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LEXX_Luthor
01-06-2004, 03:26 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>MiG-3 SPB for Zveno

The SPB composite dive bomber, also known as Zveno, consisted of a carrier aircraft TB-3 with two I-16 fighter armed with two 250 kg bombs each; the fighters were carried by the TB-3, then they were released for the final attack and they return back (hopefully) on their own or carried again by the TB-3; this allows to attack objectives by far beyond the range of an usual bomber (I think they mean "fighter").

An updated Zveno considered the use of a Pe-8 four-engine bomber and two MiG-3s with bombs.
The project was abandoned due to the heavy workload of the factories.

Estimated data:
total mass 33500 kg;
maximun speed with all the engines in action: 405-420 km/h;
Ceiling 8700-8900 m;
Flying range at 5,000 m: 1320-1450 km, with the fighters engines nourished (that's sweet) by the fuel of the bomber;
duration of flight about 5 hours. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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LEXX_Luthor
01-06-2004, 03:26 AM
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~ Under:: Development history...modified MiG-3s

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>MiG-3 SPB for Zveno

The SPB composite dive bomber, also known as Zveno, consisted of a carrier aircraft TB-3 with two I-16 fighter armed with two 250 kg bombs each; the fighters were carried by the TB-3, then they were released for the final attack and they return back (hopefully) on their own or carried again by the TB-3; this allows to attack objectives by far beyond the range of an usual bomber (I think they mean "fighter").

An updated Zveno considered the use of a Pe-8 four-engine bomber and two MiG-3s with bombs.
The project was abandoned due to the heavy workload of the factories.

Estimated data:
total mass 33500 kg;
maximun speed with all the engines in action: 405-420 km/h;
Ceiling 8700-8900 m;
Flying range at 5,000 m: 1320-1450 km, with the fighters engines nourished (that's sweet) by the fuel of the bomber;
duration of flight about 5 hours. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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ELEM
01-06-2004, 04:35 AM
The I-16's were never expected to re-attach to the Mothership. That was not possible.

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WUAF_Badsight
01-06-2004, 04:52 AM
thats a great link you put up lexx

ty

michapma
01-06-2004, 04:54 AM
That's a big fat party!

Thanks for this site. Just last night I was discussing the MiG-3 with two squadron mates. Our highest decorated pilot flew the MiGs pretty much exclusively in IL-2, and he's amazingly good in them. The question we were discussing last night is why in the world the Soviets built and used the MiG if it has poor performance, is so fragile and has light armament. I replied that it's meant as an interceptor (of bombers) more than a fighter. (Well what do I know, but it is a high-alt interceptor, even if that meant intercepting fighters as well.) Someone else added that it was built because the Soviets realized they would need a high-altitude interceptor, but they did leave the design and stopped manufacturing it in 1942.

The info provided at www.il2sturmovik.com (http://www.il2sturmovik.com) gives a lot more insight into the plane. One neat tidbit is, "The MiG-3 was employed on the fronts in 1941-1943 (in Bryanschina, Kuban, Moldavia and the Crimea). It was this very aircraft that the top Soviet ace Alexander I. Pokryshkin was flying when he gained his first victory by shooting down a Messerschmitt Bf-109E."

A cool quote from Pokryshkin on the site: "Under a skilful rider it rushed along like an arrow, but when you lost control you could end up beneath its hoofs."

Of course, when we say high altitude we probably don't mean 4000m. The il2 site mentions one advantage being "Good maneuverability at high altitudes (over 6,000m)." We were up there last night in Forgotten Skies in La-5s and Yak-1Bs trying to catch 109-G2s. What a laugh. The La-5 engine wanted to cut out at 7100m!

Here's the disadvantage that earns it its reputation as a "dog": "Insufficient maneuverability at low altitudes and long turn time at low altitudes (by Soviet Air Force standards)." Well, just compare it to the La-5 at 6000m. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Concerning the question of production, Oleg and crew provide us with this info under the MiG-3U: "The question concerning the recommencement of large-scale MiG-3 production was brought up at the end of 1942, however it was acknowledged inexpedient at a time when the large-scale production of Yak and La fighters was ever on the increase. All six aircraft constructed at the experimental plant were sent to the Kalininsky front where they operated without losses for a long time." Does this mean that there were only 6 MiG-3Us produced?? Info provided for the MiG-3ud, the most produced variant, is as follows: "The MiG-3 was adopted up until the end of the war and lingered on in some Air Force units for a long time after the war was over." So production stopped in 1942, but the fighter was apparently used and adopted throughout the war.

Mike

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LEXX_Luthor
01-06-2004, 05:01 AM
...adopted...

hehe interesting word. They kept them running by canibalizing others.

Did you see the Debate on that site about the colours of the wings on that winter 02? It seems they may be green not red wings, taken from another airplane still in summer cammo.

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michapma
01-06-2004, 10:13 AM
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But I'm more interested in tactics and learning to fly it effectively. Sorry...

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LeadSpitter_
01-06-2004, 01:53 PM
Some great profiles, I might have to makes some mig3 skins but definatly need to redo the panel lines

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LEXX_Luthor
01-06-2004, 02:10 PM
LeadSpitter:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I might have to makes some mig3 skins<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Cossack13
01-07-2004, 04:20 PM
The MiG section at that site has got to be my all-time favorite! Fantastic research!

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Aardvark892
01-07-2004, 07:10 PM
Lexx, thank you for that link! I'm a big MiG fan, and I really like the color plates.

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