on him at ranges of 200 to 600 yards and got 5 or 6 hits on the front of the Tiger. They all just glanced off and the Tiger backed off and got away. If we had a tank like that Tiger, we would all be home today."
- Sgt. Clyde D. Brunson, US Army, Tank Commander, February 1945

Charlie901
05-03-2004, 08:43 PM
BUMPY

DarthBane_
05-04-2004, 07:14 AM
Taking into acount that this is by far the best flight sim on market, it would be great for this team do develop tank sim on similar base. In the future both (flight,tank,maybe even a ship sim) could be made as one product for 60 and more online players in one real ww2 battle simulator. Looking forward to it.

Charlie901
05-06-2004, 08:22 PM
Thing I don't like about WWII Online is the monthly subscription charge. And I think the graphics/physics enigine of IL2 FB is much better than WWII Online. Maybe I'll try it offline to have a look at the tank combat though.

Charlie901
05-11-2004, 10:53 PM
BUMP

Charlie901
05-15-2004, 11:11 PM
Another Shameless BUMP for Oleg http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

macker33
05-16-2004, 10:38 PM
It would have to be the greatest tank game ever made,with grass to hide in and stuff.panzer elite was a mess but panzer commander was fantastic,panzer commander 2 all the way.

jtasker
05-17-2004, 09:17 AM
Charlie901, do you happen to have a clean room full of servers and the monthly cost of the bandwidth WWIIOL uses each month? Not mention paying the development staff. I'm sure if you have those handy, they'd be more than willing to drop the monthly charge http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The monthly MMOP charge is simply the cost of maintaining the servers and the internet related charges plus the development team.. nothing more really.. Oleg has done the same thing with the "add ons" Basically combining a large amount third party work with a limited amount of in house resources using already developed code and development tools to sell a product all over again.

If you want a good thing to continue to be developed and grow, you need to pony up some cash one way or another..

Capt.England
05-24-2004, 03:55 AM
What about Operation Flashpoint?
Boats, tanks, infantry, and air all in one package. It's getting on abit now, but was good fun 2 years ago.

Charlie901
05-28-2004, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Taking into acount that this is by far the best flight sim on market, it would be great for this team do develop tank sim on similar base. In the future both (flight,tank,maybe even a ship sim) could be made as one product for 60 and more online players in one real ww2 battle simulator. Looking forward to it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DITTO!

macker33
05-31-2004, 06:33 PM
No singing dancing can do it all game,just a plain and simple tank game,I'm getting madder and madder everyday.

theres about 30 airplane games and about 5 tank games and half of them are no good,i really really need a good wwii tank game right about now,is that tank games are not cool or are too hard to make.60 playable tanks,anti tank guns hidding in the bushes,infantry,heavily defended positions,mines,panthers in the shadows and tigers on the prowl,machine gun fire bouncing of the turret,artillery going off all around,sneaking around the desert,snow and mud,forgotten battles a tank version,grass,trees and pillboxes.long range fire.

One of these day there will be a tank game to end all tank games.

Charlie901
06-01-2004, 06:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macker33:
No singing dancing can do it all game,just a plain and simple tank game,I'm getting madder and madder everyday.

theres about 30 airplane games and about 5 tank games and half of them are no good,i really really need a good wwii tank game right about now,is that tank games are not cool or are too hard to make.60 playable tanks,anti tank guns hidding in the bushes,infantry,heavily defended positions,mines,panthers in the shadows and tigers on the prowl,machine gun fire bouncing of the turret,artillery going off all around,sneaking around the desert,snow and mud,forgotten battles a tank version,grass,trees and pillboxes.long range fire.

One of these day there will be a tank game to end all tank games.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Stop your making me Drool all over my keyboard!

By the way, macker33, check out Steel Beasts II by Esims Games it looks excellent.

Although it only models modern tanks and Bradley FV's it is being used by many military's around the world, including the USA, as a training program for tanker's. Should be out late 2004 or early 2005.

macker33
06-01-2004, 06:45 PM
Much more of this and i'll have teethmarks all over mine.

jtasker
06-01-2004, 08:08 PM
Tank Sims are a small niche.. even smaller than Flight Sims.. However, a Sim on the level of excellence of IL2FB would be THE pinnacle of Tank Sims and while it might be a relatively small market, you'd get 100% of that small market..

IMHO if you want to do that and make money.. make a realistic FPS ground war game.. Focus on the GROUND action and make it outstanding.. leave aircraft out completely.. Planes bring in a new scope with serious issues (arena size etc.)

Quality infantry action, with a high degree of realism, combined with accurate tank modelling and gunnery and you'd sell a BOAT load of boxes..

And IF you want to sell a load of boxes, make it the ETO post D Day.. its the single most popular subject matter, with a high degree of customer knowledge and interest..and little if any reasonable competition at the moment.

Archangel2980
06-01-2004, 08:57 PM
BUMP

Charlie901
06-04-2004, 07:50 PM
BUMPY

Charlie901
06-07-2004, 07:59 PM
BUMP

BigganD
06-08-2004, 05:39 AM
He is making..but it is an RTS
http://www.codemasters.co.uk/wartimecommand http://www.codemasters.co.uk/games/uploadedimages/su100.jpg

"Get close .. when he fills the entire windscreen ... then you can't possibly miss." Erich Hartmann

BigganD
06-08-2004, 05:40 AM
http://www.codemasters.co.uk/wartimecommand
hehe i did somthing wrong up there

"Get close .. when he fills the entire windscreen ... then you can't possibly miss." Erich Hartmann

Gershy
06-08-2004, 10:26 AM
You know what would be nice. An add on for FB so we can drive the tanks in the game. Hehehe. would be great COOP missions. Some guys in the tanks and the rest in the planes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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So long.We wish you well.
You told us how you weren't afraid to die.
Well then, so long.Don't cry.
Or feel too down.
Not all martyrs see divinity.
But at least you tried.

Charlie901
06-09-2004, 11:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BigganD:
http://www.codemasters.co.uk/wartimecommand
hehe i did somthing wrong up there

"Get close .. when he fills the entire windscreen ... then you can't possibly miss." Erich Hartmann
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Looks great!

But he definately needs to make a WWII tank sim on par with the IL2 series. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WereSnowleopard
06-10-2004, 09:42 AM
I had asked for it before. More cool if have coop between plane and tank like between submarine and destroyer at silent hunter simulation.

One big problem...I am sure everyone prefer play German side due to Tiger/Tiger too deadly for one on one even go "dogfight" style online. I am not talk about superb gun but superb optic sight, better radio and more.

Cheers
Snowleopard

PzKpfw
06-10-2004, 11:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WereSnowleopard:
I had asked for it before. More cool if have coop between plane and tank like between submarine and destroyer at silent hunter simulation.

One big problem...I am sure everyone prefer play German side due to Tiger/Tiger too deadly for one on one even go "dogfight" style online. I am not talk about superb gun but superb optic sight, better radio and more.

Cheers
Snowleopard<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Panther, had optics as good as the PzKpfw VI, as did the PzKpfw IV. Soviet optics to had come along way from 1941, Ie, Grossdeutschland Tiger E reported being engaged at 3000m by IS-2's & watching their 8.8cm PzGr.39 fail vs the IS-2 frontal armor something they had never had occur before.

Regards, John Waters

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"After 44 we called the new models the 'bumps', because every new model had another bump or hump on the fuselage, which naturally was particularly bad for the flight characteristics of the aircraft."

Walter Krupinski: on the Bf 109...
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"The damn Jerries have stuck their heads in the meatgrinder, and I've got hold of the handle."

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. December 26, 1944.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

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For Americans war is almost all of the time a nuisance, and military skill is a luxury like Mah-Jongg. But when the issue is brought home to them, war becomes as important, for the necessary period, as business or sport. And it is hard to decide which is likely to be the more ominous for the Axis--an American decision that this is sport, or that it is business."
--D. W. Brogan, The American Character

Paul Roberts
06-10-2004, 06:39 PM
*bump*

I can't add my voice loudly enough! A dedicated tank sim by Oleg would be a world in itself. Imagine everything that Panzer Elite wanted to be, but done perfectly!

Personally, I'm not interested in interoperability with Oleg's flight sims. Tanks and planes function on such very different scales and terrains that the combination would be bound to disappoint one side or the other.

Charlie901
06-14-2004, 11:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paul Roberts:
*bump*

I can't add my voice loudly enough! A dedicated tank sim by Oleg would be a world in itself. Imagine everything that Panzer Elite wanted to be, but done perfectly!

Personally, I'm not interested in interoperability with Oleg's flight sims. Tanks and planes function on such very different scales and terrains that the combination would be bound to disappoint one side or the other.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



AMEN!!!

Charlie901
06-21-2004, 07:14 PM
BUMP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IL2-chuter
06-22-2004, 11:40 AM
As incomplete as Panzer Commander was and as frustrating as Panzer Elite could be, I loved'em. I am a helpless armor addict and I need a fix. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


Please??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Charlie901
07-18-2004, 07:10 PM
BUMP

TheJoyStick
07-18-2004, 08:35 PM
yeah.. Tank sim would be exceptionally cool.. Perhaps a modern one, too.

Charlie901
08-15-2004, 01:21 PM
Bump for Oleg

biggs222
08-15-2004, 01:30 PM
bump

its got my vote!

DarthBane_
08-15-2004, 05:49 PM
Bump Oleg man, somebodys gotta do it, it should be you, take few more employes it will pay out for shure and lead you to combined air/ground sim we all expect you to do one day.

NN_EnigmuS
08-16-2004, 05:36 AM
bump

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BigganD
08-16-2004, 10:36 AM
guys hes C1 is making an RTS game, lots of realism and nice grapichs, same game engine as il2fb http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif heres the link enjoy.. http://www.codemasters.co.uk/wartimecommand/
anyway i am a big fan of ww2 rts games =)

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crazyivan1970
08-16-2004, 11:00 AM
Wartime command due in September as they say. Should be interesting.

Doubt Oleg will do a tank sim, but you never know. I am a big fan of tank combat myself http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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faustnik
08-16-2004, 11:20 AM
I can get access to a T-34/76, T-34/85, Stug IIIG, Hetzer, M3, M4, Matilda MkII, Chruchill and a bunch of others if Oleg needs interior shots. It sure would be great to see 1C develope a tank sim.

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JG77Von_Hess
08-16-2004, 04:17 PM
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Well if he does, he should concider hirering this guy http://ofp.info/desertofp/

Hes the most skilled Texture maker ive ever seen.

julien673
08-16-2004, 04:36 PM
The last great tank sim... for me its was

1944:Across the Rhine


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Charlie901
08-16-2004, 10:30 PM
This is a genre that has been sorely skipped over (save Panzer Elite).

Wartime command looks great from a RTS standpoint, but I'm looking for the all but forgotten, WWII dedicated tank sim.

I know Oleg could do this one and make it the pinnicle of tank sims.

TheJackalx2k
08-16-2004, 11:52 PM
I'd love a tank sim from the makers of IL2.

I like modeling tanks hehe:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/J/a/Jackalx4/matilda2.jpg
My Matilda II. Ignore the tracks on it those aren't the proper ones. Just using existing ones that were ingame for now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Pvt_Roger
08-17-2004, 04:33 AM
Actually Wartime Commands release date has been pushed back to Summer 2005.

Charlie901
08-17-2004, 11:15 PM
Just use the Wartime command game engine for a dedicated tank sim and there you go!

Charlie901
08-23-2004, 11:53 PM
Let's get this Topic to 100 for Oleg too see!